Update: Shooting near an El Paso mall causes 'multiple fatalities'

[herding cats]

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Source: NBC

A shooting near a shopping mall in El Paso has resulted in multiple fatalities and other people being taken to local hospitals, law enforcement officials said.

El Paso police said at about 1 p.m. local time that there were multiple fatalities and several people taken to hospitals. Police also said one person is in custody and there was no imminent threat at that point.

Earlier Saturday, in several tweets, police urged people to stay away from the area near the Cielo Vista mall due to an "active shooter."







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Active shooter near an El Paso mall, police and FBI responding

An active shooter near the area of a shopping mall in El Paso is drawing a response from multiple law enforcement agencies, including the FBI.

NBC affiliate KTSM in El Paso reports that 18 people were shot inside a Walmart and that the extent of injuries is unknown.

The FBI and the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives responded to the scene to assist the El Paso Police Department.

In several tweets Saturday afternoon, police urged people to stay away from the area near the Cielo Vista mall due to an "active shooter."

Read more: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/active-shooter-near-el-paso-mall-police-responding-n1039001

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El Paso mall shooting: At least 19 people dead, 40 injured, suspect in custody, police say

At least 19 people are dead and 40 injured after a shooting Saturday near a shopping mall in El Paso, Texas, law enforcement officials said. One suspect, a 21-year-old man from the Dallas area, is in custody, law enforcement sources said.

Multiple law-enforcement sources say police have identified the suspected as Patrick Crusius.

A second person was also taken into custody by authorities, but it is not immediately known what role, if any, the person played in the shooting, sources familiar with the investigation told NBC News.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/active-shooter-near-el-paso-mall-police-responding-n1039001

EL PASO, Texas (KTSM) --

UPDATE: KTSM can confirm that 18 people were shot inside the Walmart. The extent of their injuries is unknown at this time.

El Paso Police and multiple other law enforcement agencies are responding to a shooting at the Walmart an active shooter situation.

Details are limited at this time.

https://www.ktsm.com/news/breaking-possible-active-shooter-at-walmart-near-cielo-vista-mall/

[div class"excerpt"]Mass Shooting at El Paso Walmart; Gunman 'Started Shooting Everyone, Aisle by Aisle,' Witness Says

EL PASO--A person entered a Walmart on Saturday morning and started shooting customers, according to two shoppers.

Miguel Rodriguez said he was was shopping for a toy for his 7-year-old son when he heard gunshots and ducked to the ground. He said a person "started shooting everyone, aisle by aisle, with rage."

[Maxheader]

1. Tis the season to go nuts...

wtf is goin on in this country...?

[LiberalArkie]

3. It is summer, remember when there used to be riots during the host summers.

Now it is just fruitcakes with big weapons.

[bdamomma]

78. Hate is

at full throttle. We are losing our moral compasses.

[marble falls]

2. We're headed for a record breaking year! Aren't guns swell!

[proud patriot]

4. el paso police confirm multiple shooters

via MSNBC just now

[herding cats]

7. This explains the confusion over the location if this holds up.

All those poor families...

[proud patriot]

5. 3 suspects in custody edit update just 1 in custody

via MSNBC

second edit it's back to 3 in custody ..CNN

[SunSeeker]

6. 18 people shot in El Paso Walmart. I guess Baltimore is not the world's most dangerous city today.

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Trump is invoking God's help...

Link to tweet

[Traildogbob]

16. But......

Trump is monitoring the situation.............at his golf resort............on our dime.........just another shit hole city. MAGA.

[Eugene]

8. "Multiple people were killed Saturday" per mayor's chief of staff.

Multiple people have been killed in a shooting in El Paso, Texas, a city official says

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/08/03/us/el-paso-shooting/index.html

[Bernardo de La Paz]

10. Media should use "Multiple people murdered with guns", not that weak "killed" and "shooting". . . nt

[Delphinus]

26. Absolutely.

They were MURDERED - not shot or killed. MURDERED.

[proud patriot]

9. Multiple fatalities

reporting from MSNBC

[Traildogbob]

11. That cost of freedom is skyrocketing

At least we are keeping MS 13 behind the wall. America is really Great.

[Vinca]

12. Just another day in the U.S.A.

[Beartracks]

13. This isn't the cost of freedom. It's a surcharge, or a tax.

The "convenience fee" of freedom.

=======

[blogslut]

14. Live stream from KTSM

https://www.ktsm.com/9-stream-ktsm/

I don't want to type the details again. I just can't.

[Botany]

15. I just can't read it right now California, Wisconsin, Texas, .....

My heart is heavy and breaking.

BTW Fuck the God Damn NRA

[Richard D]

17. Back to one suspect.

This is weird.

[demmiblue]

18. UPDATED: 1 to 3 in Custody, 18 or more dead in El Paso Walmart Mass Shooting

https://www.mediaite.com/tv/breaking-at-least-18-people-shot-or-injured-in-mass-shooting-at-el-paso-walmart/

WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH OUR COUNTRY? My fucking gawd.

Link to tweet

[herding cats]

19. Locally they're saying one 21 year old male in custody. nt

[demmiblue]

20. Thanks. I just turned on MSNBC to hear more.

How many lost lives are enough to do something about guns in this fucking country. FFS?!

[herding cats]

21. The NRA doesn't give a F'ck about these deaths.

It's all about the money for them.

A EPPD person told the local news 18 dead. Let's hope his info is wrong.

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

52. We live in a country of essentially unfettered gun ownership.

And until people stop defending that, nothing will change.

Along with the bullshit thoughts and prayers, there's the obligatory homage to "responsible" gun owners, who clearly would never perpetrate such horror. But that's as much crap as the thoughts and prayers. Again, as long as the NRA owns legislators, so long as supposedly reasonable people fight for background checks and registration, so long as anyone can buy a gun at a gun show or from a private citizen, these things will happen.

I refuse to get exercised about these slaughters any more. It's a routine occurrence, rather like the sun shining in Phoenix in the summer, or snow falling in Colorado in the winter.

[dhill926]

22. at what point are the fine people of this country....

going to rise up and say fuck the NRA, and vote in a majority of gun control candidates...you know...Democrats...

[Still In Wisconsin]

23. If only Texas had concealed carry, none of this would have happened.

You know, more good guys with guns. Wait, what?

Nevermind...

Thoughts and prayers...

[old guy]

25. Well said.

[KY_EnviroGuy]

24. Photo of one shooter...

Credit: KTSM.com
Link: https://www.ktsm.com/news/breaking-possible-active-shooter-at-walmart-near-cielo-vista-mall/

Note that he bothered to wear hearing and eye protection.

[herding cats]

31. It's nice to see he was thinking of his eye and ear health. 😡

It seems less likely he was trying for a suicide by cop after seeing that one.

[KY_EnviroGuy]

51. Strongly suggests he has used a gun range for practice.....

and possibly professional training.

[groundloop]

60. He was obviously a good guy with a gun.....

until he wasn't.

I'm just at a total loss to understand how "a well regulated militia" morphed into unrestricted ownership of mass murder weapons.

[KY_EnviroGuy]

61. K&R. Bingo!

A self-absorbed society constantly soaked in consumerism feeds this monster. We're no longer a culture of buying what we need but instead one that buys anything we want (or what the guy on TeeVee or social media tells us we need). Just put that automatic weapon of choice on your credit card!

Humanity previously turned to things like religion, meditation, and community to dispel fears but now people think they can just isolate and buy their fears away with lots of guns and ammo, security cameras and multiple bolts for the doors.

Our wealth and fear of losing things has stripped away the humility and grit we gained during the Great Depression and WWII.

Just some random thoughts.....

[Miigwech]

44. WTF ... earmuffs for noise reduction safety?

[IronLionZion]

27. Texas must be a very liberal state with no guns to defend themselves

oh wait...

[zooks]

29. A guy on CNN says he decided to save as many kids as he could instead

of pulling out his gun as he didnt want to shot by police as a possible suspect. Smart move on his part. The real possibility of getting shot by police underlines how stupid it is to carry a gun.

[Ilsa]

36. Ding! Saving kids is the best move. nt

[Recursion]

28. There used to be a week or so between random mass shootings

[Rebl2]

48. Not anymore sadly

[Kid Berwyn]

58. There used to never be mass shootings.

I remember.

[Dr Vegas]

30. why is the Talking Head on CBSN

keeps repeating "Gang Related Shooting" even after the police had walked back that statement?

[herding cats]

32. It fits their narrative and it's hard for them to let that go?

It was one person with a semi-auto rifle who went in to do as much harm to innocent people as he could. We don't know why yet.

[gibraltar72]

33. Actually it wasn't with rage. It was with gun.

[Ilsa]

34. CNN running cellphone video which tells us nothing.

The video is all over the place while the holder of the phone runs. I can't imagine starting up the video on my cell while I need to be getting away from a shooter.

[herding cats]

40. Be glad they're not showing the video of the Walmart parking lot after the shooting.

It was truly horrific.

[Ilsa]

42. I haven't seen it. Thanks for the warning. nt

[liberalmuse]

35. Yet another Trump radicalized white male terrorist.

This is sickening.

[Sapient Donkey]

39. Has information on the shooter been released, or is this an assumption?

[TexasBushwhacker]

59. His Twitter has pro-Trump rhetoric

https://mobile.twitter.com/outsider609

[Sapient Donkey]

62. Ahhh... Thanks for the info...

I didn't see it plastered all the over the place at the time. Which I am kinda glad and hope this piece of garbage is quickly forgotten as he rots in prison.

[TexasBushwhacker]

69. I also found a tweet that had his unconfirmed manifesto

He complains about immigrants and race mixing, but also complains about corporate America wanting more immigration, which is, of course, true.

[Sapient Donkey]

73. I unfortunately didn't follow my own advice to avoid everything about him

and I read his racist screed. Very disturbed and disgusting person. The writing really worries me. It doesn't come off as rambling word salad like some of the stuff we've seen. I fear it will resonate with others who have been indoctrinated in that world and who have further been emboldened by the similarly sounding rhetoric that has come from Trump and those around him. The way he is encouraging others to do the same is very worrisome. I've browsed forums like 8chan and whereas I used to think it was just trolls trying to be edgy with the intent to upset people by saying things with the most shock value. It's clear to me now that there are a lot of people on there who actually believe what they are saying. It's not what it was a 10 or 15 years ago. It's literally indoctrinating people to hate and act out violently. It's scary to think that he is outright encourages these same sorts of people to act out the same way he did.

I don't even know where to begin with stopping this, because I don't think you could really shut them down fully. At most you can make it more difficult to operate, but it would be like whack-a-mole. Also don't want to overcorrect in a way that can make it even worse.

[Bengus81]

67. Account suspended--that's the only thing that will piss Trump off

More Libural squashing of free speech.

[liberalmuse]

64. I read it in the news.

I wish it were an assumption.

[gademocrat7]

37. Tragic and senseless.

But this scene keeps happening in our country. Damn the murdering NRA.

[Historic NY]

38. Another day in America....

[bucolic_frolic]

41. Cornyn

Link to tweet

/photo/1

RESIGN!

[dhill926]

47. fuck your prayers Cornyn, you fucking asshole...

do something about this. So sick of it...

[Ilsa]

43. 22 victims taken to hospitals per CNN. nt

[bucolic_frolic]

45. Where is the good guy with a gun?

Texas told us they have these problems solved.

So they armed college campuses. When are they going to arm Walmart employees? Those checkouts need guns! By Texas logic anyway.

[duforsure]

46. Didn't gov. Greg Abbott complain in 2015

That Texas was #2 in gun sales to California?

[Rebl2]

49. Yes he

did. He said they need to step it up and become 1st—sickening.

[duforsure]

50. Wouldn't be surprised if this wasn't

Another deranged trump supported incited with hate and fear daily from putin's puppet.

[dalton99a]

57. +1

[bucolic_frolic]

54. To get Republicans' attention

America should stop shopping and stop spending, to the greatest extent possible.

Certainly people are becoming wary of going shopping at all.

[TexasBushwhacker]

55. The Trumplicans are already screaming HOAX and "false flag" n/t

[Sapient Donkey]

63. I literally just experienced that. At first I thought it was an attempt at macabre humor

but I am pretty sure that it's something they will run with. I was also disturbed by how when I informed them of the motives, they seemed more concerned about how this will make Trump look.

[bucolic_frolic]

56. I'm watching the police press conference

what a marvelous and well-trained officer. We must appreciate we have professional law enforcement and they do their best. Sure there are flaws in the system, but we still have constabulary forces that respond to defend public safety every day. It is something to build on if our political system will awaken.

[Politicub]

65. 20 Dead - According to New York Times

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/03/us/el-paso-walmart-shooting.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage

20 people were reported killed in the shooting

EL PASO — A gunman who opened fire at a shopping mall in El Paso on Saturday killed 20 people, according to Gov. Greg Abbott of Texas.

The police said that one suspect, a white male in his 20s, was in custody, and that the gunman had fired a rifle into the crowded store, sending panicked shoppers fleeing for their lives.

Several officials identified the gunman as Patrick Crusius, 21.

The gunfire on Saturday in El Paso began a few minutes before 11 a.m., in a popular commercial district near Cielo Vista Mall with scores of restaurants and stores that are often crowded on the weekends. The Walmart store, located near Hawkins Boulevard and Gateway Boulevard West a short distance from the mall, was packed at the time.

[herding cats]

66. Fuck Trump and the hate he's validated.

I just can't deal with this anymore.

[Politicub]

68. Trump has activated right-wing terrorism.

I understand what you are saying. I don't have words to describe how this feels. Twenty people who were out for a day of shopping are gone.

Our society is infected with a disease of hate.

[Cha]

70. I'm so sorry, herding cats.

[herding cats]

71. Thank you, Cha.

It's a horrible f'ing day.

[Cha]

72. :(

I cried when I read your OP.

[herding cats]

76. I cried during my postings.

Senseless loss of life all due to unwarranted hate validated by Trump.

















My friend still hasn't heard from her aunt. I despise Trump and the GOP for enabling him with a white hot passion!

[Cha]

77. I'm right there with you, cats..

And, I bet so much of America is too..

[Ahpook]

74. And the rubes are already running around the net...

saying its staged for a gun grab.

What does a parrot say? Squawk.....

On edit: Who in the fuck is going to go after their precious? That sloth in DC couldn't care less about this shooting or any gun reform.

[herding cats]

75. They were doing that 15 minutes in.

Set them straight and move on. Don't be drawn into their whataboitism, or their lies. Facts and move on. That's my method and I find it effective.

[nitpicker]

79. From DW

https://www.dw.com/en/us-many-killed-in-el-paso-mall-shooting/a-49881329

(snip)
Texas Governor Greg Abbott said Saturday that 20 people had been killed in a shooting at a shopping center in El Paso. "We as a state unite in support of the victims and their family members," Abbott told reporters, calling it "one of the deadliest days in Texas history."

El Paso Police Department Chief Greg Allen said 26 people had been wounded in the attack. A white 21-year-old male suspect has been arrested, according to police.

Police are investigating whether a racist tirade posted online shortly before the shooting was written by the suspect. In the post, the writer complains about an influx of Hispanics that they said would replace aging white workers.
(snip)

Most of the victims were shot at a Walmart near the Cielo Vista Mall, according to police. Gomez said the Walmart was "at capacity" with between 1,000 to 3,000 shoppers at the time of the shooting on Saturday afternoon.

Mexican President Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador said three Mexicans were among those killed, and six were among the wounded.
(snip)