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Judi Lynn

(160,527 posts)
Mon Aug 12, 2019, 11:38 AM Aug 2019

Barr cites 'failure' at NYC jail that held Epstein, says 'co-conspirators' should not rest easy

Source: CNN


By David Shortell, CNN

Updated 11:23 AM ET, Mon August 12, 2019

New Orleans (CNN)Attorney General William Barr said investigators are learning of "serious irregularities" at the New York jail where accused sex trafficker Jeffrey Epstein was found dead of an apparent suicide over the weekend.

"We are now learning of serious irregularities at this facility that are deeply concerning and demand a thorough investigation," Barr told a national policing conference in New Orleans on Monday morning.

Barr said he was "appalled" and "angry" to learn of the Metropolitan Correctional Center's "failure to adequately secure this prisoner."

Barr announced on Saturday that the FBI and the Justice Department's internal watchdog would investigate Epstein's death.

Read more: https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/12/politics/barr-new-york-jail-epstein/index.html?cid=web-alerts&nsid=33053543

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Barr cites 'failure' at NYC jail that held Epstein, says 'co-conspirators' should not rest easy (Original Post) Judi Lynn Aug 2019 OP
Why am I thinking of Captain Renault in Casablanca? Sanity Claws Aug 2019 #1
shocked Shocked! crazytown Aug 2019 #21
Yes!!!! dixiegrrrrl Aug 2019 #28
Look in the mirror asshole . . . Iliyah Aug 2019 #2
Is he channeling OJ? durablend Aug 2019 #7
Barr is Blowing Hot Air and Nothing More dlk Aug 2019 #3
Alibi construction underway empedocles Aug 2019 #4
I'm shocked, Shocked to find out there are "serious irregularities" njhoneybadger Aug 2019 #5
Barr protests too much. He more than likely LibDemAlways Aug 2019 #6
Dude, you got zero credibility. ZERO. CrispyQ Aug 2019 #8
Gotta admit he has brass hutzpah, tho. dixiegrrrrl Aug 2019 #32
Hahahahaha! nt Atticus Aug 2019 #9
Wait! Is this his way of discrediting SDNY folks, leading to dismissals of Trump investigators? machoneman Aug 2019 #10
That was my first thought as well ScratchCat Aug 2019 #16
I doubt SDNY will go down easy on this. JudyM Aug 2019 #19
If Trump fires SDNY prosecutors ScratchCat Aug 2019 #23
He did it, they did it, okay Barr..we will just add the guard did it, to the game of clue.. asiliveandbreathe Aug 2019 #11
Like Billy West said on Stephanie Miller this morning... Dave Starsky Aug 2019 #29
How long before we find out duforsure Aug 2019 #12
He's got the happy horseshit talking points down, doesn't he. Stall, mollify, lie, create an ancianita Aug 2019 #13
Barr will get to the bottom of Hillary and Bill. JohnnyRingo Aug 2019 #14
Slight problem: Nobody trusts you Mr. Barr William Seger Aug 2019 #15
The guy who sees everything coming bucolic_frolic Aug 2019 #17
Blame it on the Keystone Cops Snellius Aug 2019 #18
The spotlight is off Midnightwalk Aug 2019 #20
Barr actually meant "failure" the first time Zambero Aug 2019 #22
Sadly, an innocent Guard will probably be fired for negligence. Talitha Aug 2019 #24
It's like OJ looking for the real killers IronLionZion Aug 2019 #25
After he already had an attempt, they lessen the detention policy.... Historic NY Aug 2019 #26
Exactly - he wants to control the ahem, investigation, so he can be sure it doesn't tell the truth. lark Aug 2019 #27
Big surprise. The entire Trump administration and every right wing media outlet is jumping right on Nitram Aug 2019 #30
we all know that Barr is there to protect the President and to do his bidding. friend of m and j Aug 2019 #39
Oh Bent Bill, MCC is a Federal Facility EleanorR Aug 2019 #31
Barr could have ORDERED that Epstein be on suicide watch. yellowcanine Aug 2019 #33
It's not an "NYC" jail; it's a FEDERAL jail, not run by NY City but by Barr's DOJ! SunSeeker Aug 2019 #34
Wink, Wink...Nod, Nod Scalded Nun Aug 2019 #35
It's just a matter of time duforsure Aug 2019 #36
Barr is Spongebob Squarepants... dchill Aug 2019 #37
Such. Fucking. Bullshit. jpak Aug 2019 #38
If they roll up Turbineguy Aug 2019 #40
The worst Attorney General ever. BlueIdaho Aug 2019 #41

dlk

(11,561 posts)
3. Barr is Blowing Hot Air and Nothing More
Mon Aug 12, 2019, 11:41 AM
Aug 2019

He had the authority to protect Epstein and only need look in the mirror for culpability.

LibDemAlways

(15,139 posts)
6. Barr protests too much. He more than likely
Mon Aug 12, 2019, 11:42 AM
Aug 2019

gave the go ahead at Trump's behest to off Epstein, if, indeed, that's how it went down.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
32. Gotta admit he has brass hutzpah, tho.
Mon Aug 12, 2019, 02:39 PM
Aug 2019

Caught lying all over the place about Mueller, and still has the audacity to think he should be trusted.

machoneman

(4,006 posts)
10. Wait! Is this his way of discrediting SDNY folks, leading to dismissals of Trump investigators?
Mon Aug 12, 2019, 11:54 AM
Aug 2019

I wonder what nefarious acts Barr will now take to undermine or stop any Trump-related investigations even beyond the obvious Epstein stuff?

ScratchCat

(1,988 posts)
16. That was my first thought as well
Mon Aug 12, 2019, 12:23 PM
Aug 2019

Kind of "two birds with one stone". Epstein is out of the way and now they have "cause" to fire whoever they want from SDNY. I am surprised more people have't wondered about this. The first thing Epstein's attorney mentioned was "overzealous prosecutors demanding a man with no flight risk be jailed....". They are going to fire them even though they had nothing to do with his incarceration.

ScratchCat

(1,988 posts)
23. If Trump fires SDNY prosecutors
Mon Aug 12, 2019, 12:58 PM
Aug 2019

You wont hear a single wimper from one Republican because "the President has the authority" to do so.

I will be shocked if this isn't used as cause.

asiliveandbreathe

(8,203 posts)
11. He did it, they did it, okay Barr..we will just add the guard did it, to the game of clue..
Mon Aug 12, 2019, 12:06 PM
Aug 2019

We have the body, maybe, we have the weapon, maybe, we have the time of day, maybe, what is missing? - Play the game and find out...the ME should be able to give us another clue this week..although, this is Monday..been two days or three..good grief..
We just do not know..but, in most of the publications - guards overworked, guards understaffed..no one watching...cell by himself,.wait for it.....actual report still being put into the word salad mixer....

Dave Starsky

(5,914 posts)
29. Like Billy West said on Stephanie Miller this morning...
Mon Aug 12, 2019, 01:54 PM
Aug 2019

If this were an episode of Columbo, it would be two minutes long.

duforsure

(11,885 posts)
12. How long before we find out
Mon Aug 12, 2019, 12:08 PM
Aug 2019

Barr and others higher up we're very involved in having Epstein silenced? This was all planned out because they were scared Epstein was going to talk, and Barr trying to destroy documents and video's to protect them and Maybe Barr's dad and him. There should be loud calls for his resignation now.

ancianita

(36,053 posts)
13. He's got the happy horseshit talking points down, doesn't he. Stall, mollify, lie, create an
Mon Aug 12, 2019, 12:10 PM
Aug 2019

official story for history.

JohnnyRingo

(18,628 posts)
14. Barr will get to the bottom of Hillary and Bill.
Mon Aug 12, 2019, 12:17 PM
Aug 2019

Sure, it may have been neglect by the prison, but it's in New York and Barr knows they were at least near by.

That's basically what a conspiracy theorist Trump supporter told me about the Marc Rich suicide. "Hillary may not have done it, but she was there".

William Seger

(10,778 posts)
15. Slight problem: Nobody trusts you Mr. Barr
Mon Aug 12, 2019, 12:19 PM
Aug 2019

This is exactly why we need credible people with integrity in that position.

bucolic_frolic

(43,149 posts)
17. The guy who sees everything coming
Mon Aug 12, 2019, 12:24 PM
Aug 2019

didn't act to secure the highest profile prisoner in decades?

Barr is not believable here on this issue.

Snellius

(6,881 posts)
18. Blame it on the Keystone Cops
Mon Aug 12, 2019, 12:24 PM
Aug 2019

It was not a 'failure' at NYC jail. MCC is a federal detention facility, overseen by Federal Bureau of Prisons, a subdepartment of DOJ, i.e. AG, i.e. Barr.

Midnightwalk

(3,131 posts)
20. The spotlight is off
Mon Aug 12, 2019, 12:34 PM
Aug 2019

The biggest target for co-conspirator is Ghislaine Maxwell who hasn’t been charged and whose whereabouts aren’t known. We’ll see if anything comes of that.

I don’t see much more about the document dump. I flipped through some of it and saw Alan Dershowitz and Royal Palm Beach (mar a
Lago) in several places. Probably the most common location in the flight log.

Don’t trust that too much. I skimmed pretty quickly. Really just flipped to random places and skimmed quickly.

The discussion of the document dump would have gone on for days. Mar a lago, trump, but also many other rich and powerful people would have been in the news for months as the trial went on.

Epstein’s death was awfully convenient to people who didn’t want that spotlight regardless if he would have provided any more evidence.

Getting the document dump off the front page and not having a months long trial would have been very inconvenient to many people.

That’s really all I want to say, but since there is so much discussion on how he died I’ll give my half cent so it doesn’t look like I’m dodging.

There were plenty of people who wanted him gone including the guards who don’t like prisoners in general and despise child molesters. Providing him with means even by just taking him off suicide watch and then looking the other way would have been trivial. Killing him outright harder but I think still possible.

If I were a reporter or investigator I’d be pursuing that. Partly because that’s where my suspicions are, partly because the null hypothesis isn’t very interesting to pursue.

It was a race who got to him first. At a minimum I think he was assisted. I don’t believe he is alive. I don’t think anyone liked him that much and his living is too much a liability.

Talitha

(6,584 posts)
24. Sadly, an innocent Guard will probably be fired for negligence.
Mon Aug 12, 2019, 01:08 PM
Aug 2019

These big-wig crooks always make sure someone further down the food chain takes the fall.

Historic NY

(37,449 posts)
26. After he already had an attempt, they lessen the detention policy....
Mon Aug 12, 2019, 01:36 PM
Aug 2019

WTF is he kidding, Epstein was already suicidal. Conveniently that fact was exploited.

lark

(23,099 posts)
27. Exactly - he wants to control the ahem, investigation, so he can be sure it doesn't tell the truth.
Mon Aug 12, 2019, 01:44 PM
Aug 2019

Hmm, him going there just a few weeks before sure seems relevant, in that AG never do that. But he's really not acting as the AG of the USA, he's being drumpf/PUtin's fixer.

Nitram

(22,794 posts)
30. Big surprise. The entire Trump administration and every right wing media outlet is jumping right on
Mon Aug 12, 2019, 02:08 PM
Aug 2019

the Clinton conspiracy bandwagon. So predictable. Let's just hope it doesn't work this time.

friend of m and j

(220 posts)
39. we all know that Barr is there to protect the President and to do his bidding.
Mon Aug 12, 2019, 05:35 PM
Aug 2019

Bill and Hillary need to put on their armor because what would please the Donald more than the Clinton's being smeared by Barr's hand picked investigators coming up with "incontrovertible" evidence that the Clintons were involved in the Epstein "suicide" to cover up their involvement in the sex trafficking cabal.

I am sure that he will come up with evidence of other Donald's enemies that were also involved in Epstein's sex trafficking group. But nailing Bill and Hillary (even if he can't get a conviction as conspirators) he will probably have earned an appointment to the Supreme Court or the appointment as VP with expanded powers over DOJ. I don't know of any law that would prohibit him from serving as "Acting A/G " and VP at the same time. I am sure that Stephen Miller and Steve Bannon have it all mapped out.

EleanorR

(2,391 posts)
31. Oh Bent Bill, MCC is a Federal Facility
Mon Aug 12, 2019, 02:13 PM
Aug 2019

The Federal Bureau of Prisons falls under the Department of Justice, so the buck stops with you.

yellowcanine

(35,699 posts)
33. Barr could have ORDERED that Epstein be on suicide watch.
Mon Aug 12, 2019, 02:41 PM
Aug 2019

This outrage after the fact is bs. As AG hé is responsible. And there was a prior incident which should have alerted him that there were problems. At best Barr was negligent.

SunSeeker

(51,550 posts)
34. It's not an "NYC" jail; it's a FEDERAL jail, not run by NY City but by Barr's DOJ!
Mon Aug 12, 2019, 03:23 PM
Aug 2019

I am so sick of seeing this misstated.


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