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groundloop

(11,518 posts)
Thu Aug 15, 2019, 09:30 AM Aug 2019

Philadelphia suspected gunman in custody after hourslong standoff and six officers shot

Source: CBS News

A suspect is in custody in Philadelphia after an hourslong standoff and shootout that left six officers shot and another injured in a related vehicle crash, authorities said. Two officers and three other people who had been trapped in the building with the shooter were freed after several hours.

CBS Philadelphia says the suspect's lawyer told the station the suspect is 36-year-old Maurice Hill, though police haven't released his name. The alleged gunman surrendered shortly after midnight. Philadelphia Police Commissioner Richard Ross told reporters it was teargas that got the suspect to give up.

Hill wasn't injured in the shootout, according to the attorney, Shaka Johnson, who added that Hill was brought to a hospital to be checked out, then released with officers surrounding him overnight. Charges haven't been announced.


Police had initially responded around 5 p.m. on a narcotics warrant and things "went awry almost immediately," Ross said.

Read more: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/nicetown-philadelphia-shooting-suspect-in-custody-police-officers-shot-standoff-facebook-livestream-maurice-hill/

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Philadelphia suspected gunman in custody after hourslong standoff and six officers shot (Original Post) groundloop Aug 2019 OP
Suspect is un-injured. lagomorph777 Aug 2019 #1
My thought too. LiberalFighter Aug 2019 #2
No, he is AA PRETZEL Aug 2019 #4
Thanks - yes seems Philly PD did a good job! lagomorph777 Aug 2019 #5
This is the guy BumRushDaShow Aug 2019 #7
he isn't Skittles Aug 2019 #10
I want to know what sort of gun he had, and how he got it. Archae Aug 2019 #3
WaPo just published a column on this and how they expect this keeps happening BumRushDaShow Aug 2019 #6
This is Why RobinA Aug 2019 #8
"people ignore laws, so why bother?" maxsolomon Aug 2019 #9
"He probably never owned a legal weapon in his life" oneshooter Aug 2019 #11
Rap sheet Crabby Appleton Aug 2019 #12

PRETZEL

(3,245 posts)
4. No, he is AA
Thu Aug 15, 2019, 11:07 AM
Aug 2019

and the biggest reason he was un-injured is that the Philly PD waited him out. It wasn't until he was the only one in the house did the police use tear gas.

Watched it most of the night. The Philly PD needs to be given big props for the way they handled this.

As for the gun, I'm not for sure but I think I had heard it was some form of long rifle. But he is a convicted felon for weapons and narcotics violations. I'm sure he had underground connections in order to get the weapon.

BumRushDaShow

(128,905 posts)
6. WaPo just published a column on this and how they expect this keeps happening
Thu Aug 15, 2019, 12:26 PM
Aug 2019

Aside from the obvious "black market" and gun show loopholes (which I doubt gang members or drug dealers utilize directly although those who might sell to them probably do), you basically have a whole issue of "ghost guns" that are assembled from parts, most of which do not need to be registered.

The Daily 202: Police officers keep getting shot by people with criminal records who are not allowed to own guns

By James Hohmann
August 15 at 11:23 AM

THE BIG IDEA: The man who allegedly shot six police officers in Philadelphia before surrendering just after midnight, following a 7½-hour standoff that ended when tear gas was fired into his home, has a very long rap sheet that makes it a felony for him to possess a firearm. That clearly didn’t stop him. It is part of a pattern that underscores how difficult it is to curb the epidemic of gun violence, even when there is political will. Despite the laws that are already on the books, criminals find ways to acquire weapons without background checks — whether at lax stores, through the gun show loophole, via the Internet or on the black market. This is possible, in part, because it’s breathtakingly easy for most Americans to legally acquire guns. Nevertheless, it’s a challenge that policymakers must grapple with as they debate new forms of gun control.

A California highway patrolman was killed by a felon on Monday night, and two of his colleagues were badly wounded, during a gun battle after a traffic stop on the freeway in Riverside. The shooter used an AR-15 assault-style rifle without a serial number, which makes it untraceable, according to the Los Angeles Times. These “ghost guns” are assembled from parts that can be ordered by mail or obtained underground, and ATF reports that about a third of all firearms seized in California now are un-serialized. Agents expect this number to grow.

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-- The Riverside cop killer, Aaron Luther, previously pleaded guilty to attempted murder and two counts of burglary. He had also been convicted of unlawful possession of a firearm, as well as assault with a deadly weapon, spousal abuse, disturbing the peace, vandalism, battery and stalking. Luther was killed by police during an extended firefight on the 215 Freeway. Before he died, CHP Officer Andre Moye was able to return fire and radio for help. Luther’s father told KTLA that his son was a “desperate man.” His wife told the Riverside Press-Enterprise that he called her after he was pulled over and sounded panicked about going back to prison. Other family members said he had been battling depression.

-- Ghost guns like the one that Luther used can be legal for those who are allowed to own firearms, but Luther’s prior convictions barred him from owning weapons. “But California requires that anyone building a weapon apply for a unique serial number with the state’s Department of Justice and that number be put on the firearm,” today’s L.A. Times notes: “The weapon must comply with California’s laws governing firearms. Police gun experts say that those forbidden from purchasing a gun can still buy the partial lower receiver, known as an ‘80% lower,’ and then buy the other parts of the weapons. In 2013, John Zawahri killed five people in the Santa Monica area using an AR-15-style rifle, which he built from a partially manufactured lower receiver that did not have a serial number and therefore did not have to be registered. … A serial number is issued only to the lower receiver of a weapon. Some lawmakers in California are seeking to require a background check for all gun parts to stifle the trade-in ghost guns.”


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/paloma/daily-202/2019/08/15/daily-202-police-officers-keep-getting-shot-by-people-with-criminal-records-who-are-not-allowed-to-own-guns/5d54d17b88e0fa79e5482001/?wpisrc=nl_daily202&wpmm=1

RobinA

(9,888 posts)
8. This is Why
Thu Aug 15, 2019, 12:58 PM
Aug 2019

I have my doubts as to whether gun laws will solve the gun violence problem. And don't get me wrong, I am totally fine with increased gun laws. I just don't think they are going to make a huge difference. If we are lucky, Jr. won't be able to legally walk into Cabela's and buy the assault rifle he plans to use to shoot up WalMart, which would be a start. But this Philadelphia guy? He probably never owned a legal weapon in his life. His type of incident is not super common, but domestic violence, urban street violence and the like will be going on for a long, long time.

maxsolomon

(33,327 posts)
9. "people ignore laws, so why bother?"
Thu Aug 15, 2019, 07:50 PM
Aug 2019

murder's illegal. people still murder. probably not as many as would if it wasn't illegal.

reducing firearm deaths is the goal. "solving" is a binary red herring.

oneshooter

(8,614 posts)
11. "He probably never owned a legal weapon in his life"
Sun Aug 18, 2019, 11:30 AM
Aug 2019

Wrong, He probably never legally owned a weapon in his life.

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