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crazytown

(7,277 posts)
Tue Aug 20, 2019, 05:19 PM Aug 2019

Trump: Jews Voting for Democrats Show Lack of Knowledge or Great Disloyalty

Source: The Jerusalem Post

US President, Donald Trump, said Tuesday that Jews who vote for Democrats "shows either total lack of knowledge or great disloyalty."

Asked by reporters about the Ilhan Omar-Rashid Tlaib saga, the President slammed the two for suggesting to cut aid for Israel. "I would not cut off to Israel, and I can't even believe we are having this conversation," he said. "five years ago, the concept of even talking about cutting off aid to Israel because of two people who hate Israel and hate Jewish people - I can't believe we are having this conversation. Where has the Democratic party gone?"

"Where have they gone where they are defending these two people over the state of Israel?" the President continued. "I think any Jewish people that vote for a democrat -- I think it shows either total lack of knowledge or great disloyalty."

He spoke about the joint press conference of the two Congresswomen and added: "You should see the horrible things that Tlaib said on Israel over the last couple of years. Omar is a disaster for Jewish people. I can't imagine if she has Jewish people in her district that they could possibly vote for her."

Read more: https://www.jpost.com/American-Politics/Trump-Jews-voting-for-democrats-show-lack-of-knowledge-or-great-disloyalty-599207



In response; "Jewish support for the Republican Party has been halved in the past four years."- Halie Soifer, Executive Director of Jewish Democratic Council of America

"This is yet another example of Donald Trump continuing to weaponize and politicize anti-Semitism. At a time when anti-Semitic incidents have increased -- due to the president's emboldening of white nationalism -- Trump is repeating an anti-Semitic trope. If this is about Israel, then Trump is repeating a dual loyalty claim, which is a form of anti-Semitism. If this is about Jews being "loyal" to him, then Trump needs a reality check. We live in a democracy, and Jewish support for the Republican Party has been halved in the past four years."
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Trump: Jews Voting for Democrats Show Lack of Knowledge or Great Disloyalty (Original Post) crazytown Aug 2019 OP
About three-fourths of American Jews tend to vote Democratic, The Velveteen Ocelot Aug 2019 #1
Look in the mirror, Schmuck. nt Xipe Totec Aug 2019 #2
Translation from Trumpspeak/projection NewJeffCT Aug 2019 #3
"I think anyone that votes for Trump I -it shows either total lack of knowledge or USA disloyalty" riversedge Aug 2019 #27
The assholes who retweets anti-semitic imagery John Fante Aug 2019 #4
Apparently he has a total lack of knowledge about Jews. milestogo Aug 2019 #5
He sounds like my sons and certain members of my shul MosheFeingold Aug 2019 #30
Generalization about any group is not a good thing - milestogo Aug 2019 #31
I generally worked in the House MosheFeingold Aug 2019 #32
He distinguished himself by voting against the Patriot Act milestogo Aug 2019 #33
For the record MosheFeingold Aug 2019 #36
Trump hubris bucolic_frolic Aug 2019 #6
Talk about calling the kettle black. I though disloyal was tRump's middle name. ffr Aug 2019 #7
Oh, and MASS SHOOTINGS & MOSCOW MITCH ffr Aug 2019 #8
They should vote for the guy beloved by American Nazis and white supremacists? tanyev Aug 2019 #9
Multiple choice question: Trump is a _________ Red Pest Aug 2019 #10
All of the above PlanetBev Aug 2019 #14
this tweet yaesu Aug 2019 #11
Absolutely brain dead clueless. The daily spewage is disgusting, but the "bully pulpit" and willing Evolve Dammit Aug 2019 #12
its not Joe Biden supporters who have been shooting up synagogues DBoon Aug 2019 #13
I am waiting for the outraged response by republikkans in congress rpannier Aug 2019 #15
I don't care if this is blocked or I get disciplined for this post, but R Merm Aug 2019 #16
Trump will simply attack anyone anywhere anytime. He is void of charisma. WhoWoodaKnew Aug 2019 #17
That isn't too far from saying that Jews aren't 'real' Americans; 70sEraVet Aug 2019 #18
It's also saying Democrats aren't "real" Americans onenote Aug 2019 #28
He has Hispanic/Mexican concentration camps. How soon before he has Jewish concentration camps? George II Aug 2019 #19
So, it isn't anti-Semitic. Behind the Aegis Aug 2019 #20
Der Dolchstoss crazytown Aug 2019 #22
You make good points atreides1 Aug 2019 #26
Schlemiel stevil Aug 2019 #21
Nothing to see here. Aussie105 Aug 2019 #23
Remember that one of Trump's brain trust is a holocaust denier. Sebastian Gorka Botany Aug 2019 #24
The Jews are ticked off... Maxheader Aug 2019 #25
From my twitter feed Gothmog Aug 2019 #29
... Scurrilous Aug 2019 #34
Too similar: didn't Hitler (rot in hell) call Jews disloyal? JudyM Aug 2019 #35

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,683 posts)
1. About three-fourths of American Jews tend to vote Democratic,
Tue Aug 20, 2019, 05:23 PM
Aug 2019

so maybe that was kind of a dumb thing to say. But that's Trump...

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
3. Translation from Trumpspeak/projection
Tue Aug 20, 2019, 05:29 PM
Aug 2019

"I think any Jewish people that vote for Trump -- I think it shows either total lack of knowledge or great disloyalty."

MosheFeingold

(3,051 posts)
30. He sounds like my sons and certain members of my shul
Wed Aug 21, 2019, 11:27 AM
Aug 2019

I'm Orthodox. My family are Orthodox. Some members of my family now live in Israel.

Many (or, rather "some&quot Orthodox consider the Democratic Party as incomparable with Jewish values, which generally line up on the right. They are also greatly distressed by tolerance of our party with some of the very poorly phrased statements of Omar, Tlaib, etc.

Anyway, I get the "Democrats are not good for the Jews" pronouncements enough from people I love.

I don't need it from the President.

I honestly suspect Ivanka (who is Jewish) and her family of being behind this kind of thinking.

Converts must be respected, as they are Jews-by-choice. But I have often found them more over-the-top in their beliefs than people born Jewish.

milestogo

(16,829 posts)
31. Generalization about any group is not a good thing -
Wed Aug 21, 2019, 11:53 AM
Aug 2019

whether its blacks, jews, women, evangelical christians... there are all types.

My former Senator, Russ Feingold, always struck me as someone who had Jewish values. Not particularly religious (although his sister is a rabbi) but very ethical and someone who really loves the law. Someone who cares about disadvantaged groups. The Senate is poorer without him.

MosheFeingold

(3,051 posts)
32. I generally worked in the House
Wed Aug 21, 2019, 12:47 PM
Aug 2019

So I never really got to interact with Senator Feingold in any meaningful way.

I can say he was always prepared for meetings and would ask solid questions.

He was also very polite and considerate (which is a rarity among Senators, either party).

milestogo

(16,829 posts)
33. He distinguished himself by voting against the Patriot Act
Wed Aug 21, 2019, 12:57 PM
Aug 2019

and when one of his aides was asked about it she said "That's because he actually read it."

Feingold always read the bills he was voting on, even if it meant staying up all night to do so. He didn't rely on someone else's summary - that's how seriously he took being a legislator.

bucolic_frolic

(43,146 posts)
6. Trump hubris
Tue Aug 20, 2019, 05:58 PM
Aug 2019

being so convinced of his own brilliance. It's a very good sign that he is distorting reality to fit his facts. Keep it up all the way to Election Day, Donnie

ffr

(22,669 posts)
7. Talk about calling the kettle black. I though disloyal was tRump's middle name.
Tue Aug 20, 2019, 06:00 PM
Aug 2019

How many wives and mistresses has he gone through?

ffr

(22,669 posts)
8. Oh, and MASS SHOOTINGS & MOSCOW MITCH
Tue Aug 20, 2019, 06:03 PM
Aug 2019

I'm not distracted from what's really important.

Fuck the Russians, I mean Republicans!

tanyev

(42,552 posts)
9. They should vote for the guy beloved by American Nazis and white supremacists?
Tue Aug 20, 2019, 06:03 PM
Aug 2019

Somebody’s got a lack of knowledge.

Red Pest

(288 posts)
10. Multiple choice question: Trump is a _________
Tue Aug 20, 2019, 06:08 PM
Aug 2019

a) chazer; b) ganef; c) ligner; d) schmuck; or e) all of the above

yaesu

(8,020 posts)
11. this tweet
Tue Aug 20, 2019, 07:33 PM
Aug 2019

Bryan Behar
@bryanbehar
Nothing makes me feel safer than an anti-Semitic, authoritarian President telling American Jews that they are disloyal if they don’t vote for him.
4:27 PM · Aug 20, 2019 from Burbank, CA·Twitter for iPhone

Evolve Dammit

(16,725 posts)
12. Absolutely brain dead clueless. The daily spewage is disgusting, but the "bully pulpit" and willing
Tue Aug 20, 2019, 07:48 PM
Aug 2019

media gives it credence. Every damn day.

DBoon

(22,363 posts)
13. its not Joe Biden supporters who have been shooting up synagogues
Tue Aug 20, 2019, 08:10 PM
Aug 2019

Attacks have been coming from one side of the political spectrum, the side Trump has been encouraging

rpannier

(24,329 posts)
15. I am waiting for the outraged response by republikkans in congress
Tue Aug 20, 2019, 09:23 PM
Aug 2019

I am certain they are offended by the dual loyalty claim of il douche and will publicly rebuke him

just in case

R Merm

(405 posts)
16. I don't care if this is blocked or I get disciplined for this post, but
Tue Aug 20, 2019, 09:57 PM
Aug 2019

FUCK YOU TRUMP, FUCK YOU TRUMP.

How dare you say something like this.

WhoWoodaKnew

(847 posts)
17. Trump will simply attack anyone anywhere anytime. He is void of charisma.
Tue Aug 20, 2019, 10:00 PM
Aug 2019

That's why he is an ass. He works with what he has.

70sEraVet

(3,495 posts)
18. That isn't too far from saying that Jews aren't 'real' Americans;
Tue Aug 20, 2019, 10:23 PM
Aug 2019

similar to the 'Go back where they came from' comments. I think we are really in uncharted territory, at least for America.

Behind the Aegis

(53,956 posts)
20. So, it isn't anti-Semitic.
Wed Aug 21, 2019, 12:28 AM
Aug 2019

"Some of his family is Jewish!"

So, it's not anti-Semitic.

"He's just clarifying what a Jew's position should be about Israel."

So, it's not anti-Semitic.

"He's only talking about a specific group of Jews, not all Jews."

So, it's not anti-Semitic.

" (insert Jew) has said this isn't anti-Semitic."

So, it's not anti-Semitic.

"People are only calling this anti-Semitic, because they don't agree with his position and dislike him."

So, it's not anti-Semitic.

"Just because a number of Jews, who have pointed out the historical significance of this canard, say it is anti-Semitic, doesn't make it so."

So, it is not anti-Semitic.

"Why is it when he discusses Israel and Jews' relations to Israel, he is accused of anti-Semitism? Conflation!"

So, it is not anti-Semitic.

"Look at what the other side has said in the past. How is this any worse? It isn't! Where were the protests then?"

So, it is not anti-Semitic.


I, and many Jews, have heard this song before. We know all the lyrics (excuses). They aren't new to us. Attacking the loyalty of Jews for simply being Jews or using Israel as a measurement of Jewish loyalty, is anti-Semitic!

This song will get played again!

atreides1

(16,076 posts)
26. You make good points
Wed Aug 21, 2019, 08:49 AM
Aug 2019
https://news.yahoo.com/trump-jew-voting-democratic-uninformed-203407998.html;_ylt=A0geJaIPO11dhRAAJiRXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTEyZTRrYWpsBGNvbG8DYmYxBHBvcwMyBHZ0aWQDQTA2MDdfMQRzZWMDc2M-

But he does have his defenders, who tell us what he meant!

"The Republican Jewish Coalition defended Trump, arguing that the president was speaking about people being disloyal to themselves rather than to Israel."

"President Trump is right, it shows a great deal of disloyalty to oneself to defend a party that protects/emboldens people that hate you for your religion," the group said in a tweet. "The @GOP, when rarely confronted w/anti-Semitism of elected members always acts swiftly and decisively to punish and remove."

The GOP punishes and removes...

https://theintercept.com/2019/02/15/ilhan-omar-aipac-republicans-anti-semitism/

McCarthy, Scalise, Gohmert, Gaetz, King, Gosar...the only one who has been punished is King and it wasn't because of his association with certain pro-Nazi groups!

Aussie105

(5,388 posts)
23. Nothing to see here.
Wed Aug 21, 2019, 04:47 AM
Aug 2019

Trump has a long list of groups within American society he feels require abusing.

This week, American Jews.

Next week, Hispanics.

Week after, African Americans.

Followed by women in general, women who are not a 10, pregnant women who want an abortion, people who dislike guns, the Fed, people who aren't rich, people who aren't white, Democrats, etc.

It's just an endless loop. Trump's way of winning friends and influencing people.

So, business as usual. Nothing to see here, move along folks.

Trump is living proof that some seeds deserve to fall on barren ground.

Botany

(70,501 posts)
24. Remember that one of Trump's brain trust is a holocaust denier. Sebastian Gorka
Wed Aug 21, 2019, 06:59 AM
Aug 2019

Sebastian Gorka along with his mother are holocaust deniers and with
very public links to a Hungarian Nazi group.

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