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riversedge

(70,214 posts)
Tue Nov 5, 2019, 07:13 PM Nov 2019

Volker testifies Giuliani hijacked Ukraine diplomacy, insisting on public probes into Bidens, 2016

Source: daily kos





Tuesday November 05, 2019 · 3:10 PM CST


In newly released testimony, former special envoy to Ukraine Kurt Volker told congressional investigators that Donald Trump's personal lawyer, Rudy Giuliani, had upended U.S. diplomacy with Ukraine by advancing debunked conspiracy theories about the Bidens and the 2016 elections. "The negative narrative about Ukraine which Mr. Giuliani was furthering was the problem," Volker said during testimony last month, explaining anemic diplomatic efforts to provide robust support for the new Ukrainian administration. "It was, in my view, it was impeding our ability to build the relationship the way we should be doing, in my—as I understood it."

The gulf between what Volker “understood” to be in U.S. interests and what Giuliani was advancing is evident throughout the testimony. Based on excerpts of the 360-page transcript released by House Democrats, Volker relayed that Ukrainian officials came to see Giuliani as the key conduit to Trump and that Volker tried, to no avail, to disabuse Giuliani of the conspiracy theories he was spreading about the Bidens and Ukrainian involvement in the 2016 elections. At one point, Giuliani even insisted on explicit mentions of the two items in a statement Ukraine was preparing to publicly commit to opening investigations of corruption in order to please Trump.

Below are some highlights from the excerpts.

Ukrainian officials clearly understood that Giuliani was the chief conduit to Trump

"The Ukrainians asked to be connected to him in order to try to get across their message of being different from the past," Volker said of the new Ukrainian administration's efforts. They believed that "information flow would reach the president" if they went through Giuliani, Volker added.

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Former US Special Representative to Ukraine Kurt Volker arrives for a deposition with the House Intelligence Committee on Capitol Hill in Washington, DC, October 3, 2019. - Volker is expected to give the committee a deposition on their impeachment inquiry of US President Donald Trump. (Photo by SAUL LOEB / AFP) (Photo by SAUL LOEB/AFP via Getty Images)
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Volker testifies Giuliani hijacked Ukraine diplomacy, insisting on public probes into Bidens, 2016 (Original Post) riversedge Nov 2019 OP
Here we go take the heat off tRUMP bluestarone Nov 2019 #1
Rudy, Rudy and Poor Rudy..how sad..OH MY...(.sarcasm..) Stuart G Nov 2019 #2
Rudy doesn't seem like a bullet taking guy to me. Next few weeks should be very revealing. Evolve Dammit Nov 2019 #3
I agree with you. Like your words, "Rudy doesn't seem like a bullet taking guy to me." Stuart G Nov 2019 #4
Ha! I still like Rudy Colludy Evolve Dammit Nov 2019 #7
I think the Trump Cartel doesn't think for itself either - they're all getting marching orders Mr. Ected Nov 2019 #5
"The pressure campaign came at the expense of our national security.' Haggis for Breakfast Nov 2019 #6

Stuart G

(38,421 posts)
2. Rudy, Rudy and Poor Rudy..how sad..OH MY...(.sarcasm..)
Tue Nov 5, 2019, 07:31 PM
Nov 2019

Where did Rudy get the idea to hijack Ukraine diplomacy?
Do you suppose it was Rudy's own idea?...could he have gotten it somewhere else??

OH MY, poor Rudy, I know, he came up with the idea himself...didn't he?

Yes, Rudy will go to jail for the "boss"...Don't you think???....Poor Rudy...or will Rudy turn around?
Is that even possible, that to save his own ass, he might say something naughty about the boss?
To stay out of jail?....maybe?? But Rudy doesn't believe he can be sent to jail..(prison)

Poor Rudy, Poor Rudy...and if he does turn around....(but he couldn't do that, could he?)
......................then who is next??? The boss himself.....

Stuart G

(38,421 posts)
4. I agree with you. Like your words, "Rudy doesn't seem like a bullet taking guy to me."
Tue Nov 5, 2019, 07:44 PM
Nov 2019

Good Point. Rudy? Will you take the bullet? (I'd ask him if I could) But, Rudy is indeed "loyal"..to Rudy..
...is that right?.. Or will Rudy take a trip to Russia and never return. Rudy the Russian..how does that sound?

Mr. Ected

(9,670 posts)
5. I think the Trump Cartel doesn't think for itself either - they're all getting marching orders
Tue Nov 5, 2019, 09:12 PM
Nov 2019

Through Rupert Murdoch as the disinformation czar. The Russians struck oil when they teamed up with a vast American media conglomerate to pump their propaganda 24/7 into the unwitting and witless brains of our right wing nutbags, who seem entranced to say the least when it comes to spewing one wild-eyed conspiracy theory after another without once bothering to fact check their intake.

Haggis for Breakfast

(6,831 posts)
6. "The pressure campaign came at the expense of our national security.'
Tue Nov 5, 2019, 10:22 PM
Nov 2019

Think about that for a while. Then try to remember when any president of this country has EVER gone to the lengths that this trouser stain has to damage this nation.

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