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Julian Englis

(2,309 posts)
Sun Nov 10, 2019, 06:38 PM Nov 2019

Giuliani Associate Says He Gave Demand for Biden Inquiry to Ukrainians

Source: NY Times

Not long before the Ukrainian president was inaugurated in May, an associate of Rudolph W. Giuliani’s journeyed to Kiev to deliver a warning to the country’s new leadership, a lawyer for the associate said.

The associate, Lev Parnas, told a representative of the incoming government that it had to announce an investigation into Mr. Trump’s political rival, Joseph R. Biden Jr., and his son, or else Vice President Mike Pence would not attend the swearing-in of the new president, and the United States would freeze aid, the lawyer said.

The claim by Mr. Parnas, who is preparing to share his account with impeachment investigators, challenges the narrative of events from Mr. Trump and Ukrainian officials that is at the core of the congressional inquiry. It also directly links Mr. Giuliani, the president’s personal lawyer, to threats of repercussions made to the Ukrainians, something he has strenuously denied.

But Mr. Parnas’s account, while potentially significant, is being contradicted on several fronts. None of the people involved dispute that the meeting occurred, but Mr. Parnas stands alone in saying the intention was to present an ultimatum to the Ukrainian leadership.


Read more: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/10/nyregion/trump-ukraine-parnas-fruman.html

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Giuliani Associate Says He Gave Demand for Biden Inquiry to Ukrainians (Original Post) Julian Englis Nov 2019 OP
What a tangled web... The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2019 #1
Not that tangled. maxsolomon Nov 2019 #10
More: Leghorn21 Nov 2019 #2
Has Giuliani explained why he and his associates were even dealing with the Ukraine gov't? Gidney N Cloyd Nov 2019 #3
I'm sure they were just there to discuss "Russian adoptions" flibbitygiblets Nov 2019 #5
Get the charging docs ready. Arrest and prosecute traitors to the U.S. and betrayal of NATO allies. Evolve Dammit Nov 2019 #4
Rudy, Rudy, Rudy....Going Down...Down,..and Down...nt Stuart G Nov 2019 #6
Rudy how far you've fallen. Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Nov 2019 #7
I think somebody just made it clear that if he's going to jail padah513 Nov 2019 #8
They need to quit screwing around SonofDonald Nov 2019 #9
Larry and Curly are squawking. Moe's gonna poke 'em in the eyes. lagomorph777 Nov 2019 #11

maxsolomon

(33,400 posts)
10. Not that tangled.
Mon Nov 11, 2019, 02:17 PM
Nov 2019

They had the same ask, over and over. Impressive that Ukraine didn't give them what they wanted - although they were about to.

Leghorn21

(13,526 posts)
2. More:
Sun Nov 10, 2019, 06:45 PM
Nov 2019
Another participant in the meeting, Mr. Parnas’s business partner, Igor Fruman, said Mr. Parnas’s claim was false; the men never raised the issues of aid or the vice president’s attendance at the inauguration, lawyers for Mr. Fruman said.

Mr. Giuliani denied Mr. Parnas’s contention that he had delivered the warning at the direction of Mr. Giuliani. “Categorically, I did not tell him to say that,” Mr. Giuliani said.

The dispute represents the clearest indication yet that Mr. Parnas, who was indicted along with Mr. Fruman last month on campaign finance charges, has turned on Mr. Trump and Mr. Giuliani.


Hmmm, Igor says, oh no he dint



Anyway, get us some receipts, Lev, and keep on keepin on

Gidney N Cloyd

(19,847 posts)
3. Has Giuliani explained why he and his associates were even dealing with the Ukraine gov't?
Sun Nov 10, 2019, 06:58 PM
Nov 2019

Has he claimed that it was personal business or has he copped to being a private citizen conducting US business on behalf of Trump?

I'm having trouble keeping up.

padah513

(2,506 posts)
8. I think somebody just made it clear that if he's going to jail
Sun Nov 10, 2019, 09:30 PM
Nov 2019

He's taking someone a little higher up in the food chain with him to get a better deal. The golden rule is always look out for #1. Giuliani is toast.

SonofDonald

(2,050 posts)
9. They need to quit screwing around
Sun Nov 10, 2019, 09:38 PM
Nov 2019

And indict that mf'er right damn now, I keep wondering what's the holdup???

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