Trump hikes price tag for US forces in Korea almost 500% as Seoul questions alliance
Source: CNN
Washington (CNN)Secretary of Defense Mark Esper landed in South Korea on Thursday to navigate renewed threats from an "enraged" North Korea and newly heightened strain in the alliance with Seoul that congressional aides, lawmakers and Korea experts say has been caused by President Donald Trump. Trump is demanding that South Korea pay roughly 500% more in 2020 to cover the cost of keeping US troops on the peninsula, a congressional aide and an administration official confirmed to CNN.
The price hike has frustrated Pentagon officials and deeply concerned Republican and Democratic lawmakers, according to military officials and congressional aides. It has angered and unnerved Seoul, where leaders are questioning US commitment to their alliance and wondering whether Trump will pull US forces if they don't pay up. "Nothing says I love you like a shakedown," said Vipin Narang, an associate professor at MIT who follows the Korean peninsula, summarizing South Korean uncertainty their worries about the US.
In the US, congressional aides and Korea experts familiar with the talks say the President's $4.7 billion demand came out of thin air, sending State and Defense Department officials scrambling to justify the number with a slew of new charges that may include Seoul paying some costs for US personnel present on the peninsula and for troops and equipment that rotate through. Negotiations are underway as North Korean threats to step up its weapons development, deepening Seoul's anxiety. On Thursday, Pyongyang condemned US-South Korean joint military exercises, saying it was "enraged" and threatening to respond with "force in kind."
North Korea has already launched 24 missiles this year, each a violation of UN resolutions, to match the country's previous annual record for firing off projectiles that threaten South Korea and Japan, according to Bruce Klingner, a senior fellow at the Heritage Foundation. Germany, France and the United Kingdom recently condemned Pyongyang for the launches, saying they undermined regional security and stability. Meanwhile, South Korean leaders are acutely aware that Trump has downplayed the launches, saying he is "not at all" troubled by them. There are a lot of hard feelings," Klingner said of South Korean views of the US right now, adding that "people are questioning the viability of the US as an ally."
Read more: https://www.cnn.com/2019/11/14/politics/trump-south-korea-troops-price-hike/index.html
More allies under the bus.
pandr32
(11,581 posts)There will be no end to this if we do not rid ourselves of this wannabe international mob boss.
orangecrush
(19,546 posts)The sooner the better.
lastlib
(23,224 posts)He is WRECKING EVERY. Single. Friendship. we have in the world.
Except Saudi Arabia--with fiends* like them, whodafukk needs enemies??
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(*not a typo.....)
bluestarone
(16,926 posts)And the generals? where are they? SCARY times ahead.
mopinko
(70,090 posts)isnt this subject to treaties?
Hekate
(90,674 posts)...over all checks and balances. Bye-bye advise and consent.
Dennis Donovan
(18,770 posts)...and totalitarian neighbor invades the area as soon as US troops are gone.
Stop me if you heard this before...
Lonestarblue
(9,981 posts)Which says they care more about being elected than they do about protecting our country and its long-standing alliances.
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BumRushDaShow
(128,905 posts)or Japan (although they have slowly been kicking us out) and many other places. They are there by treaty but also for training.
My mother's generation were the Korean War vets. That "war" (actually a "police action" ) was the U.N.'s first and the DMZ between North and South Korea, as we all know and saw the hullabaloo about (with the infamous great "coin" ) is still there.
I suppose one could compare/contrast what happened with the Koreas vs what happened with the Vietnams. The geopolitical world has definitely changed since the end of those 2 U.N. "police actions", so oddly enough, those changes prompted that whole PNAC initiative by the neocons (which was supposedly DOA but is actually sortof implemented thanks to people who are still hanging around like Bolton and Elliot Abrams). So U.S. bases have been popping up in other places all around the world as "nimble forces".
Isolationists vs Globalists.
Pax Americana.
rpannier
(24,329 posts)They are in Korea because it keeps the region stable. The presence of the military bases promotes United States interests, both militarily and financially. The U.S. has always used its military presence to promote American businesses in the region; restaurants, for example, that are available on a US base, often open a franchise or a few in the area because the public not able to get on the base decide they like that kind of food. Often the franchise that opens in the city is operated (or co-operated) by a person associated with the post franchise
U.S. military bases hire a decent sized number of locals to work on the base/post at the Px, Commissary, etc. These jobs are good paying and build up good will with the public because these people make good money and can spend it locally. The jobs enhance local economies.
In addition, on a strategic and security level, having U.S. bases and military personnel in these countries allows the U.S. to be more ready to deploy in case of an emergency (North Korea would likely have invaded the South on three or four occasions since 1960 has the U.S. military not been present), the U.S. military presence is a deterrent to military actions in this region.
When people talk about how there has not been a war on the Korean Peninsula since the 50's, it is precisely because the US military is here
The Liberal Lion
(1,414 posts)or is he playing dotard emperor with Moon Jae-in? Or both?
BumRushDaShow
(128,905 posts)It sortof fits the pattern of demanding that other countries "pay their fair share". It's an attempt at fulfilling some kind of campaign promise so it can be touted at a rally.
Corgigal
(9,291 posts)our military now.
Great pick RNC. Too bad you needed russian money to survive, and now this....
Kid Berwyn
(14,897 posts)Putin wins again.
Toorich
(391 posts)..... will bring the troops home and use them to invade Canada or Mexico.
25th Amendment eh wot?
Nitram
(22,794 posts)future diplomatic and military challenges.
ffr
(22,669 posts)How many years of American diplomacy is he taken a hatchet to?
mpcamb
(2,870 posts)That's the only way he does business.
nitpicker
(7,153 posts)BumRushDaShow
(128,905 posts)Separately on Friday, North Korea launched an attack on former US Vice President Joe Biden, calling him a "rabid dog'' that "must be beaten to death with a stick.''
The commentary by the official Korean Central News Agency said the US presidential hopeful "reeled off a string of rubbish against the dignity'' of the North's supreme leadership, an act it said deserves "merciless punishment.''
It wasn't immediately clear which of Biden's comments provoked Pyongyang's anger, although the Democrat has accused Trump of cozying up to "dictators and tyrants.''
The North has previously made racist and sexist diatribes against former US President Barack Obama and ex-South Korean President Park Geun-hye, the country's first female leader.
mm/ng (AP, Reuters)
soryang
(3,299 posts)This public unjustified and demeaning pressure on South Korea by Trump's team has been ongoing for weeks.
The US is trying to force Korea to restore the GSOMIA with Japan, and, in fact, enter an Indo-Pacific alliance aimed at China, against it's will. In effect, the US and the Pentagon are pressuring South Korea to enter a direct military alliance with Japan against it's will. The US has clearly adopted Japan's side in the Abe versus South Korea diplomatic and trade dispute. High level US officials make public statements about South Korean "mistakes," from Tokyo and then travel to South Korea to repeat the same tactless and insulting remarks in Seoul and at Camp Humphreys.
The US also wants South Korea to pay for costs associated with out of area deployments in Western Pacific including costs of forces dispatched to Guam and Okinawa. According to the Trump administration South Korea should bear the costs of more frequent force rotations to the Far East which the Pentagon imprudently decided was a good idea.
If one looks at the broad picture of the extortionate demands made on the Moon Administration, it is pretty clear that the Trump administration and leadership in the Pentagon are trying to overthrow the democratic administration of Moon Jae-in. Their underlying objective is to reinstall the pro-Japan far right elements that are the political heirs of Japanese colonialism and earlier South Korean military dictatorships that were little more than quislings for the US and Japanese interests.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/113326182
Coincidentally, there is substantial political instability in South Korea characterized by massive demonstrations in Gwanghwamun of far right elements supported by the Liberty Korea Party calling for the arrest and impeachment of Moon Jae-In. These demonstrators carry hundreds if not thousands of American flags.
BumRushDaShow
(128,905 posts)They are reporting on what happened yesterday when Esper made his 2nd trip to the region (along with some background info).
Anyone who follows that area of the world would have been aware of the political issues stemming from Park Geun-hye's impeachment and the aftermath elections. And of course the Korean-Japanese rancor goes back a long way and the bitterness is still simmering. There is similar instability building in Germany as well with the ethnic (former-) east Germans.
In other words, the world is "realigning".
soryang
(3,299 posts)...sent over there to jawbone the South Korean administration into submission to US and Japanese demands. It reminds me of early 20th Century colonialism and the protectorate of Ito Hirobumi. Trump and the Pentagon are looking for the new Traitors of Eulsa to sign away South Korea to the overlords.
It's interesting that you said "anyone who follows that area of the world," because VOA Korea has Scot Snyder on quite frequently and I've never heard him make one criticism against the US demands.
BumRushDaShow
(128,905 posts)(see what had been happening regarding Ukraine and the "irregular channel" ) I expect it is difficult for the media to keep up with "which one" is "the one".
soryang
(3,299 posts)...and its aim to get rid of the democratic party administration in South Korea because it stands in the way of US dominance of South Korean foreign policy.
BumRushDaShow
(128,905 posts)Don't trust it as no one knows what other crap is going on behind the scenes (that may be even worse).
soryang
(3,299 posts)This pressure is being coordinated in my opinion with the LKP, and other far right elements domestically in South Korea, including former generals and allegedly active duty generals, and evangelical organizations, in effect creating a Constitutional crisis in South Korea.
It is widely surmised in South Korea, that the US is harboring the former Defense Security Command commander, who fled the country. He planned a martial law crackdown, in other words a militay coup in early 2017 to stop the impeachment of Park Geun-hye:
Hwang Kyo-ahn Has it Both Ways Oct 28
As long as, the former prime minister is suspected of considering martial law plans in 2017, he seeks to take political credit from those who would have welcomed martial law, while denying he had any role.
https://civilizationdiscontents.blogspot.com/2019/10/hwang-kyo-ahn-doubles-down.html
beachbumbob
(9,263 posts)destroy US relationships on every level. Putin is winning this easily as the GOP is in full collaborator mode.
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lunasun
(21,646 posts)Cicada
(4,533 posts)BumRushDaShow
(128,905 posts)because that is where North Korea is. If anyone, they might go towards Russia (which is an obvious direction to move given Putin's sense of global realignment as a potential competitor to China).
It seems that South Korea is uniquely poised to actually form a bloc with some of the emerging economies in their immediate area without including Japan, including Indonesia, Malaysia, and Vietnam.
Cicada
(4,533 posts)South Korea needs protection from the North. Maybe a friendly China can provide the help it needs. China might be well positioned to broker a resolution of differences.
BumRushDaShow
(128,905 posts)and I think they also do so by having their back every time there are "cultural" ice-breaker events between the north and the south. But "something" always seems to happen that torpedoes the outreach and everyone retreats back to their corners.