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brooklynite

(94,502 posts)
Wed Nov 27, 2019, 03:36 PM Nov 2019

Anonymous' vows to unveil identity as 2020 heats up

Source: Politico

The anonymous Trump administration official who set Washington ablaze with an op-ed detailing an insider plot to restrain President Donald Trump has vowed to expose their identity as the 2020 election heats up.

“Trump will hear from me, in my own name, before the 2020 election,” the official declared in a Reddit “Ask Me Anything” session on Tuesday night. The anonymous official is promoting a new book, “A Warning,” which describes Trump as a threat to the country and dangerously unfit for the Oval Office.

“As far as anonymity is concerned, I will not keep my identity shrouded in secrecy forever,” the official added. “I am not afraid to use my own name to express concern about the current occupant of the Oval Office. Donald Trump has not heard the last of me.”

A potential revelation of the author’s identity would solve one of the more curious mysteries at the heart of this presidency — who wrote the 2018 New York Times op-ed that described administration officials working to undermine the president’s own wishes. The editorial arrived at the height of the dramatic leaks coming out of the White House and sparked a frenzied guessing game within the administration and sent amateur sleuths across the country digging for clues.

Read more: https://www.politico.com/news/2019/11/27/anonymous-author-identity-074189

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Anonymous' vows to unveil identity as 2020 heats up (Original Post) brooklynite Nov 2019 OP
This has the potential of making some folks a lot of money Tiggeroshii Nov 2019 #1
How would we feel if "anonymous" sources were attacking a Democratic President from the inside? jalan48 Nov 2019 #2
If we had a Democratic President behaving as Trump does, I would be grateful for any insiders pnwmom Nov 2019 #4
Me 2. n/t rzemanfl Nov 2019 #7
Why would you think a Democratic President had to do anything wrong? It's about anonymous jalan48 Nov 2019 #9
They aren't anonymous to the NY Times DrToast Nov 2019 #12
The bureaucracy is huge. Relying on secret sources for information is dangerous. When our jalan48 Nov 2019 #18
The NYT knows how to vet and to confirm sources.. reACTIONary Nov 2019 #36
Anonymous isn't speaking in a vacuum. He is speaking in a context we can see in front of us pnwmom Nov 2019 #23
We see it. The other side doesn't and those not paying much attention will just see the headlines. jalan48 Nov 2019 #28
The article is about Anonymous's claim that he will go public. That's when we will pnwmom Nov 2019 #32
That could be. I oppose the use of anonymous sources but support whistleblowers. jalan48 Nov 2019 #33
Journalism relies on anonymous sources a lot JonLP24 Nov 2019 #46
Watergate wouldn't have happened except for an anonymous source to the WA Post. pnwmom Nov 2019 #35
So when a civil servant sees wrongdoing from a President Aquaria Nov 2019 #27
There's an existing process for whistleblowers in the government to come forward. jalan48 Nov 2019 #30
And there is a right to freedom of speech... reACTIONary Nov 2019 #37
And the whistleblower has apparently been outed by Breitbart, and is constantly pnwmom Nov 2019 #45
It's called the "Dead-Public-Servent Express"... uriel1972 Nov 2019 #48
This! Thekaspervote Nov 2019 #44
One would hope Democrats wouldn't support any Democratic President who has been destructive Judi Lynn Nov 2019 #5
You seem to think a Democrat would have to engage in behavior like Trump's in order to have jalan48 Nov 2019 #10
You're confused DrToast Nov 2019 #13
Good luck-Fox News will have a heyday with "anonymous" sources once it's accepted as the norm. jalan48 Nov 2019 #19
It's NOT an anonymous source. Dr Hobbitstein Nov 2019 #25
And in the future when an anonymous source is giving their information to Fox News? jalan48 Nov 2019 #34
Fox News DOES use anonymous sources.... reACTIONary Nov 2019 #42
You are really reaching here. Dr Hobbitstein Nov 2019 #43
It IS the excepted norm... reACTIONary Nov 2019 #38
That's true PatSeg Nov 2019 #14
A Democrat that behaves like Trump would not have gotten elected in the first place and if they cstanleytech Nov 2019 #15
It's not about behavior, it's about the use of anonymous sources to spread disinformation. It jalan48 Nov 2019 #22
Oh for crying out fucking loud! Aquaria Nov 2019 #29
I can see you are having a hard time following the argument here. It's OK. Read carefully and jalan48 Nov 2019 #31
I think s/he understands the argument quite well... reACTIONary Nov 2019 #39
I might have already said so, but... reACTIONary Nov 2019 #40
My question is justgamma Nov 2019 #3
Screw anonymous! This is nothing but a distraction and/or a way to make money KSNY Nov 2019 #6
He's going to need protection for a long time after he gets the information out & reveals his name. Judi Lynn Nov 2019 #11
Perhaps....or maybe he/she figures that his/her book will sell better once the id is revealed KSNY Nov 2019 #16
When will super secret QAnon come out? safeinOhio Nov 2019 #8
This is in my moonscape Nov 2019 #17
"Hasn't heard the last of me"? maxsolomon Nov 2019 #20
They'll unveil their indentity Dopers_Greed Nov 2019 #21
What if it's Ivanka? Yavin4 Nov 2019 #24
It is likely a Republican that loves John McCain JonLP24 Nov 2019 #47
Complying with your subpoena would be a good start, McGahn swag Nov 2019 #26
John Brennan.....................nt Hotler Nov 2019 #41

jalan48

(13,859 posts)
2. How would we feel if "anonymous" sources were attacking a Democratic President from the inside?
Wed Nov 27, 2019, 03:49 PM
Nov 2019

It's a slippery slope we are starting down IMHO.

pnwmom

(108,976 posts)
4. If we had a Democratic President behaving as Trump does, I would be grateful for any insiders
Wed Nov 27, 2019, 03:58 PM
Nov 2019

working to stop him.

jalan48

(13,859 posts)
9. Why would you think a Democratic President had to do anything wrong? It's about anonymous
Wed Nov 27, 2019, 04:07 PM
Nov 2019

sources attempting to undermine his/her administration. The Republicans have shown us they have no ethics when it comes to politics.

DrToast

(6,414 posts)
12. They aren't anonymous to the NY Times
Wed Nov 27, 2019, 04:28 PM
Nov 2019

Why do you think a Democrat working for a Democratic President would just make shit up?

jalan48

(13,859 posts)
18. The bureaucracy is huge. Relying on secret sources for information is dangerous. When our
Wed Nov 27, 2019, 05:27 PM
Nov 2019

side is in power expect the same thing from Republicans. Are we ready for that?

reACTIONary

(5,770 posts)
36. The NYT knows how to vet and to confirm sources..
Wed Nov 27, 2019, 08:02 PM
Nov 2019

... anonymous to the public or not. Without anonymity, the ability to understand what is going on behind the scenes would be crippled. That goes for any administration Democratic as well as Republican.

In fact the SCOTUS has held anonymity to be a necessary corollary to the right to free speech.

pnwmom

(108,976 posts)
23. Anonymous isn't speaking in a vacuum. He is speaking in a context we can see in front of us
Wed Nov 27, 2019, 06:05 PM
Nov 2019

every single day.

Suppose some Anonymous had risen up in the Obama administration. He couldn't have pointed to anything nefarious Obama was doing, because we could a SEE what Obama was doing. We can also see and hear every day what Trump is doing.

jalan48

(13,859 posts)
28. We see it. The other side doesn't and those not paying much attention will just see the headlines.
Wed Nov 27, 2019, 06:22 PM
Nov 2019

It's not about reality with the Republicans.It's about manipulating public opinion through the use of disinformation. I think accepting the use of anonymous sources will make this easier to spread disinformation. Whistle blowers are different, they can remain anonymous because there is a formal process for their accusations.

pnwmom

(108,976 posts)
32. The article is about Anonymous's claim that he will go public. That's when we will
Wed Nov 27, 2019, 06:38 PM
Nov 2019

be able to evaluate his credibility.

But for now we have to rely on whistleblowers.

pnwmom

(108,976 posts)
35. Watergate wouldn't have happened except for an anonymous source to the WA Post.
Wed Nov 27, 2019, 07:50 PM
Nov 2019

Decades later we learned it was Mark Felt, the #2 guy at the FBI. Was he wrong to do that?

 

Aquaria

(1,076 posts)
27. So when a civil servant sees wrongdoing from a President
Wed Nov 27, 2019, 06:19 PM
Nov 2019

They're simply supposed to bow their heads and keep working and doing nothing about the wrong they see committed?

Yeah. That's always a good thing. Just shut up and follow orders. Worked so well for the Nazis and all, didn't it?

reACTIONary

(5,770 posts)
37. And there is a right to freedom of speech...
Wed Nov 27, 2019, 08:09 PM
Nov 2019

.... including ANONYMOUS freedom of speech.

So whats wrong with exercising your freedom of speech?

pnwmom

(108,976 posts)
45. And the whistleblower has apparently been outed by Breitbart, and is constantly
Thu Nov 28, 2019, 01:24 AM
Nov 2019

the subject of attacks from Trump and his thugs. I can't blame anyone who doesn't trust the Whistleblower protection act anymore.

Meanwhile, Mark Felt was safe in anonymity, protected by the WA Post for decades, until he voluntarily came forward.

uriel1972

(4,261 posts)
48. It's called the "Dead-Public-Servent Express"...
Thu Nov 28, 2019, 09:41 PM
Nov 2019

These people are dangerous and don't care one whit for the law.

Judi Lynn

(160,516 posts)
5. One would hope Democrats wouldn't support any Democratic President who has been destructive
Wed Nov 27, 2019, 03:59 PM
Nov 2019

and degrading to the entire world.

Do you believe Trump should be protected in his savage criminality?

There has never been a Democratic President remotely like Trump and if one came into office he should not be protected by anyone.

jalan48

(13,859 posts)
10. You seem to think a Democrat would have to engage in behavior like Trump's in order to have
Wed Nov 27, 2019, 04:12 PM
Nov 2019

anonymous sources report on him or her. Given the current behavior of of Republicans I don't think that would be necessary.

DrToast

(6,414 posts)
13. You're confused
Wed Nov 27, 2019, 04:30 PM
Nov 2019

Anonymous isn’t just some yahoo writing from their basement. Their identity is known to The NY Times

A Republican couldn’t just pretend to be part of a Democratic Presidents administration and make stuff up to get published.

jalan48

(13,859 posts)
19. Good luck-Fox News will have a heyday with "anonymous" sources once it's accepted as the norm.
Wed Nov 27, 2019, 05:29 PM
Nov 2019

There seems to be a naive belief that if we've done no wrong it will be Ok. Think Hillary Clinton and the Republicans.

 

Dr Hobbitstein

(6,568 posts)
25. It's NOT an anonymous source.
Wed Nov 27, 2019, 06:13 PM
Nov 2019

It is a known source by those who are publishing the information (ie, the New York Times). They wish to remain anonymous to the public.

Deep Throat was also anonymous to the public. But not to Woodward and Bernstein.

This is normal in journalism to protect important sources.

reACTIONary

(5,770 posts)
38. It IS the excepted norm...
Wed Nov 27, 2019, 08:11 PM
Nov 2019

.... this is absolutely, positively nothing new. You have heard of Watergate, haven't you?

PatSeg

(47,399 posts)
14. That's true
Wed Nov 27, 2019, 04:32 PM
Nov 2019

but we've never had a president like Trump, not even close. He has been the exception to almost every rule.

cstanleytech

(26,281 posts)
15. A Democrat that behaves like Trump would not have gotten elected in the first place and if they
Wed Nov 27, 2019, 04:32 PM
Nov 2019

somehow managed to do so they would have been impeached long ago.

jalan48

(13,859 posts)
22. It's not about behavior, it's about the use of anonymous sources to spread disinformation. It
Wed Nov 27, 2019, 05:59 PM
Nov 2019

may be right this time but will it be right when the target is a Democratic President and the anonymous information is a lie?

 

Aquaria

(1,076 posts)
29. Oh for crying out fucking loud!
Wed Nov 27, 2019, 06:23 PM
Nov 2019

What fricking EVIDENCE do you have that it's disinformation? What evidence do you have that this source is lying about what s/he has seen inside the loony bin that is now the White House?

When a President is doing things that hurt the country, civil servants are SUPPOSED to speak up, in whatever way they can! Just what the hell do you think that oath they all take is about? It's not a fricking shut up and following orders oath. It's to do the right thing for the people, not for one transitory leader.

What is WRONG with you to be sniveling about such a ridiculous thing as someone revealing the scandalous and frightening behavior of an obvious criminal lunatic to the citizens whose lives are very much in that idiot's hands?

jalan48

(13,859 posts)
31. I can see you are having a hard time following the argument here. It's OK. Read carefully and
Wed Nov 27, 2019, 06:28 PM
Nov 2019

you will get it.

reACTIONary

(5,770 posts)
39. I think s/he understands the argument quite well...
Wed Nov 27, 2019, 08:17 PM
Nov 2019

... I think s/he is correct. There are ways outside of the naming of the informant to assess if the information is credible.

And as far as preventing the "other side" from abusing anonymity - good luck with that. It ain't going to happen no matter what the NYT does.

justgamma

(3,665 posts)
3. My question is
Wed Nov 27, 2019, 03:58 PM
Nov 2019

all the BS he's gotten away with, what in the heck have they stopped him from doing? Did someone hide the football? What?

Judi Lynn

(160,516 posts)
11. He's going to need protection for a long time after he gets the information out & reveals his name.
Wed Nov 27, 2019, 04:14 PM
Nov 2019

Filthy traitorous dirt bags will hunt him to the end of the earth to Epstein him, he will need a lot of people working to keep him alive.

He could find a much easier way to be gratified than by endangering his own life forever.

People willing to put everything on the line and totally change their own lives to strip away the concealment of a born monster are heroes no matter how many racist fascist evil greedy scums they enrage.

KSNY

(315 posts)
16. Perhaps....or maybe he/she figures that his/her book will sell better once the id is revealed
Wed Nov 27, 2019, 04:56 PM
Nov 2019

There are official channels to file complaints. If anonymous has done that, then I agree with you about bravery.
If he/she has not done that then motivations become complex.

moonscape

(4,673 posts)
17. This is in my
Wed Nov 27, 2019, 05:11 PM
Nov 2019

believe-it-when-I-see-it folder. Unless s/he thinks s/he’s on the verge of being outed anyway.

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
47. It is likely a Republican that loves John McCain
Thu Nov 28, 2019, 07:55 AM
Nov 2019

That is about all I narrowed it down to. One of the last straws for them was when Trump wanted to raise the flag from half mast following McCain's death.

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