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turbinetree

(24,695 posts)
Sat Mar 7, 2020, 12:57 PM Mar 2020

As virus outbreaks multiply, UN declines to declare pandemic

Source: Associated Press

By MARIA CHENG
an hour ago

LONDON (AP) — As cases of the coronavirus surge in Italy, Iran, South Korea, the U.S. and elsewhere, many scientists say it’s plain that the world is in the grips of a pandemic — a serious global outbreak.

The World Health Organization has so far resisted describing the crisis as such, saying the word “pandemic” might spook the world further and lead some countries to lose hope of containing the virus.

“Unless we’re convinced it’s uncontrollable, why (would) we call it a pandemic?” WHO director-general Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus said this week.

The U.N. health agency has previously described a pandemic as a situation in which a new virus is causing “sustained community-level outbreaks” in at least two world regions.

Read more: https://apnews.com/16cd6173232a01ec04780db3eea4de79

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As virus outbreaks multiply, UN declines to declare pandemic (Original Post) turbinetree Mar 2020 OP
Really interesting article Mike 03 Mar 2020 #1
If it's a bloodless definition that's at stake, meh. Igel Mar 2020 #8
"A rose by any other name would smell as sweet." nt raccoon Mar 2020 #2
This is controllable??? AllyCat Mar 2020 #3
It is not "spreading like wildfire" in the U.S. former9thward Mar 2020 #5
The definition they gave was.. cannabis_flower Mar 2020 #7
We have relatively few cases because we have few test kits to use NickB79 Mar 2020 #9
This. JudyM Mar 2020 #10
Here's a fascinating map. AllyCat Mar 2020 #11
YES WE ARE TESTING former9thward Mar 2020 #12
That is not what your linked article says. AllyCat Mar 2020 #14
I guess we read what we want to read.... former9thward Mar 2020 #15
And as those kits are used over the next few months, cases will skyrocket NickB79 Mar 2020 #16
This is why customerserviceguy Mar 2020 #4
Perspective: 100,000 out of 7,000,000,000 people have it.Th Warpy Mar 2020 #6
Yes, excellent. former9thward Mar 2020 #13

Mike 03

(16,616 posts)
1. Really interesting article
Sat Mar 7, 2020, 01:22 PM
Mar 2020
Many experts say that threshold has long been met: The virus that was first identified in China is now spreading freely in four regions, it has reached every continent but Antarctica, and its advance seems unavoidable. The disease has managed to gain a foothold and multiply quickly even in countries with relatively strong public health systems.

On Friday, the virus hit a new milestone, infecting more than 100,000 people worldwide, far more than those sickened by SARS, MERS or Ebola in recent years.

“I think it’s pretty clear we’re in a pandemic and I don’t know why WHO is resisting that,” said Michael Osterholm, director of the Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy at the University of Minnesota.

Igel

(35,300 posts)
8. If it's a bloodless definition that's at stake, meh.
Sat Mar 7, 2020, 04:44 PM
Mar 2020

If, however, there's some larger point--whether sensationalist media coverage, outrage and outcry, etc.--then anything that serves to tamp that down makes hesitation over the nomenclature seem situationally justified.

AllyCat

(16,186 posts)
3. This is controllable???
Sat Mar 7, 2020, 02:53 PM
Mar 2020

I don't see anything about this that is controllable right now. Our nation's efforts are woefully inadequate compared to other countries' responses and it is still spreading like wildfire. More than 5,000 new cases since 0700 yesterday.

former9thward

(31,997 posts)
5. It is not "spreading like wildfire" in the U.S.
Sat Mar 7, 2020, 03:30 PM
Mar 2020

Who are you comparing the U.S. to? Italy? China? Iran? If anything the U.S. should have massive amounts of cases everywhere given that large numbers of our citizens travel the globe everyday. We have relatively few cases.

cannabis_flower

(3,764 posts)
7. The definition they gave was..
Sat Mar 7, 2020, 04:07 PM
Mar 2020

Uncontrolled spreading in at least 2 regions. It's spreading like wildfire in China, South Korea and now Italy. I would consider that a pandemic. No one said it had to be spreading like wildfire in the US to be a pandemic.

NickB79

(19,236 posts)
9. We have relatively few cases because we have few test kits to use
Sat Mar 7, 2020, 04:47 PM
Mar 2020

Wherever we've done extensive testing, numbers spike.

AllyCat

(16,186 posts)
11. Here's a fascinating map.
Sat Mar 7, 2020, 06:30 PM
Mar 2020

A week ago, there were a few cases dotted in some locales. Looks like it’s spreading to me. But WE’LL NEVER KNOW BECAUSE WE AREN’T TESTING.

https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

AllyCat

(16,186 posts)
14. That is not what your linked article says.
Sat Mar 7, 2020, 07:19 PM
Mar 2020

Nor is it what is happening where I work. The hoops we have to jump through to get a test is ridiculous.

former9thward

(31,997 posts)
15. I guess we read what we want to read....
Sat Mar 7, 2020, 07:21 PM
Mar 2020

The initial test used in America for the never-before-seen coronavirus was developed by the CDC. The new test kits are manufactured by Integrated DNA Technologies, Inc., which told NBC News in a statement Friday afternoon that it had delivered enough kits to test more than 700,000 individuals using the CDC protocol.

NickB79

(19,236 posts)
16. And as those kits are used over the next few months, cases will skyrocket
Sat Mar 7, 2020, 09:56 PM
Mar 2020

From your own link:

While other countries have run tens of thousands of tests — South Korea has tested more than 100,000 patients — the U.S. has tested barely a fraction of that. Technical glitches and narrow criteria for who could be tested initially hampered the efforts.


Only a few thousand of those 700,000 kits have been used to date. This is going to be an eye opener as the kits are used.

Warpy

(111,255 posts)
6. Perspective: 100,000 out of 7,000,000,000 people have it.Th
Sat Mar 7, 2020, 03:39 PM
Mar 2020

That is 0.0001%. That means your chance of getting it today, tomorrow, or even next week are statistically nil unless you live or work with someone who is down with it. Panic buying anything is a stupid idea that is going to feed on itself and none of it is going to work.

It's not a pandemic, not yet. There have to be many people ill across many countries for that to be declared. It's only the possibility of a pandemic at this point. It isn't time to hit the panic button.

It's time to develop good habits that will help when colds and flu are going around, too, like washing your hands when you can and not touching your face with your fingers unless you're at home where nobody's ill and your hands are clean.

It's not a pandemic, not yet. It might become one, especially next winter. For now, stay calm and wash your fucking hands.

former9thward

(31,997 posts)
13. Yes, excellent.
Sat Mar 7, 2020, 06:37 PM
Mar 2020

Even in Wuhan, where it all started and where people are packed together like sardines, only 1 out 1,000 got infected.

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