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brooklynite

(94,547 posts)
Fri Mar 13, 2020, 07:48 AM Mar 2020

The Worst-Case Estimate for U.S. Coronavirus Deaths

Source: New York Times

Officials at the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and epidemic experts from universities around the world conferred last month about what might happen if the new coronavirus gained a foothold in the United States. How many people might die? How many would be infected and need hospitalization?

One of the agency’s top disease modelers, Matthew Biggerstaff, presented the group on the phone call with four possible scenarios — A, B, C and D — based on characteristics of the virus, including estimates of how transmissible it is and the severity of the illness it can cause. The assumptions, reviewed by The New York Times, were shared with about 50 expert teams to model how the virus could tear through the population — and what might stop it.

The C.D.C.’s scenarios were depicted in terms of percentages of the population. Translated into absolute numbers by independent experts using simple models of how viruses spread, the worst-case figures would be staggering if no actions were taken to slow transmission.

Between 160 million and 214 million people in the U.S. could be infected over the course of the epidemic, according to one projection. That could last months or even over a year, with infections concentrated in shorter periods, staggered across time in different communities, experts said. As many as 200,000 to 1.7 million people could die.

Read more: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/13/us/coronavirus-deaths-estimate.html?referringSource=articleShare

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The Worst-Case Estimate for U.S. Coronavirus Deaths (Original Post) brooklynite Mar 2020 OP
WOW Sherman A1 Mar 2020 #1
Heckuva job, Trumpy! GreenPartyVoter Mar 2020 #2
A quick google search... NurseJackie Mar 2020 #3
We're being lowballed again bucolic_frolic Mar 2020 #4
WHO report from 3/11 stopwastingmymoney Mar 2020 #5
There may be a bias (low) in initial CFR rate estimates... NeoGreen Mar 2020 #6
Plenty of worst-case fear mongering going on DeminPennswoods Mar 2020 #7
That's the bottom line. Garbage (assumptions) in - garbage out. SlimJimmy Mar 2020 #8
Kick Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Mar 2020 #9
The American Hospital Association estimated... LudwigPastorius Mar 2020 #10

bucolic_frolic

(43,161 posts)
4. We're being lowballed again
Fri Mar 13, 2020, 08:05 AM
Mar 2020

There have been various estimate of death rates. The actual figure globally has been hovering at 6% for two weeks, only slowly falling from 7-8%.

Extrapolated estimates from intelligent non-scientists in the public domain were running about 3.4% a week ago.

We're being told the average flu has a death rate of .1% and COVID-19 is ten times more lethal than that for a total of 1%.

Even 1% of 160 million is 1.6 million.

I think that's a lowball figure to calm public fears that any person with a non-scientific calculator could figure out in 3 minutes.

More lies from the Trump administration.

NeoGreen

(4,031 posts)
6. There may be a bias (low) in initial CFR rate estimates...
Fri Mar 13, 2020, 08:45 AM
Mar 2020

...because not all the cases are resolved.

i.e. in the middle of the outbreak you have a given number who have tested positive, and a known number of deaths but if the recovery takes weeks, it delays the final counts.

In the US, we don't even have a good handle on the number of contacts yet (denominator), so all narrow estimates (high or low), proffered so far should be taken with a grain of salt, or 2.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4504518/?fbclid=IwAR1DPGMPBhS-LoCsC2ArMtEC7XHv3-IWfQcO_NtcgP3lTheHFzy2F3-IXrs


Abstract

Estimating the case-fatality risk (CFR)—the probability that a person dies from an infection given that they are a case—is a high priority in epidemiologic investigation of newly emerging infectious diseases and sometimes in new outbreaks of known infectious diseases. The data available to estimate the overall CFR are often gathered for other purposes (e.g., surveillance) in challenging circumstances. We describe two forms of bias that may affect the estimation of the overall CFR—preferential ascertainment of severe cases and bias from reporting delays—and review solutions that have been proposed and implemented in past epidemics. Also of interest is the estimation of the causal impact of specific interventions (e.g., hospitalization, or hospitalization at a particular hospital) on survival, which can be estimated as a relative CFR for two or more groups. When observational data are used for this purpose, three more sources of bias may arise: confounding, survivorship bias, and selection due to preferential inclusion in surveillance datasets of those who are hospitalized and/or die. We illustrate these biases and caution against causal interpretation of differential CFR among those receiving different interventions in observational datasets. Again, we discuss ways to reduce these biases, particularly by estimating outcomes in smaller but more systematically defined cohorts ascertained before the onset of symptoms, such as those identified by forward contact tracing. Finally, we discuss the circumstances in which these biases may affect non-causal interpretation of risk factors for death among cases.


Plus, a simple spreadsheet provides the following full range of possible outcomes from what little we know now:



DeminPennswoods

(15,286 posts)
7. Plenty of worst-case fear mongering going on
Fri Mar 13, 2020, 08:58 AM
Mar 2020

You can have the best algorithms and mathmatical models, but if you make poor assumptions, the results are worthless. Worse than worthless because they can lead to unnecessary stress and anxiety.

The paucity of good data on which to base assumptions for what might happen here in the US precludes any worthwhile predictions. The experts you see on TV or are quoted elsewhere are similarly guessing.

Fauci and the rest of the experts would be so much better off going out and saying they need data in order to figure out where things stand and where they might be headed. Of course, it's harder because of the test kit availability screw up.

But even if CDC/WH just told people who think they have a cold or flu to go and confirm that diagnosis, that would help identify cases that people think are just flu but actually are/were covid19. That would be useful information to help people distinguish between garden variety flu and covid19.

SlimJimmy

(3,180 posts)
8. That's the bottom line. Garbage (assumptions) in - garbage out.
Fri Mar 13, 2020, 09:28 AM
Mar 2020
You can have the best algorithms and mathmatical models, but if you make poor assumptions, the results are worthless.

LudwigPastorius

(9,140 posts)
10. The American Hospital Association estimated...
Sat Mar 14, 2020, 01:57 PM
Mar 2020

almost 2 million people in ICUs and almost half a million dead.

But, if too many people get sick at once and hospitals and staff are overwhelmed, the mortality rate will rise.


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