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brooklynite

(94,517 posts)
Thu Apr 16, 2020, 04:27 PM Apr 2020

Inside Trump's plan to reopen the American economy

Source: ABC News

The guidelines, obtained by ABC News, are broken up into three phases, and governors were instructed they could move through the guidelines at their own pace and that they are not orders from the government, according to a person familiar with call.

"Phase one" calls on employers to telework where possible, return to work in phases, minimize non-essential travel and make accommodations for the vulnerable populations within the workforce. It calls on all vulnerable individuals to "shelter in place," and when in public, all individuals should continue social distancing.

In "phase two," non-essential travel for employers can resume. Schools and organized youth activity can reopen. Bars, gyms and large venues can reopen with proper social distancing measures in places. Churches can open with social distancing. Elective surgeries can resume.

The third phase says bars, gyms and large venues can reopen with limited social distancing and proper sanitation.



Read more: https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/inside-trumps-plan-reopen-american-economy/story?id=70190078&cid=social_twitter_abcnp

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Inside Trump's plan to reopen the American economy (Original Post) brooklynite Apr 2020 OP
Uh huh. donnie bodybags pretending to be relevant, as governors, rightfully, ignore him. niyad Apr 2020 #1
"There go the people. I must follow them, for I am their leader." -- Alexandre Auguste Ledru-Rollin LastLiberal in PalmSprings Apr 2020 #30
This is a plan? They thought about this and came up with this crap? rzemanfl Apr 2020 #2
Three Phases, Huh? sfstaxprep Apr 2020 #3
Why So Long? ProfessorGAC Apr 2020 #17
Of what year? niyad Apr 2020 #31
Exactly. There are no tests, gldstwmn Apr 2020 #44
Whole lotta hype about an empty non-plan bucolic_frolic Apr 2020 #4
And SheltieLover Apr 2020 #18
Oh! How did I miss that BONUS TIME OFFER? bucolic_frolic Apr 2020 #25
In "phase two," non-essential travel for employers can resume. left-of-center2012 Apr 2020 #5
What lawyers are gonna approve this? zipplewrath Apr 2020 #8
I Feel So Enlightened By This Plan NonPC Apr 2020 #6
"Bars and large venues and churches with proper social distancing"? Dream on. Bars? . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2020 #7
Alcohol kills the germs... brooklynite Apr 2020 #15
Not in the lungs and nose. I know you were joshing, but just to be clear. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2020 #26
Not one word about testing? Ohiogal Apr 2020 #9
Got all the metrics for these phases Dawgman49 Apr 2020 #10
He left it up to the governors so if things go wrong it's their fault, not his. Of course. Kablooie Apr 2020 #11
What I want to know Chainfire Apr 2020 #12
If I had kids I don't think I would send them back to school. blueinredohio Apr 2020 #13
Schools should be all online SheltieLover Apr 2020 #21
No, the online learning is a joke Zing Zing Zingbah Apr 2020 #32
Depends upon how it is facilitated SheltieLover Apr 2020 #39
I am a high school teacher in CRK7376 Apr 2020 #43
Sorry to hear of your struggles SheltieLover Apr 2020 #48
Yes, the other difficult aspect of it is the parents still have to work Zing Zing Zingbah Apr 2020 #52
Agree Ace Rothstein Apr 2020 #45
Sorry to hear, Ace SheltieLover Apr 2020 #49
And I've never heard of a school that doesn't provide soap in the bathrooms Zing Zing Zingbah Apr 2020 #33
just because there is soap doesn't mean the kids use it demtenjeep Apr 2020 #37
Very true, too! SheltieLover Apr 2020 #41
My son's teacher made EVERYONE wash their hands upon entering the room Jake Stern Apr 2020 #47
Excellent protocol! SheltieLover Apr 2020 #50
Personal experience. SheltieLover Apr 2020 #40
It think it depends on the area Zing Zing Zingbah Apr 2020 #53
I felt the same way too. Jake Stern Apr 2020 #46
Awwww poor kiddo! SheltieLover Apr 2020 #51
How do drunk people practice social distancing at a fucking bar? fleur-de-lisa Apr 2020 #14
Not to mention @sports venues, arenas, concert halls onetexan Apr 2020 #16
To Be Fair ProfessorGAC Apr 2020 #19
Exactly, and who would do the enforcement? onetexan Apr 2020 #20
Yes, greed alwsys seems to reign supreme, sadly SheltieLover Apr 2020 #22
How would anyone make sure spectators keep 6ft. distance in the restrooms?? Lock him up. Apr 2020 #34
Like having a peeing area of a swimming pool n/t TexasBushwhacker Apr 2020 #42
Return to work in phases--Get back here tomorrow or your FIRED!! Bengus81 Apr 2020 #23
If I get that ultimatum, they can fire me and I'll sue for wrongful termination. roamer65 Apr 2020 #36
COVID-19: Hold my beer. ancianita Apr 2020 #24
Trump's lame attempt at covering his arse after shooting off his mouth. Raven123 Apr 2020 #27
Repuke neighbor has been whining because she can't go out. Dem2theMax Apr 2020 #28
Making America's Depression Great Again! He gonna need a new hat Baclava Apr 2020 #29
SARS-CoV-2 will move to the states that relax their protocols. roamer65 Apr 2020 #35
This is no plan. Plans have dates and details. This is generic BS. Governors will do there on plans iluvtennis Apr 2020 #38
30. "There go the people. I must follow them, for I am their leader." -- Alexandre Auguste Ledru-Rollin
Thu Apr 16, 2020, 06:16 PM
Apr 2020

Fat Donnie has this plaque on his desk, right where Truman's "The Buck Stops Here" once sat.

sfstaxprep

(9,998 posts)
3. Three Phases, Huh?
Thu Apr 16, 2020, 04:33 PM
Apr 2020

Sounds simple. Should be able to get through that pretty quickly and be back up and running by May 31.

ProfessorGAC

(65,010 posts)
17. Why So Long?
Thu Apr 16, 2020, 05:06 PM
Apr 2020

Just bing, bing, bing! Done.
That's not a plan.
It's, at best, a rough outline. One that EVERYBODY ELSE HAS!

gldstwmn

(4,575 posts)
44. Exactly. There are no tests,
Thu Apr 16, 2020, 09:35 PM
Apr 2020

no masks, no ventilators, still no God damn toilet paper. To pretend that everything will go back to the way it was is pure folly.
For me personally it's going to be a while before I'd even consider going to a gym, movie theater, shopping mall, etc.

bucolic_frolic

(43,146 posts)
4. Whole lotta hype about an empty non-plan
Thu Apr 16, 2020, 04:33 PM
Apr 2020

That is a "how" to do it. The crucial part is the "when" - the schedule.

Many red states never closed so their time in the hopper is ahead. States that reopen too soon will have redux and be just like red states that never closed.

The Trump plan. Maximum confusion, minimal benefits, detriments to as many as possible. Never a doubt.

bucolic_frolic

(43,146 posts)
25. Oh! How did I miss that BONUS TIME OFFER?
Thu Apr 16, 2020, 05:15 PM
Apr 2020

Kudos to you for picking up the ball and sprinting to the endzone! If this were late night TV we could now halve the price to $39.97 and throw in a few test certificates.

zipplewrath

(16,646 posts)
8. What lawyers are gonna approve this?
Thu Apr 16, 2020, 04:42 PM
Apr 2020

You open your business back up and require people show up to stay employed, and then someone dies. How does that play out in court?

NonPC

(303 posts)
6. I Feel So Enlightened By This Plan
Thu Apr 16, 2020, 04:37 PM
Apr 2020

So this is what the Trump Brain Trust came up with? So this is why they get paid the big bucks...

Kablooie

(18,631 posts)
11. He left it up to the governors so if things go wrong it's their fault, not his. Of course.
Thu Apr 16, 2020, 04:44 PM
Apr 2020

Even though he encourages them to open up before it's safe.

Chainfire

(17,536 posts)
12. What I want to know
Thu Apr 16, 2020, 04:45 PM
Apr 2020

is who is invulnerable to the virus? We don't even know, for sure, that having the virus means you can't get it again or spread it.

We have all sacrificed to slow the spread of the disease and Trump wants to roll the dice and throw all of that away. I am telling you this; they are going to screw this up and people are going to die on the alter of the markets!

When Trump and McConnell go to work in a meat packing plant for a few weeks, then I might reconsider the way I feel about it.
Lead from the front!

blueinredohio

(6,797 posts)
13. If I had kids I don't think I would send them back to school.
Thu Apr 16, 2020, 04:46 PM
Apr 2020

This year anyway. Kids don't understand social distancing when they want to play tag etc. at recess. Classrooms too crowded, buses too crowded and schools don't have room or time to keep them six feet apart.

SheltieLover

(57,073 posts)
21. Schools should be all online
Thu Apr 16, 2020, 05:10 PM
Apr 2020

until a vaccine is administered to all.

Many schools do not even provide soap for hand washing in restrooms!

Zing Zing Zingbah

(6,496 posts)
32. No, the online learning is a joke
Thu Apr 16, 2020, 06:24 PM
Apr 2020

You would know if you had kids right now. I'm not ok with my kids going without education at this crucial time in their lives.

SheltieLover

(57,073 posts)
39. Depends upon how it is facilitated
Thu Apr 16, 2020, 07:51 PM
Apr 2020

And what enrichment is offered to supplement lessons. And how invested students are.

CRK7376

(2,199 posts)
43. I am a high school teacher in
Thu Apr 16, 2020, 09:16 PM
Apr 2020

a Title 1 school and this eLearning is kicking my butt. All my class require written material, articles,worksheets etc...since we have no textbooks. 30% of my kids are actively engaged with the work I assign them. the remaining kids, I have not heard a peep from them since March 13, our last day in the classroom. I'm working harder now that just about anytime since my first year or two in the classroom. i'm not a huge tech person so to create lessons and assignments takes a lot of effort and brain storming on my part and stealing ideas from my colleagues....And as a title 1 school we have lots of kids without computers or internet at home. My school gave out about 700 laptops and Verizon gave us large quantity of Hotspots for help with internet. Lots of kids may have had internet, but if parents are laid off or not working due to COVID-19, then it's a pretty good guess the family is not able to pay for internet or their cell phone service....I can only imagine the k-4 grade crowds, those that are not on computers.....schooling is tough these days.

SheltieLover

(57,073 posts)
48. Sorry to hear of your struggles
Fri Apr 17, 2020, 03:08 AM
Apr 2020

It does take quite a bit of effort to transition to online teaching. I have done it at the college level. Eventually, though, it can actually become easier. Sounds like there is a lack of motivation with student participation, which is unfortunate for sure.

As for the tech issues, perhaps the district can step up & ISPs should be donating service for families who cannot afford service.

Blackboard, while not perfect by any means, is a great tool for teacchers and students. Perhaps your district can look into this or some similar program.

I hope things become easier for you as time goes along!

Zing Zing Zingbah

(6,496 posts)
52. Yes, the other difficult aspect of it is the parents still have to work
Fri Apr 17, 2020, 01:38 PM
Apr 2020

It is incredibly difficult to try to keep your kid working on their e-learning stuff while you are also trying to work. This is a very non-ideal situation, especially for elementary school aged children who don't have the attention span or self discipline yet to just keep working on their own. Web based classes work better for college because those are self motivated adults taking those classes.

SheltieLover

(57,073 posts)
49. Sorry to hear, Ace
Fri Apr 17, 2020, 03:12 AM
Apr 2020

I know it isn't ideal, especially for younger kids, but in my opinion, it's best to err on the side of caution until a vaccine is widely administered.

How much one learns online is relative to how and what is presented, in my oponion. I know ut's not as much fun, but nothing is these days.

Zing Zing Zingbah

(6,496 posts)
33. And I've never heard of a school that doesn't provide soap in the bathrooms
Thu Apr 16, 2020, 06:26 PM
Apr 2020

Where are you getting your information from?

SheltieLover

(57,073 posts)
41. Very true, too!
Thu Apr 16, 2020, 08:00 PM
Apr 2020

👍

Problem is we have obviously become more interdepentent upon our neighbors, coworkers, classmates, etc. for our well being. While there are some nice folks and some smart folks, most do not aporoach daily life in the meticulous manner as if they were entering & departing a biohazard contamination zone & that is precisely what we must do to keep ourselves, our families & communities safe and disease free.

You know the old adage about the weakest link? I am not putting my life in the hands of one of the weak links, personally.

And definitely absolutely would not send a child to school prior to an effective, proven vaccine being administered to all.

We are just now beginning to hear about long-term heart, lung, liver & kidney damage from this horrible pathogen.

Weighing school on premises vs kidney dialysis or other long-term health problems, I will err on the side of caution.

Jake Stern

(3,145 posts)
47. My son's teacher made EVERYONE wash their hands upon entering the room
Fri Apr 17, 2020, 12:23 AM
Apr 2020

The protocol for picking up my son was as follows:

1. Enter room

2. Turn left and walk straight back to sink

3. Wash hands for 20 seconds

4. Use paper towel to dry hands

5. Use paper towel to shut off water

6. Squirt hand sanitizer and rub thoroughly

7. Sign out child

Before the virus I worked as a para on a bus and I always wore gloves on duty and changed them regularly along with practically BATHING in hand sanitizer. Crazy enough that is why we haven't run out of hand sanitizer despite the rush: I already had a couple refill jugs from Costco put away so I wouldn't have to keep buying small bottles of it.

SheltieLover

(57,073 posts)
50. Excellent protocol!
Fri Apr 17, 2020, 03:14 AM
Apr 2020

Lots of folks aren't so conscientious, though, and we all know how this virus spreads...

Zing Zing Zingbah

(6,496 posts)
53. It think it depends on the area
Fri Apr 17, 2020, 01:43 PM
Apr 2020

I'm in New England and my kids elementary school is a fairly new building. It is 10 years old. The more modern schools not only have soap/sinks in the bathrooms, but they have them in some of the classrooms and also in the cafeteria. They make the kids wash their hands before they get their meals.

Jake Stern

(3,145 posts)
46. I felt the same way too.
Fri Apr 17, 2020, 12:13 AM
Apr 2020

Even before the pandemic I was on the "online learning is the way of the future and needs to start now" bandwagon.

This experience has changed that point of view.

My son hates it. Poor kid is only 4 and doesn't fully grasp why he can't do projects or play with his friends on the playground. All he knows is that it's because of "the virus" as he calls it.

The teacher reading The Very Hungry Caterpillar via Zoom is NOT the same as in person and it will never be.

SheltieLover

(57,073 posts)
51. Awwww poor kiddo!
Fri Apr 17, 2020, 03:22 AM
Apr 2020

So sad what dump has caused in our country! My stance about online learning is only for safety until a vaccine is found. I'm absolutely not anti-education whatsoever.

I would just hate to see this virus rip through schools, then have an entire generation with the potential for perhaps lifelong health problems from the resultant organ damage.

This has an RO factor of 5.7, as recently reported. In person attendance without a widely administered vaccine will put a lot of people's lives in danger and perhaps jeopardize students' health going forward.

onetexan

(13,037 posts)
16. Not to mention @sports venues, arenas, concert halls
Thu Apr 16, 2020, 05:05 PM
Apr 2020

What do u do - seatings to skip 6 seats so everyone can stay apart? Lost seats is lost mula. It would not be monetarily feasible for those halls to stay open, not to mention the event promoters.

ProfessorGAC

(65,010 posts)
19. To Be Fair
Thu Apr 16, 2020, 05:08 PM
Apr 2020

Selling 1/6th of the seats is better than none.
So, I suppose it could be done. But, someone would get greedy and sell 1/4th, then 1/3rd and people get sick.

SheltieLover

(57,073 posts)
22. Yes, greed alwsys seems to reign supreme, sadly
Thu Apr 16, 2020, 05:12 PM
Apr 2020

Intention is everything, or nothing, when speaking of repukes. Only intention is greed.

Lock him up.

(6,928 posts)
34. How would anyone make sure spectators keep 6ft. distance in the restrooms??
Thu Apr 16, 2020, 06:58 PM
Apr 2020

At the hot-dog and popcorn stands?

When 20 of em in sections decide to stand up and start going up the stairs, who's gonna keep em 6ft. apart?

Who's gonna check movie goers keep 6ft. apart in the dark? Same with the popcorn stands?

It's just batshit crazy impossible, period.

Bengus81

(6,931 posts)
23. Return to work in phases--Get back here tomorrow or your FIRED!!
Thu Apr 16, 2020, 05:12 PM
Apr 2020

Start making estimates about newly affected in just 7-10 days after this INSANE FAKE President pulls this stunt. I would guess easily 100K.

roamer65

(36,745 posts)
36. If I get that ultimatum, they can fire me and I'll sue for wrongful termination.
Thu Apr 16, 2020, 07:04 PM
Apr 2020

I’ll take ‘em to the cleaners.

Raven123

(4,830 posts)
27. Trump's lame attempt at covering his arse after shooting off his mouth.
Thu Apr 16, 2020, 05:59 PM
Apr 2020

The governors are planning without him. He will try to claim credit for leading the recovery and if the reopening fails, he will blame the governors.

Dem2theMax

(9,651 posts)
28. Repuke neighbor has been whining because she can't go out.
Thu Apr 16, 2020, 06:02 PM
Apr 2020

She only listens to the local news, and of course they play clips of Trump's KKK rally's. And she heard someone say something about 'opening up the country.' So she's excited. She thinks it's going to happen in the next week or so.

Thankfully, we are in California. I told her it's up to the governors of each state, not up to the federal government, as to when we 'open.' And I told her that Governor Newsom has a six-step plan that has to be met before California will start to open.

She's going to get her mammogram this Friday. They have changed her appointment two times, and she's had enough and she's going in. It's not really necessary for her to get a mammogram RIGHT NOW. But is she going to wait? She has a host of underlying health issues. But breast cancer is not one of them. She's in her early 80s and she's very high risk. But damn it, she's going to go get her mammogram!

I am in need of neurosurgery. Should have had it in February. I won't go in to see the neurosurgeon until I feel it is safe. And I just moved my appointment back to June. My GP said that was the wisest choice.

Any state that opens up too early is just going to cause another wave. More people will die. More people will get sick. I think I'll go bang my head against the wall again.



At least I get to sit in my backyard and enjoy the sunshine today.

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