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demmiblue

(36,850 posts)
Thu May 7, 2020, 07:52 AM May 2020

Smartphone data shows out-of-state visitors flocked to Georgia as restaurants and other businesses r

Source: WaPo

One week after Georgia allowed dine-in restaurants, hair salons and other businesses to reopen, an additional 62,440 visitors arrived there daily, most from surrounding states where such businesses remained shuttered, according to an analysis of smartphone location data.

Researchers at the University of Maryland say the data provides some of the first hard evidence that reopening some state economies ahead of others could potentially worsen and prolong the spread of the novel coronavirus. Any impetus to travel, public health experts say, increases the number of people coming into contact with each other and raises the risk of transmission.

“It's exactly the kind of effects we've been worried about,” said Meagan Fitzpatrick, an assistant professor at the University of Maryland School of Medicine.

“This is not an unpredictable outcome with businesses opening in one location and people going to seek services there,” said Fitzpatrick, who has reviewed the findings by the university's Maryland Transportation Institute.

Read more: https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/trafficandcommuting/smartphone-data-shows-out-of-state-visitors-flocked-to-georgia-as-restaurants-and-other-businesses-reopened/2020/05/06/b1db0056-8faf-11ea-9e23-6914ee410a5f_story.html?utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=wp_main

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Smartphone data shows out-of-state visitors flocked to Georgia as restaurants and other businesses r (Original Post) demmiblue May 2020 OP
There should be a $25 toll to cross state lines unless you are doing it for work. Squinch May 2020 #1
All that is going to do is make more states reopen Jamastiene May 2020 #2
Way to help the virus spread! Yay our team. yardwork May 2020 #3
New Brunswick Canada blocks non-essential travel into province. No new cases 14 days. Bernardo de La Paz May 2020 #4
Are we the stupidest people on the planet? PatSeg May 2020 #5
Yes. liberalmuse May 2020 #7
There is a large segment of our society PatSeg May 2020 #12
"Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness".... luvtheGWN May 2020 #17
The thing is, Americans can be super smart. liberalmuse May 2020 #24
And especially in an age PatSeg May 2020 #27
Yeah, pretty much. TV on steroids for 2 generations and now the internet -- you can make Nay May 2020 #13
They were far less harmful PatSeg May 2020 #25
Boy those diehard racist nazis in the South are crazy! ananda May 2020 #6
More South bashing on DU greymattermom May 2020 #10
I'm in the south. I'm not offended at the truth. BComplex May 2020 #36
Then there's the preprint showing one city was the source of much of the infection Igel May 2020 #33
They don't know where in GA the people went? Hmm Laura PourMeADrink May 2020 #8
It won't be long gab13by13 May 2020 #9
Canada - US border closed except for essential travel (truckers, returnees) . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz May 2020 #14
Of course this was predicted and now it's reality..... Bengus81 May 2020 #11
In Pennsylvania the state liquor stores closed in mid-March for the lockdown FakeNoose May 2020 #15
Liquor and beer stores, grocery stores and pharmacies luvtheGWN May 2020 #18
Pennsylvania is a weird situation for alcohol sales FakeNoose May 2020 #23
NC and SC have state run liquor stores too Rae May 2020 #29
Didn't know that - IMHO it's a bad system FakeNoose May 2020 #30
Yeah, we all hate it down here Rae May 2020 #32
The liquor sales in NC bring in a great deal of money to the State. We have been closed BComplex May 2020 #37
Welcome to Georgia! WVreaper May 2020 #16
if this virus really was at war with people Roc2020 May 2020 #19
Forrest's Momma was right. Jakes Progress May 2020 #20
And there's no vaccine for stupid tavernier May 2020 #31
The biggest problem I have with this is that this data is being collect and made accessible Snake Plissken May 2020 #21
kind of what I'm thinking... dhill926 May 2020 #28
Hordes of people flooding across borders, Wednesdays May 2020 #22
This is what I am afraid will happen if RI opens before MA and CT n/t Marrah_Goodman May 2020 #26
A lack of a comprehensive national policy (fostered by trump the ignorant) will cause the CV to... SWBTATTReg May 2020 #34
I'm sorry, but I can't imagine a democrat doing this. BComplex May 2020 #35
Doubting this happened Tenngal May 2020 #38
Pretty sure it did. They have been tracking the data mercuryblues May 2020 #39

Squinch

(50,949 posts)
1. There should be a $25 toll to cross state lines unless you are doing it for work.
Thu May 7, 2020, 08:05 AM
May 2020

Those assholes are 1) killing people and 2) screwing up all the progress the rest of us have made.

Jamastiene

(38,187 posts)
2. All that is going to do is make more states reopen
Thu May 7, 2020, 08:11 AM
May 2020

too soon, because the leaders in other states want to keep that money in their own state.

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,001 posts)
4. New Brunswick Canada blocks non-essential travel into province. No new cases 14 days.
Thu May 7, 2020, 08:19 AM
May 2020

People who do have a reason to come in (returning residents for example) have to self-isolate for 14 days. And self-isolate means no grocery shopping, no walks, nothing.

People are being turned around at the provincial borders.

The result: New Brunswick went 14 days with no new cases, and just one or two in the past couple of days.

It is opening up a few businesses, slowly, like many places in Canada, except Ontario which has the highest case load.

PatSeg

(47,430 posts)
5. Are we the stupidest people on the planet?
Thu May 7, 2020, 08:39 AM
May 2020

What kind of risks will people take to eat in a restaurant or get a haircut? How disturbing and embarrassing.

liberalmuse

(18,672 posts)
7. Yes.
Thu May 7, 2020, 09:29 AM
May 2020

Americans are the stupidest people on the planet. Thank the right wing think tanks and media for that. The populace is brainwashed. Education and science are mocked. Religious superstition is encouraged because these people will vote against their own interests to save a fetus, then show contempt and utter disregard for sentient beings. Americans as a collective are also incredibly selfish and self-centered.

PatSeg

(47,430 posts)
12. There is a large segment of our society
Thu May 7, 2020, 09:51 AM
May 2020

that has been feeding on a steady diet of reality TV for years and they believe it IS reality. The same people of course get their news from Fox News and right-wing radio. They didn't become this way overnight. I can understand how many of them became brainwashed and believe in bizarre conspiracy theories, but I'll never understand the cruelty and insensitivity towards other people. They want what they want when they want it and everyone else be damned.

liberalmuse

(18,672 posts)
24. The thing is, Americans can be super smart.
Thu May 7, 2020, 11:32 AM
May 2020

But to waste your mind like that and actually choose to be dumb. What a waste!

PatSeg

(47,430 posts)
27. And especially in an age
Thu May 7, 2020, 12:47 PM
May 2020

where almost any information is at one's fingertips 24 hours a day. This should have been a golden age of learning and growth.

Nay

(12,051 posts)
13. Yeah, pretty much. TV on steroids for 2 generations and now the internet -- you can make
Thu May 7, 2020, 09:55 AM
May 2020

people believe and do anything if you repeat it often enough through those 2 media.

PatSeg

(47,430 posts)
25. They were far less harmful
Thu May 7, 2020, 12:45 PM
May 2020

when they didn't get off their couches, but then they took their ignorant beliefs to the streets and even worse the polling place. There was a time when such people didn't vote and showed no interest in politics or world events. They watched the dumbest television programming for decades, so I guess it was an easy progression to go from Jerry Springer and professional wrestling to Fox News, then social media on the Internet. Because some of their reality TV has the word "News" in it, they assume they are well informed.

It took years, poor education, and bad television to create these herds of zombies. It might take a virus to get rid of them, if deprogramming isn't an option.

greymattermom

(5,754 posts)
10. More South bashing on DU
Thu May 7, 2020, 09:40 AM
May 2020

Don't you think people would travel from Minnesota to Wisconsin if one state opened? Watch Keisha on the news if you want to see the real face of Georgia.

Igel

(35,300 posts)
33. Then there's the preprint showing one city was the source of much of the infection
Thu May 7, 2020, 01:49 PM
May 2020

in the US. Not a southern city.

There was pushback against a couple of red (or reddish) states when they tried to stop travel from more infected areas into their states.

When it was Rhode Island, people objected until the name and politics of the state was pointed out, upon which pushback became, essentially, "Oh, okay then, I guess."

It's not just a southern thing. Fostering the perception that it is just leads to half-truth. We saw it in Wuhan, we saw it in nothern Italy, and we saw it in NYC. The infection spreads via the hosts. To stop the infection, you stop the hosts. It's fine when we can blame those we want to blame. Harder to blame New Yorkers.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
8. They don't know where in GA the people went? Hmm
Thu May 7, 2020, 09:38 AM
May 2020

So they know where people came from but only that they went to GA?

Strikes me that unless you show growth in border area influx why couldn't some of be Atlanta airport hub then, as more people fly.

Remember seeing heat map of Ft Lauderdale during and after spring break and you could see where people went.

Bengus81

(6,931 posts)
11. Of course this was predicted and now it's reality.....
Thu May 7, 2020, 09:44 AM
May 2020

Remember when Texas was checking for Louisiana ID's at the State line? Maybe still are.

FakeNoose

(32,639 posts)
15. In Pennsylvania the state liquor stores closed in mid-March for the lockdown
Thu May 7, 2020, 10:01 AM
May 2020

...and immediately there was an influx of Pennsylvanians crossing over to West Virginia and Ohio to purchase liquor in those stores where individual retails owners could decide whether to stay open or close.

Immediately there was an outpouring of resentment by the local residents towards PA people crossing the state border, so what did they do? Instead of sensibly closing their liquor stores (since they were nonessential) the neighbor states required every customer to show a WV driver's license to purchase in West Virginia, or an OH license to purchase in Ohio.

Of course this is going to happen everywhere. People from out of state are coming to you, if you choose to ignore the quarantine. Isn't this the reason why you're doing it? Why else would you take the risk? No place - and no person - is safe until we have an effective vaccine.


luvtheGWN

(1,336 posts)
18. Liquor and beer stores, grocery stores and pharmacies
Thu May 7, 2020, 10:14 AM
May 2020

were (and are) considered essential in Ontario and remained open. Of course, with all the extra financial costs caused by Covid-19 for the province, it was "essential" that the province continued to receive tax revenues from liquor and beer sales!

FakeNoose

(32,639 posts)
23. Pennsylvania is a weird situation for alcohol sales
Thu May 7, 2020, 11:25 AM
May 2020

We have state-run liquor stores that control the sale of wine and spirits. However for nearly 100 years beer can be sold through private retail beer distributors and breweries (by the case or keg) and also private bar/tavern owners are allowed to sell 6-packs of beer to take out.

We are literally the last state in the Union to change this setup that's a holdover from the end of Prohibition Era in 1933. So we haven't gone completely retail yet, but we're slowly moving away from state control of liquor sales into retail sales. It has taken a lot of legislation to get this far! A few grocery store chains have applied for and received licenses to sell beer and wine - that was a major step for us almost 10 years ago. Eventually there will be privately owned retail liquor stores (and the PA state stores will slowly close) but we're not there yet, and now this pandemic happened.

I think the pandemic has made everyone realize what a PITA it is to have one entity (namely our governor) who makes a decision to close everything in one fell swoop. We went from everything open to nothing open in a matter of days.


 

Rae

(84 posts)
29. NC and SC have state run liquor stores too
Thu May 7, 2020, 01:03 PM
May 2020

They never closed. So Pennsylvania isn't the only state.

FakeNoose

(32,639 posts)
30. Didn't know that - IMHO it's a bad system
Thu May 7, 2020, 01:22 PM
May 2020

It's a throwback to ending the corruption of the Prohibition Era. There was a LOT of it in Pennsylvania, as I have learned. Gangsters, mobsters, bootleggers, crooked politicians, corrupt cops, we had it all here.

Now we have State Stores. Not corrupt, but horribly inefficient and unresponsive to the market.



 

Rae

(84 posts)
32. Yeah, we all hate it down here
Thu May 7, 2020, 01:32 PM
May 2020

There has been talk of changing that in NC, but there's a lot of money to be made by the state. I'm from Illinois originally, so the system was quite the shock when I moved down. Can't buy on Sundays, extra shopping trip required to get hard liquor...and of course the taxes. It's nuts.

BComplex

(8,050 posts)
37. The liquor sales in NC bring in a great deal of money to the State. We have been closed
Thu May 7, 2020, 07:28 PM
May 2020

down since early on (March 23? I think), and our state isn't going broke like a lot of states. I think state control of alcoholic beverage sales is a good thing. The employees are all State employees, and if they get caught (always the security cameras are rolling) selling to drunk people or minors, they can lose their jobs (pensions, insurance, etc.). A quick phone call brings the ABC Officers (Alcoholic Beverage Control) quickly to the store.

I think it's a good system. There are always those who want to "privatize" everything. But so far, NC has kept a good thing going.

Roc2020

(1,616 posts)
19. if this virus really was at war with people
Thu May 7, 2020, 10:40 AM
May 2020

the best idea to kill as much people as possible is knowing many cannot resist the temptation to crowd together and go back to how is was. 'how is was' mentality is the virus best and most lethal weapon.

Wednesdays

(17,367 posts)
22. Hordes of people flooding across borders,
Thu May 7, 2020, 10:57 AM
May 2020

packing restaurants and other businesses. In the middle of a pandemic.

What could possibly go wrong?

SWBTATTReg

(22,118 posts)
34. A lack of a comprehensive national policy (fostered by trump the ignorant) will cause the CV to...
Thu May 7, 2020, 02:11 PM
May 2020

fester and continue onwards until it burns through the entire population. Very sad and avoidable. Points to the fact that a new leader/president is needed at the front lines. Otherwise...

 

Tenngal

(19 posts)
38. Doubting this happened
Thu May 7, 2020, 07:41 PM
May 2020

I live about 20 miles from the GA line and have not been aware of anyone doing this so I doubt the story.

mercuryblues

(14,531 posts)
39. Pretty sure it did. They have been tracking the data
Fri May 8, 2020, 02:39 PM
May 2020
In the week after Georgia businesses reopened April 24, a total daily average of 546,159 people traveled there from other states. That included 62,440 more trips daily than in the week before the reopenings — a 13 percent increase, said Lei Zhang, the lead researcher and institute's director. The trips were measured using anonymized location data in smartphone apps.

<snip>

For example, Zhang said, the biggest jump — 17 percent — came from Florida, where some beaches had reopened but most businesses deemed unessential remained closed until this week.


NC, SC, FL, AL, and TN all border GA. 62,440 is more visitors is not a stretch.
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