SWEDEN'S CORONAVIRUS DEATH TOLL 'HORRIFYING' SAYS SCIENTIST BEHIND COUNTRY'S ANTI-LOCKDOWN STRATEGY

[Roc2020]

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Source: Newsweek

No. The Sweden model didn't work Trumpers. It's a colossal failure and now they are paying the price.

Read more: https://www.newsweek.com/sweden-coronavirus-deaths-children-lockdown-1502548

[CountAllVotes]

1. Equals a death rate of 12.5%

So much for "herd immunity"!

Not good, not good at all Sweden!!!

[sandensea]

4. A real shock, coming from a country known for a very humanist and vigorous social policy

All the more so since the current prime minister, Stefan Lofven, is a Social Democrat - the very party that created the nation's renowned welfare state.

Disappointing and shameful.

[Ford_Prefect]

2. Sadly we knew this was coming and it will devastate several generations at once.

This did NOT need to happen. What in the world informed them it would work?

[Roc2020]

12. Maybe they heard the UK PM

and decided hey that may work. gambling with lives.

[Moostache]

3. Why do the Profits Over People crowd not understand this is bad?

Serious question...

Why is it that not even objectively obvious death tolls (anywhere you look really) can shake them from the ideology that we (humanity) need to "reopen" our economies and/or get 'back to normal' faster to save the economy?

There is no going back, at least not collectively; and not immediately in the numbers and consumption necessary to support the system that was built-up to favor Capital over Labor to such an extent that literally EVERYTHING was intent on driving out costs (ie. security, salaries and benefits to workers or raw material inputs that might require environmental protections as part of their true price) and jack up profits (allowing offshoring to avoid taxes, allowing outsourcing to avoid labor, allowing 'externalities' to avoid environmental costs)...that model, the one that has collapsed in the USA to the tune of nearly 25-30% unemployment and depression-level contraction in GDP, has been throw off a building and splattered like a watermelon on David Letterman's show circa 1982.

We are going to have to face a new reality, that the old model which built that specific, exploitative economy and was so kind to the few at the top and so punitive to the majority of the rest of the populations is dead.

There are many voices saying "The King is dead, Long Live the King!"

I prefer to view this as maybe our last collective chance to say "The King is dead, why the fuck did we allow a king again in the first place?"

We have economic ruins, we have massive structural problems, we have an ecology in collapse and in need of a fundamental change to our way of thinking and acting.

This things are NOT independent of each other, and the solution to ALL of them is the same - we either change, adapt and invent a NEW economic model to handle not only COVID-19 but also the other issues like topsoil erosion. dead zones in the seas, coral bleaching, ice cap melting, CO2 levels spiraling out of control like a COVID-19 hotspot (geometrically increasing instead of linear growth)...

The problems are so big and our current 'leaders' so small and so overwhelmed...

[yankee87]

16. Capital over Labor

I agree. When I was young, there was a social contract between a company and an employee. But since Ronnie Raygun, with the destruction of unions, the taxing of labor at a greater rate than gambling, CEOs only caring about Wall Street, it has been a steady downhill slide for what used to be the middle class. I truly am scared for both my retirement and my children's future. With no defined pensions, the gig economy, the destruction of worker rights, the ripping away of environmental regulations since then has to be turned around.

[LastDemocratInSC]

18. Here's Honest Abe's opinion on labor vs. capital

"Labor is prior to, and independent of, capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration."

Here's an article about it:

https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/1127058/amp

[yankee87]

22. Honest Abe

Truer words have never been spoken.

[Native]

24. Thanks for this.

[aggiesal]

21. I call it ...

Greed
Over
People

[TheFarseer]

5. Isn't that way less deaths per capita than the US?

Not that we are doing awesome. . .

[LisaL]

7. No, it isn't.

[DrToast]

9. Worse than the US

But not as bad as UK, Spain and Italy.

I honestly though things would be much worse in Sweden by now.

[LisaL]

10. Don't know how things would get for Sweeden, but I am pretty sure they are about

to get a whole lot worse for US, with states opening up.

[Native]

26. Wasn't the 2nd wave of the 1918 Pandemic worse than the first?

And hasn't that generally been the case with previous epidemics/pandemics?

If the same happens again, it's gonna be a hell of a ride.

[democrattotheend]

19. Same here

Their deaths per million are only a little bit worse than ours.

A lot of things haven't made sense - some of the states that locked down the least have had lower death rates than states that locked down more heavily or earlier. Kentucky locked down long before Tennessee, and thus Tennessee has many more cases per million, but somehow Kentucky has more deaths per million.

[TheFarseer]

15. Ok, I worked it out

If 9.8 mil live in Sweden and there’s 3040 deaths or .031% and the US has 329 mil and 76,421 deaths or .023% then you are correct. Sweden’s rate is worse.

[Thekaspervote]

17. The population of Sweden..just checked 2020 10,089,500. 12.5% death toll

You can do the math

[janterry]

6. This implies that he thinks it's a failure and it's not what he said

What he has said is that no one will know until the pandemic is over -

You can't measure data in the middle and think it's conclusive.

[Blues Heron]

8. it's criminal to let a deadly disease spread, period

You can't leave it up to the populace because left to their own devices they will spread it far and wide. You have to test, trace and isolate. This isn't the sniffles. Sweden committed murder here with this policy.

[dalton99a]

13. +1. The sick and vulnerable had no say and no voice in this decision.

It's downright barbaric

[Roc2020]

14. Exactly. That's why leaders are supposed to lead

to prevent the masses from behaving in ways that may negatively affect the State, that's why the masses elected them. And they Fail. Just awful!

[brewens]

11. The majority of deaths in their "elder care" facilities. It was keeping it out of those that

I understood was a key part of their plan. I went looking for numbers on that a week or so ago when I saw this being touted as a rationale for how we should have handled it. My thought was that if they managed to keep those clear there and it didn't turn out too bad, there was no justification that we'd get good results because we already blew that one.

[patphil]

20. I've been monitoring the numbers from Sweden. If that's success, I'd hate to see failure.

[regnaD kciN]

23. Oh, to live in a country...

...where 3,000 coronavirus deaths is considered "horrifying," instead of "just another day of business-as-usual."

[LisaL]

25. Do you understand that Sweden has only 10 million population?

Their 3,000 is almost 100,000 of US equivalent deaths.

[AtheistCrusader]

27. Neighboring Countries.

Finland, population 5.4m, 250 deaths.
Sweden, population 9.8m, 3022 deaths.

That seems like negligence to me.

[Omaha Steve]

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