Sanders: 'The day after Biden's elected we're going to have a serious debate'

[left-of-center2012]

Source: The Hill

Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) on Friday reaffirmed his commitment to electing Joe Biden president, but said the Democratic nominee’s victory in November would be followed by a “serious debate” about the direction of the country.

“We’re going to come together to defeat Trump,” Sanders told "The Daily Show" host Trevor Noah on Friday. “And the day after Biden is elected, we’re going to have a serious debate about the future of this country, but it will be done within the framework of a democratic society.”

The Vermont senator’s remarks presage a coming push by progressives to wield more influence in the Democratic Party and within a potential Biden administration.

Sanders acknowledged his differences with Biden on Friday. But he said that unity among competing political factions — progressives, moderates and even conservatives — is necessary to stave off President Trump’s reelection.

Read more: https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/513091-sanders-the-day-after-bidens-elected-were-going-to-have-a-serious-debate

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“What you’re seeing now is what I would call a united front of people of many different points of view,” Sanders told Noah. “You have some honest conservatives who are saying 'you know what, I’m a conservative, but we gotta get rid of this guy because he is just not what America is supposed to be about.' And you’re working with progressives. So this is what coalition politics is about.”

[LizBeth]

1. Sanders just has to keep it going, cannot stop. Letting everyone know, really, just not good enough.

I am so done with this man. We have many Democrats more progressive than him> We do not need to be schooled by Sanders. We got this. Harris, Warren, Gillibrand all being ahead of Sanders.

[jorgevlorgan]

4. What exactly did he say that you have a problem with?

That we will be having a serious discussion about the future of the country within a democratic framework after Biden wins? Or that we need everybody to come together of all ideologies to defeat Trump?

[LizBeth]

14. Discussion? I read debate.

We have progressives way beyond Sanders and I am done with him telling us his way is the only way while our progressives kick his ass. He has no place schooling us in progressiveness. If he would hush long enough, and actually listen, Sanders may learn a thing or two.

[jorgevlorgan]

16. That's how democracy works.

Do you prefer we didn't debate about solutions once democracy is won back?

[LizBeth]

19. Sanders is one of the reasons we are where we are today, and he continues.

As much as you defend his right to continue to cause problems, I have AT LEAST that right to call him on it.

[jorgevlorgan]

20. (citation needed)

If anything, Bernie is the reason we have any hope to get out of this mess. Bernie and Biden both are.

[LizBeth]

22. (no, it is not needed)

[jorgevlorgan]

24. He wasn't the nominee in 2016. Isn't the nominee in 2020.

He endorsed both candidates, and if anybody is going to be responsible for Trump's election, I would point out the FUCKING MORONS who denied all along there was any chance for Trump to get elected in the first place. Bernie was definitely not one of them.

[LizBeth]

39. I disagree Sanders was not a part of the damage done to the very end.

[jorgevlorgan]

42. And I disagree with whether this is even a discussion that should be had.

We need to be unified in beating Trump. Bashing key allies in the process isn't helping. Let's focus on the prize, and at least make the prospect of debating diverse issues in a democracy a possibility again. Because, right now, it really isn't.

Stop Fighting and start

-Phone Banking for Joe Biden

-Donating to Joe Biden

-Winning for Joe Biden!

[LizBeth]

55. Ah. So you discuss the necessity of "debate" while telling me this conversation isn't necessary. Lol

Ironic that. I think it absolutely an example of what I am saying, Sanders approach.

[jorgevlorgan]

56. I discuss the necessity of debate AFTER the election

We'll carry on after that. In the meantime, how many calls/donations/door knockings have you done?

Let's win this thing!

[LizBeth]

58. And on and on and on. So, I stand with my initial comment and we can be done.

[jorgevlorgan]

60. Sure.

Um. But I do hope you are contributing in some way to Biden winning. I know DU as a whole has done a lot. Let's keep up the good work and try to stay positive if you can

[LizBeth]

66. Sure, um, but....

[jorgevlorgan]

69. Good luck, Liz

Take care

[LanternWaste]

43. (citation needed, part II, ibid strikes back)

"Bernie is the reason we have any hope to get out of this mess"

Objective evidence to support a measured premise available?



Or just another bumper sticker while asking others to provide what you refuse to?

[jorgevlorgan]

45. This isn't even a discussion worth having

How many phone calls for Biden have you made? So far I've done a few dozen, and donated 100 bucks. Should be more and will be more. Let's keep our eyes on the prize.

Donate

Phone bank

Vote!!

[MrsCoffee]

98. We shouldn't be discussing this shit, but Bernie just can't help himself.

He should have just buttoned it and tried sticking with the unity route just once.

But he didn’t. He always has to mix in some sort of spoiler.

So WE ARE having this discussion thanks to him.

Why on earth do people twist themselves in knots to justify Bernie’s bitter musings? He won’t be calling any shots. Joe will.

[LizBeth]

103. I found that ironic telling me we weren't to have the conversation when it was Sanders that

started the conversation, for sure. Excellent post MrsCoffee.

[The Magistrate]

105. True, Ma'am

He just can't keep from adding that extra sentence....

Knowing when to stop is the mark of the true artist.

[betsuni]

108. He has said he loves spoilers.

From his autobiography, (and we're constantly told how consistent and authentic Bernie is, so I'm sure this hasn't changed ): "I began the race as a 'spoiler.' (Oh, how I love that word, with its implications of the sacrosanct nature of the two-party system.)"

[Fiendish Thingy]

33. Dems can have unity of purpose, and debate the means to achieve their goals

Without debate, we would be no better than lock step Trumpsters.

[LizBeth]

41. And again I say, I am tired of Sanders thinking he is the only one when many of our Dems are more

progressive than he is, selling our party short.

[jorgevlorgan]

76. ...

CLICK --------->>>>> https://joebiden.com/make-calls-for-joe/

[machoneman]

100. Had Bernie dropped out and offered full-throated support of Hillary Clinton, she would have won!

That's my take and I'm stickin' to it!

[LizBeth]

102. Point!

[betsuni]

107. Yes.

[Mr.Bill]

7. I don't know,

I think it's okay if Bernie wants to remind his followers that their issues will have a seat at the table.

But if Bernie starts making any specific demands before Nov 3rd, that would be crossing a line.

[LizBeth]

17. Or maybe Sanders ought to be honest enough to let his followers know that there are many Democrats

that are more progressive than Sanders himself in Bidens sphere and we can trust in that we are well on our way. Instead he comes off confrontational, not good enough and he is going to be continuing to take the Democrats on, while that is not true nor needed, nor productive, nor correct.

[Mr.Bill]

18. Well, I can't argue with that, either. n/t

[madaboutharry]

2. The day after Biden is elected Americans are going to be busy having a sigh of relief.

Sen. Sanders isn't ever going to be president and it is still pissing him off.

This comment is completely gratuitous and it just reminded me how annoying Bernie can be.

Biden has given every indication that he plans to reach out to All Democrats, along with any other people who want to restore our democracy.

Bernie needs to stop making things about Bernie.

[jorgevlorgan]

9. No. We will be still fighting toget the oversized infected pimple out of the white house

while likely fighting litigation in every state as quickly as possible to make sure the electors vote the way they should, while also discussing the future of our country. The fight doesn't stop after somebody is elected, and to think we can even spend any time "sighing" doesn't reflect the immediate urgency of the situation we are in.

[Mr.Bill]

3. I'll just be happy after Jan 20th

that I can ignore the news for a few days now and then without wondering if my country is being destroyed today.

[awesomerwb1]

5. He should get a post office named after him

And then just leave.

[texasleo]

6. Is he a Democrat yet?

[Mister Ed]

8. That's what I would hope for him to do. It's called democracy.

I want him to work like hell to throw out the Republicans in November, and then work like hell to pass the sort of progressive legislation that he and his supporters want. That's the way it should have been in 2016, and that's the way it should be now.

[jorgevlorgan]

10. The anti sanders posts are amazing.

We discuss things within the framework of democracy when we have democracy. Right now however, we are fighting to keep democracy. Unless we won that battle November 3, there isn't much more that can be done, except to keep a unified front against authoritarianism. But at that point, it likely won't be long until the executions begin. Bashing each other isn't helping. Looking forward to discussing solutions after we won back democracy, does.

[katmondoo]

25. He should let it go, he had his time in the sun.

[jorgevlorgan]

26. Let what go?

Trying to make sure we can move democracy forward once we save it? Reminding his supporters they have a seat at the table still is reminding them of the need to vote. He didn't do that in 2016, and one of the biggest reasons we lost was because a lot of folks didn't feel like they had a seat at the table, and that it wasn't worth voting. That reminder could make all the difference this year.

[airplaneman]

31. Thank you jorgevlorgan - I was going to post but after reading all the anti sanders I decided not

Your post encouraged me to say something.
The anti-populism in this country and even in the Democratic party is indeed amazing.
You can see it by AOC being given 60 second
Bill Clinton gloating about Sanders being kicked to the curve.
Biden saying -Of the People By the People and For the People - We can do anything we want - to which I recall he has said if M4A gets to my desk I will veto it.
I am not trying to bash anybody - I just want healthy discussion encouraging all to have their say in a democratic manner but the anti-populism and anti-Sanders worries me that we cannot even do that.
-Airplane

[jorgevlorgan]

36. I'm glad!

Thank you!

At the end of the day though, all I care about is electing Biden. And we should avoid trying to fight with each other over dumb things like this, if we want to maintain unified up till November. Make no mistake, Biden MUST WIN.

[luv2fly]

72. Yesterday in a different post I commented on this

The anti Bernie folks were running rampant and I said it was predictable. Somebody didn't like it and my post got removed. I've appealed, but I've learned appeals don't always even get a response.

[jorgevlorgan]

77. They are inevitable.

But the goal of winning is far more important. If you can, please donate, phone bank and vote for Joe Biden!

Click ---->>https://joebiden.com/make-calls-for-joe/

[Mickju]

11. Why can't he just shut up?

[jorgevlorgan]

13. What exactly did he say that bothered you?

The part about the unified front or debating solutions forward after we won back democracy? Bashing allies isn't helpful at this point, nor is telling them to shut up.

[George II]

46. Read the subject line of the OP. Yes, bashing allies isn't helpful. Please advise Sanders of that.

[jorgevlorgan]

47. How much money have you given to Biden so far?

Calls made?

Infighting is not getting Joe Biden elected. Donating and phonebanking is.

Let's keep our eyes on the prize and click the link below!

[George II]

48. I've contributed about a dozen times so far, I don't make phone calls anymore. Back in February....

...I drove two hours to New Hampshire to knock on doors for him for a day and a half prior to their Primary.

You?

[jorgevlorgan]

50. Thank you so much for all you have done, George!

It is indeed more than me. I have made only a few dozen phone calls -but plan to do more as Wednesdays have been designated as our call days -and donated 4 times (about 10 bucks each). Are they allowing people to canvass? If so, I may plan a trip to Nevada in the near future.

Do you know of a link to sign up to canvass? I would like to add it to my signature!

Together, we will win this!

[George II]

61. On Biden's campaign website I'm sure there's a link to "local events" or something like that....

I originally signed up back in January through our state Democratic Party.

[jorgevlorgan]

63. I've signed up a ton to volunteer (not an event though) but still haven't been called by any FO

I'll check out the local events to find something. Thanks!

[George II]

64. What state are you in (if you don't mind telling us)?

[jorgevlorgan]

65. CA

so yeah.. far away from most swing states. Nevada is, like NH for you, just a few hours away for me though. I will be eyeing some events out there soon.

[George II]

68. California is huge, there probably are a bunch of organizations putting together phone bank...

...events from home. If you phone bank, with a cell phone, they'll give you a list of out of state numbers in tight states to call.

I doubt there will be many live events anywhere. Just check your county or city Democratic Party website. Most have lists of things people can sign up for.

[jorgevlorgan]

71. Thanks so much!

The PPB has been working pretty well, I just have to use my own cell phone. The link in my signature actually lets you phone bank virtually completely on your own. It just takes initiative which can be tough sometimes.

[George II]

70. Plus, there won't be much going on until after Labor Day anyway. Mid-September is when it really...

...heats up.

[jorgevlorgan]

73. Got it!

Mid september will be key, for sure! We gotta get as many people to early vote as possible!

One of my favorite videos from 2012. I'll watch it a few times to get me going. COVID has changed most of the realities though...

[Cha]

78. The subject is: " Read the subject line of the OP. Yes, bashing allies isn't helpful. Please advise

Sanders of that"

It's about Sanders.. not how much George gave to Biden.

Please Advise Sanders to " Let's keep our eyes on the prize... "

We've had our "Serious Debate" Long Grueling Months of it and Joe Biden Won.

[jorgevlorgan]

86. My goal is to get Biden elected.

We can't do that if we bash our allies or Sanders for every little thing we don't like.



Click------->https://joebiden.com/make-calls-for-joe/

[Cha]

87. Please Advise Sanders to " Let's keep our eyes on the prize... "

Your distracting from the subject isn't working for me.

[jorgevlorgan]

89. He's doing just that.

Red herrings and strawmen don't make it any less the case.

Don't forget to phone bank!

https://joebiden.com/make-calls-for-joe/

[Cha]

90. Please stop throwing out the "red herrings & strawman" accusations.

The day Joe Biden is Elected if we're so damn lucky.. trump will be Destroying America Even More So.

We will be fighting to STOP trump.. Sanders should know that. He needs to Keep his eyes on the PRIZE.

[MrsCoffee]

112. Quit spamming ffs.

[Auggie]

38. I agree. Keep a lid on it until after the election.

[Cha]

91. Especially knowing that the Day after Biden is Elected is the

Day trump starts tearing apart America even more Deadly.. That's When we'll be Fighting to STOP trumPutin!

[roamer65]

12. Biden isn't the president-elect until Congress confirms the electoral votes.

That is like around Dec 12th I do believe.

[jorgevlorgan]

15. It's going to be a fight just make sure he's officially the president elect even after he wins.

[JI7]

21. We are going to name 200 post offices in first 100 days

[displacedtexan]

62. Clever.

You know your history!

[2naSalit]

23. How about the day after he's inaugurated?

Make sure all the proper procedures are followed.

Remember back when Obama was first elected back in '08?
Remember how they assembled their team between the election and inauguration?
Remember how they had a call for professionals to apply for jobs in the new administration?

I do.

I'd bet that sort of assemblage is already happening and probably has been for some time.

[Squinch]

27. The day after Biden is elected will not be about BS.

[empedocles]

30. . . . or any other bs. The real agenda, majority vote supported, will be about

what the Election directed - an enormous work to be done.

[JI7]

28. Why doesn't he do anything about the Vermont prisoners in out of state private prisons

who became infected with covid ?

[empedocles]

34. This continuous refusal by some Dems to learn anything from 2018 is . . .

[Cha]

84. Sounds like a Worthwhile endeavor to work on in Vermont.

[CaptainTruth]

29. Um, the day after Biden's elected Trump will probably go into all-out destruction mode.

It won't be a time for debating, it'll be a time for doing everything we can to prevent Trump from burning it all down on his way out the door.

We can debate after January 20.

[Cha]

79. Exactly! TY for the reality check, CT!

[certainot]

32. best thing bernie/left can do to move the country to left is stop ignoring talk radio

[flibbitygiblets]

35. It's not that I disagree with Bernie's intention

Yes, we need to have a dialogue. That's what politics is about: One team wants thing A, one team wants thing B, and they come together, there's give-and-take, and together they come up with a plan.

The problem I've always had with Bernie, and maybe this is just my take on it, but he doesn't seem to get that. He's kind of "my way or the highway", which is why I'd be worried if he were the nominee. Because if he were the president, there's a pretty good chance nothing would get done.

I agree with many of his policies. I don't think he has what it takes to get them implemented. Just MHO.

[PatSeg]

52. For a second, I thought I'd written that comment!

I've said very similar sentiments numerous times, especially your last sentence. And I had been a Sanders fan for many years.

[still_one]

53. It is what is called compromise. It is not either my way or nothing

[George II]

37. Now is NOT the time to talk about this, Bernie.....

....in the spring, and Democrats made their choice. The primaries are over and the nomination for President is set.

You say "unity among competing political factions — progressives, moderates and even conservatives — is necessary to stave off President Trump’s reelection."

How about talking to YOUR people (Turner, Sirota, West, Gray, etc.) about this. Nina Turner was already on CNN this morning, less than 12 hours after Biden officially became OUR nominee and the convention closed, complaining about the Democratic Party. Talk to HER!

[still_one]

49. Yes, and this "coalition" he refers to is not just made up of who HE characterizes as progressive

As for the Turner's, Sirota's Wests, and Grays, two them have already said they would not vote Biden, and would become founding members of a third party running against the Democratic party. The other two have not said whether they would or would not vote for Biden, but have been actively involved in undermining the Biden candidacy through various medium outlets.

From my perspective, they are NOT part this coalition, because of the very fact that they cannot even say they will vote for Biden in the General Election

This is NOT going to be a redo of 2016

[George II]

57. He was complaining that there weren't enough "progressive" speakers at the Convention. But...

....according to Progressive Punch, of the six Senators who were candidates, here they are by rank for their "progressiveness", of the 100 Senators:

1 Gillibrand, Kirsten D NY
7 Klobuchar, Amy D MN
8 Warren, Elizabeth D MA
9 Harris, Kamala D CA
13 Booker, Cory D NJ
18 Sanders, Bernie I VT

All spoke at the Convention (Gillibrand had the shortest slot). Not "progressive" enough?

[Cha]

75. So he really had nothing to complain about if one knows the

facts of who is the most "Progressive" of Record.

TY George for this list of progressive Dem Leaders!

[still_one]

81. +++

[Cha]

82. Aloha..

[still_one]

83. .....................

[Cha]

85. Hey!

!!!

[PatSeg]

54. What you said!

[Cha]

67. Yeah Sen Sanders.. Talk to Nina, Brie, Sirota & Cornel NOW about

their 3rd party plans.

Joe Biden Won Overwhelmingly. That's Democracy.

[still_one]

40. For right now I am putting these kinds of statements from Sanders, on the back burner. I don't

particularly see how these comments as "helpful" RIGHT NOW

However, when the election is over he wants a debate about the direction of the country, while stating "you're working with progressives, and that this is what coalition politics is about"

That is fine, as long as HE remembers his followers are NOT the only ones that are PART of the COALITION he is referring to, and a coalition implies compromise, not it is either my way or nothing at all, as what occurred with a good number of his followers previously, who just walked away, and by doing so helped put trump into the WH, and facilitated in our losing the Senate

It would serve him well not to over play his hand

[lunasun]

44. Everybody must gather by Election Day to bring down trump . Everybody can scatter back to their

political corners in January when trump is actually on his way out of DC .
I am sure many conservatives will separate after the election from Dems, but let all America ‘s decent people come together by nov if only for a short time . All repentants welcome to vote all D this time because we understand your pain & that you made a big mistake, but they may split too after the election . Some will go back to not voting after Election Day just hate trump . Right now there is a big coalition against trump
As long as everyone is there to vote out trump then Biden wins!

[still_one]

51. Anyone who goes back to "not voting" after what we have gone through the last 3 and 1/2 years,

are useless, and will not be part of any discussion on the direction of the country

[lunasun]

94. trump '16 was able to draw out some non voters I hope a lot are disillusioned again + stay home now

yes it would be nice to see them all change and vote Biden but i'll be happy even if it's only trump losing votes with some of them, and they go back under a rock.

trump '20 may draw other nonvoters out imo - people who finally realize how bad he is and that he has a lot supporters so they better get off their ass and vote this time to stop the madness. But once their life is relieved of this insane shit show and the US normalizes, I wonder if those voters could get lazy again and disengage.

There are a lot of non voters i think something like 40% of eligible us citizens do not vote.
? Will the horror of trump years change the importance of voting ?
Will more people realize the danger of not voting
and that candidates are not all the same?
Maybe if they realize something like trump can happen again!

[jorgevlorgan]

59. Agreed.

That is what is necessary right now.

[Cha]

74. Hey! We've had 'Serious Debate".. many long grueling Months

of Serious Debate.. And, what happened after that.. is Vital. Democracy chose Joe Biden to be our Nominee.. and he chose Kamala Harris to be his VP candidate.

It's their show and they've been expectedly generous with sharing it.

[stillcool]

80. Nothing wrong with that...

lots of voices to be heard.

[NNadir]

88. Can he fucking shut his mouth until Trump is gone? People are DYING. n/t.

[tavernier]

92. The day after Biden is elected

he is going to have 10 million things to do just to start to clean up Rump’s disasters. A serious debate with Bernie will not be his nor the country’s priority.

[JI7]

93. And dealing with Right Wingers that will resist efforts to deal with the Virus

and so many other things.

[WhoWoodaKnew]

95. Hell, we'll probably be fighting COVID

[betsuni]

96. LOL, no.

Biden knows how to deal with this. Agree with the person, flatter them, smile and say yes, yes, yes, you're so right, nobody else ever thought of universal health care or green energy or a higher minimum wage, we'll get right on that, you are totally fabulous and the only progressive -- it is the first time ever I've heard of these progressive things! Let's have lunch next week.

Then get on with the actual job.

[lanlady]

97. The day after Joe is elected--

--he'll have a LOT more important matters to attend to than debating the Independent Senator from Vermont.

I'm hoping that on Nov 4, the President-elect and his team put out a strong message to all Trump appointees throughout the government that they will be held to criminal account and prosecuted if they destroy any federal property, to include documents and emails. I'm really afraid that between election day and January 20 the Trumpies are going to be spending their time behind the shredder.

[Upward]

101. We Have to Deal With the RW Threat First, Bernie

Don't make Uncle Joe have to fight two fronts at once, k?

[dmr]

104. Sanders says debate the "day after" .... NO! NO! NO!

President Biden and Vice President Harris will be much too busy to "debate" Senator Sanders.

I want laser focus to be on rebuilding and repairing the damage done by Donald and his gang of idiots and thieves.

Domestic and foreign damage. Our agencies/departments have been gutted, historical and brain trust lost, norms and rules changed, etc ...

Sanders may have some good ideas to move us forward, but until the President gets a handle on the multiple-to-the-extreme issues that will face him, Sanders needs to pipe down and lend an unconditional helping hand.

None of this can be accomplished overnight. We need to be patient and give President Biden and his team time, and plenty of good karma.

[Paladin]

106. Stop making the GOP's political ads for them, Bernie.

Or did you and your followers not learn jack fucking shit from 2016? Save the divisive crap until the trump crime family is removed from the White House and the place gets a good fumigating, prior to Biden moving in. Or is that just too much to ask of you?

[enid602]

109. Medicare

I really think that Biden needs to announce early on that if the Republicans do not let him strengthen Obamacare, we're going to Medicare for all.

[DFW]

110. The article could have said it all in a much abbreviated version

They could have said exactly the same thing stopping after, "Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) on Friday reaffirmed his commitment to electing Joe Biden president, but....."

Is there anyone out there who would have had trouble filling in the rest on their own?

I wonder if Senator Sanders would have been so very open to a similar comment from runner-up Joe Biden, had Sanders been the nominee instead?

[dansolo]

111. Trump's damage doesn't stop the day Biden is inaugurated

Bernie Sanders seems to ignore the fact that the significant damage that Trump has done to the entire government will take some time to deal with. Bernie needs to put the country's needs above his own personal vanity.

[Justice]

113. This is not helpful now.