Woman, 21, Arrested and Charged for Stealing 7-Year-Old Trump Supporter's MAGA Hat, Destroying Pro-T
Source: Law and Crime
Woman, 21, Arrested and Charged for Stealing 7-Year-Old Trump Supporter’s MAGA Hat, Destroying Pro-Trump Signs
JERRY LAMBE
Aug 22nd, 2020, 4:59 pm
A 21-year-old woman was arrested in Delaware Friday and charged with several crimes, including robbery, in connection with an attack on a Donald Trump-supporting seven-year-old boy and his mother that was caught on tape and quickly went viral, according to local news outlet WDEL.
Olivia M. Winslow was taken into custody by the Wilmington Police Department and charged with second-degree robbery, second-degree conspiracy, and endangering the welfare of a child. A second woman alleged to have been involved in the incident has not yet been arrested. The incident took place on Thursday, the final night of the Democratic National Convention, outside of the Chase Center in Wilmington, where a small crowd of anti-Biden demonstrators had gathered.
The video, which was circulated online by President Trump’s supporters, showed two adult females, one of whom police said was Winslow, ripping up the child’s pro-Trump signs and stealing his “Make America Great Again” (MAGA) hat.
The young boy, who was accompanied by his mother, can be seen crying and heard asking his mom to “call 911,” as the women yelled profanities. At one point the mother literally told the women that they were “committing a felony.”
Link to tweet
Read more: https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/woman-21-arrested-and-charged-for-stealing-7-year-old-trump-supporters-maga-hat-destroying-pro-trump-signs/
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RhodeIslandOne
(5,042 posts)
SheltieLover
(76,819 posts)
musette_sf
(10,451 posts)Too bad there's no such thing as a "backwards T"...
Judi Lynn
(164,049 posts)
denbot
(9,947 posts)Thankfully, I’ve forgotten her name.
bucolic_frolic
(54,052 posts)The benefit of dressing a 7 year old in a MAA hat? Would a 7 year old know enough to call 9-1-1 and verbalize it, when away from home?
A 21 year old doesn't know better?
I'm sensing some incongruities that need to be explored.
SheltieLover
(76,819 posts)Much more consistent with magat behavior.
Bengus81
(9,826 posts)Ring a bell??
3Hotdogs
(15,032 posts)"Victims" wouldn't have pressed charges.
Eliot Rosewater
(34,282 posts)
iluvtennis
(21,470 posts)
Doug.Goodall
(1,241 posts)LymphocyteLover
(9,367 posts)SWBTATTReg
(26,039 posts)org.? Kind of tainted I'd say...
Bengus81
(9,826 posts)Who'd a thunk it.....
Bengus81
(9,826 posts)Oh wait...turns out he was a Republican too.
https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/340806-trump-supporter-admits-writing-anti-trump-graffiti-at-elementary
"A supporter of President Trump in Connecticut says he wrote threatening anti-Trump graffiti on elementary school equipment hoping to frame Democrats because he believes they are "disrespectful to our government."
Sapient Donkey
(1,568 posts)The fact there were arrests make me doubt it was staged in the sense you're thinking of. However, I do have a feeling that maybe out to provoke a response. But then again, I'm not sure where the line between provoking a reaction and protest and/or campaigning begins. If someone did the same to some one with a Biden hat and posters, then I don't think I would say they were trying to provoke a response. That then leaves us with saying that supporting Trump should not be tolerated and anyone who wears/waves/whatever Trump propaganda is fair game for destruction without repercussions. I mean, if we're willing to go that route, then why not just prevent anyone who will vote from Trump from voting?
mr_lebowski
(33,643 posts)Thomas Hurt
(13,958 posts)Get back to me when an Anti-Trump protester drives a car into a crowd of Trumpers and kills someone.
SunSeeker
(57,566 posts)
tanyev
(48,665 posts)Have you seen this?
Bush supporter Phil Parlock, shown above holding his crying daughter, claims that while attending a Kerry rally, a Kerry supporter tore his daughter's Bush-Cheney sign in half.
Apparently, Parlock is a professional victim. He's told the same story in 1996 and 2000.
But Parlock isn't just a professional victim. In 2000, when he ran the same scam, he was a Bush campaign worker.
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2004/9/17/51596/-
Judi Lynn
(164,049 posts)when you can easily see they are the most noble people in the world.
Undoubtedly we'll be seeing Parlock again.
Thank for the reminder of professional Republican campaign publicity feeders.
Bengus81
(9,826 posts)Judi Lynn
(164,049 posts)Here's an article which mentions the last one I've heard of is discussed in the bolded area around the 3rd paragraph. That one really sucked, unusually maggoty:
UPDATED MAY 7, 2020
All of Jacob Wohl’s Spectacularly Failed Smear Attempts
By Bridget Read@bridgetgillard
Sparkling-water enthusiast and recent fitness influencer Jacob Wohl is simply unparalleled in the field of failed smear attempts. He’s best known for staging slapdash, surreal press conferences, ostensibly to unveil proof of some outlandish claim against a prominent Trump opponent, which never materializes. Along with his partner-in-crime Jack Burkman — literally, the pair is likely under investigation by the FBI — the MAGA-loving freelance “intelligence” operative has tried and failed to take down Robert Mueller, Pete Buttigieg, Elizabeth Warren and more in the last year alone. So far, the duo have only managed to expose themselves as two men with the know-how and subtlety of two children in a trench-coat trying to buy a dirty magazine.
For their most recent stunt, the pair reportedly hired a woman to say that Dr. Anthony Fauci, the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, had attempted to assault her in a hotel in 2014. This scheme fell apart, in a typically Wohlian fashion, after the woman in question reached out to a journalist to say Wohl and Burkman had paid her to make the claim, and that it was untrue.
Below, a rollicking tour through all of Jacob Wohl’s spectacular résumé of failed smear attempts, including this most recent twist:
The failed Anthony Fauci assault smear
On April 21, Wohl and Burkman sent members of the press one of their “media alerts,” teasing an allegation against Dr. Fauci. It said that a woman named Diana Rodriguez was coming forward to say she’d been sexually assaulted by Fauci in a room at the Four Seasons Hotel in 2014, when she was 20 years old. Very few outlets covered the allegation, as it immediately was suspect. Wohl and Burkman ended up holding a conference call in which Rodriguez told her story again, with several different details from the media alert, offering no additional evidence to bolster the claim. They claimed they had originally booked the Chinese embassy as the venue to hold their press conference.
Ten days later, the woman reached out to journalist Nancy Rommelman to say she was really named Diana Andrade, that she had been romantically involved with Jacob Wohl, and that she’d received five figures in cash from him and Burkman to say she had been assaulted by Fauci. “The reality is that I’ve known Jacob since 2018 and that he charmed me into taking money to do this (see attached picture of us together),” she wrote. She also said that she believed the notorious pair are “trying to get another girl to do it, too,” and had asked her if she knew anyone. That seems to have been the case — the day before Andrade reached out to Rommelman, Wohl and Burkman had sent another email saying they had an additional accusation against Fauci from a “former assistant” named “Karen Draper.”
In a recording Rommelman received from Andrade, Wohl reportedly tells Andrade, “You did a good job, you got paid. What’s the problem? What seems to be the issue?” as she tells him and Burkman she feels guilty. He offers some disturbing explanations for why Fauci should be blamed for his thorough response to coronavirus, like “Mother Nature has to clean the barn every so often.”
Wohl responded “no comment” to Rommelman’s story about Andrade, and Burkman replied, “We stand by Diana and her allegations.”
More:
https://www.thecut.com/2020/05/who-is-jacob-wohl-failed-smears.html
Great moments in blockbuster press conferences!
Jacob Wohl & Jack Burkman: Trump’s Connections to Mueller Sex Assault Hoax Masterminds
BY BRIAN KRASSENSTEIN October 31, 2018
Yesterday was almost comical — if it wasn’t so incredibly serious — as America got to watch a conspiracy, masterminded by idiots, come crumbling down. Yesterday morning we broke a story on the bizarre, yet nearly successful attempt to possibly obstruct a criminal investigation into the Trump Campaign by painting Special Counsel Robert Mueller as a sex predator and a drunk.
For those who missed the story, where Republican lobbyist, radio host and right-wing conspiracy theorist, Jack Burkman apparently teamed up with Twitter troll and conspiracy theorist Jacob Wohl to allegedly pay women to make false claims against Mr. Mueller, the full story can be found here.
While no one is quite sure of the true intentions of this sloppy plan to paint Mueller as a sex predator and drunk, and it’s a stretch to try to link this foiled plot to the President himself, both men do have have some interesting ties to Mr. Trump.
Wohl has met the president at least one time, and the president actually retweeted his messages on three different occasions last year. Thanks to the searchable database, TrumpTwitterArchive.com, we were able to locate the three tweets shown below which Trump retweeted on Jul 3, 2017 at 8:33:50 PM, Aug 3,2017 at 7:05:07 AM and Aug 16, 2017 at 12:50:13 PM, respectively.
More:
https://hillreporter.com/jacob-wohl-jack-burkman-trumps-connections-to-mueller-sex-assault-hoax-masterminds-12329
Enough to make the saints vomit!
They are all such whizzes at these things, aren't they? Real pros. They remind you of the days of that Giant right-wing grifter, James O'Keefe who really fooled the world, pretending to be a "pimp."
ACORN denied funds as new 'prostitute' video surfaces
September 15, 2009 at 12:07 AM EDT - Updated June 16 at 1:41 AM
James O'Keefe and Hannah Giles in their disguises at a march in Washington, D.C.
By ANDREW TAYLOR
Associated Press Writer
More:
https://www.wbtv.com/story/11130019/acorn-denied-funds-as-new-prostitute-video-surfaces/
O'Keefe relative from out of town.
3Hotdogs
(15,032 posts)with just the cutest little sheep you ever saw in your life.
bigworld
(1,813 posts)shows he holds the same politics and is a big QAnon supporter. Color me not surprised.
tanyev
(48,665 posts)
trof
(54,274 posts)
The Magistrate
(96,043 posts)And if you are --- why?
trof
(54,274 posts)Did I say she should have not?
No.
I merely asked why.
You presume too much.
Sir.
The Magistrate
(96,043 posts)I would have stated a plain view.
Judi Lynn
(164,049 posts)trof
(54,274 posts)SunSeeker
(57,566 posts)LBN is limited to "Important news of national interest only."
This crime blog and Don Jr. tweet does not appear to qualify. None of the major mainstream news outlets have it as a headline.
SunSeeker
(57,566 posts)
SunSeeker
(57,566 posts)Do you think this crime blog and Don Jr. tweet qualifies? None of the major mainstream news outlets have it as a headline.
With all the major stuff going on it the country, how does this qualify as LBN?
The Magistrate
(96,043 posts)If it so obviously unsuitable on the ground you suggest, surely it would have been alerted on long since, and it is still here.
This incident is likely to feature prominently in christo-fascist mythology of 'violent leftists', so one certainly could make a case it is news, and certainly worth a heads-up concerning.
I have no opinion on the other, I have not looked in on it.
SunSeeker
(57,566 posts)"This incident is likely to feature prominently in christo-fascist mythology of 'violent leftists', so one certainly could make a case it is news, and certainly worth a heads-up concerning."
Certainly your reasoning would warrant it being posted as "news" in GD. But why do you think it is a current major news story, or "important news of national interest."
Why feed into the right wing narrative? There is no evidence these two young women are Biden supporters, or "leftists." They hate Trump. Most people hate Trump. I watched the video in Don Jr's tweet several times. Did I miss something you saw?
The Magistrate
(96,043 posts)I very seldom both looking at videos posted up; they take too much time. A description and a transcript are much quicker.
As you may have noticed, a charge does not have to be true to carry some weight, especially on the right, so whether these are 'leftists' or no is of little importance.
My initial comment was intended to clarify someone's meaning. It was. Other comments below were to supply facts to someone who disputed whether these people were charged with felonies. They were.
SunSeeker
(57,566 posts)
The Magistrate
(96,043 posts)And you are very boring.
SunSeeker
(57,566 posts)You know, in the time it took you to insult me, you could have watched the video. It's 2 minutes long.
Polybius
(21,513 posts)We have to be consistent.
SunSeeker
(57,566 posts)i don't believe in physical violence to retrieve a $15 hat. People matter more than inanimate objects. They should have called 911, like the kid asked.
Polybius
(21,513 posts)I believe in it sometimes. Break in my house, no questions asked. Take my kid's hat? Let's just say it wouldn't go as smoothly as this went. The woman is clearly scum.
Just do what I do. Give dirty looks to the Trump wearing people. I think they are insane, but what can I do? They are 40% of the nation.
SunSeeker
(57,566 posts)Like sending her 7-year-old to get the hat from two women, and then convincing a man to assault the women over the hat. Seems like she cared more about that hat than her kid.
oldsoftie
(13,538 posts)When the opposite happens it gets posted. Are we not to police our own?
SunSeeker
(57,566 posts)Why are we taking his tweet as true?
Clearly these two young women hate Donald Trump. That does not mean they are Biden supporters. There is no indication in the video that they are Biden supporters.
And it may be "news," but LBN is limited to "Important news of national interest only."
Do you think this crime blog and Don Jr. tweet qualifies? None of the major mainstream news outlets have it as a headline.
With all the major stuff going on it the country, how does this qualify as LBN?
oldsoftie
(13,538 posts)The crazy woman who called the cops on the man in the park was LBN
The woman going nuts in a grocery store.
The man causing a stir in a home depot.
The lady getting shot by a BB gun for being in the "wrong" yard
Etc etc.
ALL of these are really just local stories. But they're elevated to "LBN" here because of the subject matter. So THIS story qualifies because it fits the same style as the others. But this one happens to show the opposite of the others. Why WOULDNT we assume they're Biden supporters? They're outside the convention hall; they dont like trump. They voting for Jorgenson?
If they're fakers, that will be known soon enough since they names will likely come out. Then they can be blasted.
SunSeeker
(57,566 posts)They're dressed very casually. Seems like they were just in the area.
oldsoftie
(13,538 posts)Soon as these women are named, their social media will be autopsied for the past 20 years.
If they're fake anti-trumpers it will be found in a day by someone, you can bet on it.
Then They'll ALL be charged with a different crime!
SunSeeker
(57,566 posts)You brought up the convention hall being nearby. Given there was no audience, I don't see how that indicates they're Biden supporters, especially since it does not look like they're associated with the convention.
Polybius
(21,513 posts)It shows the human side of things. We're not all angels either, and the thread will show who the truly good people are by their replies.
msongs
(73,084 posts)
Cryptoad
(8,254 posts)Rubles u can hire those Russians to do anything,,,
paleotn
(21,551 posts)
BlueStater
(7,596 posts)But it’s also wrong for a parent to let their seven-year-old don a hat supporting a racist sexual predator. I find that just as disgusting.
onetexan
(13,913 posts)SunSeeker
(57,566 posts)That video does not show the two young women taking the hat off the kid. It was the mom's hat.
It's the mom who keeps saying "Give me back my hat!" The kid only said to the women "that's someone else's hat." And then the mom stupidly starts yelling at the kid to go get the hat from the women, which is when the kid started crying, because the women were walking away and he couldn't get the hat like his mom was insisting. Seems to me it was the mom who was endangering the kid. It was really irresponsible of that mom to make her 7 year old get in the middle of that!
And that was not the kid's sign either, that sign had an adult's handwriting, and the mom called it her property.
Bengus81
(9,826 posts)ripcord
(5,553 posts)Hopefully they get jail time since every one of those crimes are a felony. BTW fuck the people defending them or saying they did nothing wrong, we are liberals not conservative lite.
niyad
(129,571 posts)
LisaL
(47,357 posts)over the staged thing?
ripcord
(5,553 posts)They always look for someone else to blame.
Bengus81
(9,826 posts)Al Franken ring a bell??
oldsoftie
(13,538 posts)Yes, there ARE some bad people on the left like it or not.
Progressive Jones
(6,011 posts)SunSeeker
(57,566 posts)Hating Donald Trump does not make you "left." The majority of Americans strongly disapprove of Trump.
Polybius
(21,513 posts)They might not like Trump, but they don't get nearly as agitated as we do when we see his ugly face. 
SunSeeker
(57,566 posts)
Most people are Biden supporters, judging by the polls, so there's a good chance they are, I'll grant you that. But we don't know for sure, and shouldn't accept Don Jr's assertion without actual evidence.
Those two young women might not even be registered to vote or support anyone in particular. They could just hate Trump. I know a person like that. He didn’t vote in 2016, and as much as he hates Trump, he said he won't vote in 2020.
Polybius
(21,513 posts)I was just surprised by you questioning if they were on the left. The vast majority who hate Trump are not on the right. A few are, like Romney. Howie Hawkins is not on the right.
You're friend is apolitical? Or does he lean one way?
SunSeeker
(57,566 posts)Only about 40% of Americans like Trump. The rest pretty much hate him, and comprise a wide swath of the political spectrum.
My friend is one of those who has swallowed the lie that both parties are the same, and he hates all politicians. He's pretty middle of the road otherwise, a contractor who hates taxes but is socially liberal and not religious. I think the last time he voted was for Ross Perot. LOL.
niyad
(129,571 posts)Bengus81
(9,826 posts)LisaL
(47,357 posts)She is charged with a bunch of crimes.
ripcord
(5,553 posts)Bengus81
(9,826 posts)Only says the mother says she was committing felonies.
ripcord
(5,553 posts)Second degree robbery is a class E felony in Delaware, second degree conspiracy is a class G felony and endangering the welfare of a child can be either a class A, E or G felony depending on how it is filed.
Bengus81
(9,826 posts)"Olivia M. Winslow was taken into custody by the Wilmington Police Department and charged with second-degree robbery, second-degree conspiracy, and endangering the welfare of a child. A second woman alleged to have been involved in the incident has not yet been arrested. The incident took place on Thursday, the final night of the Democratic National Convention, outside of the Chase Center in Wilmington, where a small crowd of anti-Biden demonstrators had gathered."
FBaggins
(28,631 posts)"Olivia M. Winslow was taken into custody by the Wilmington Police Department and charged with second-degree robbery, second-degree conspiracy, and endangering the welfare of a child."
Since then... the second woman has also been arrested:
https://www.wdel.com/news/police-make-2nd-arrest-in-theft-of-maga-hat-outside-of-democratic-convention-in-wilmington/article_46fb8780-e4c6-11ea-9ffd-0f5b95771c54.html
Bengus81
(9,826 posts)The Magistrate
(96,043 posts)Robbery in the second degree is defined as a violent felony in Delaware. Because it is in furtherance of a felony, the conspiracy charge is also a felony. The endangerment charge is a class a misdemeanor.
"Never commit a felony when a misdemeanor will do."
ripcord
(5,553 posts)It can be a class A misdemeanor or a Class E or G felony.
LisaL
(47,357 posts)The other two are felonies.
The Magistrate
(96,043 posts)I have only skimmed the codes, but the felony grades seem to involve sexual assault or physical harm, or a parental or custodial relation.
It is quite possible the full weight of the charges will be reduced when it actually comes to court, but as it stands now they are certainly charged with multiple felonies.
Which is bit stiff for a 'crisis actor' or a Jacob Wohl operative....
ripcord
(5,553 posts)But if they don't start apologizing quickly jail time is a possibility. The sad thing is that there was no reason for this whole incident.
The Magistrate
(96,043 posts)Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
niyad
(129,571 posts)
moriah
(8,312 posts)... for telling her child to approach two women she thought were violent and dangerous, saying "Go get your hat baby".... but that's just on general principles -- especially as while I saw her accuse the women of attacking the child on video, if such an attack was in the video I missed it.
That doesn't mean that she didn't have the right to take her son with her to express free speech, just as leftists have taken their children out for protests. It also does not excuse their behavior in stealing a sign, a hat, striking people, anything.
But damnit, people shouldn't use their kids as a shield that way -- it wasn't the kid's hat as was made clear in the video, yet she specifically vocalized aloud "Go get your hat, baby" -- as though she thought it would make them give it back if they thought it belonged to a kid. She should have called her son back when he ran up to them after it.
Just my personal opinion -- the only person not an idiot in that video was that poor child caught in the middle.
Bengus81
(9,826 posts)Phony as hell............
Polybius
(21,513 posts)This man was later arrested. Not staged.
Dr. Strange
(26,056 posts)If they're really Trump supporters, let the evil shits rot in jail.
SunSeeker
(57,566 posts)Last edited Sun Aug 23, 2020, 01:49 AM - Edit history (1)
It is very clear they hate Trump, but that does not mean they're liberals or Biden supporters.
And what's with calling them the sexist term "bitches"? What does their sex have to do with anything? Aren't we better than that?
obamanut2012
(29,175 posts)Educate yourself to not do that.
Steelrolled
(2,022 posts)Steelrolled
(2,022 posts)Evolve Dammit
(21,499 posts)
judesedit
(4,586 posts)Obviously, I can be wrong, but I would not be surprised at all if I'm right. Just like in Oregon and Michigan.
LisaL
(47,357 posts)So it would be really surprising if you were right.
Bengus81
(9,826 posts)This kind of crap has been going on for years and years.
"For their most recent stunt, the pair reportedly hired a woman to say that Dr. Anthony Fauci, the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, had attempted to assault her in a hotel in 2014. This scheme fell apart, in a typically Wohlian fashion, after the woman in question reached out to a journalist to say Wohl and Burkman had paid her to make the claim, and that it was untrue."
LisaL
(47,357 posts)I don't think so.
Bengus81
(9,826 posts)And he's the ring leader.
LisaL
(47,357 posts)Bengus81
(9,826 posts)ansible
(1,718 posts)
Tech
(1,943 posts)the top.
Tech
(1,943 posts)the top.
Iggo
(49,654 posts)oldsoftie
(13,538 posts)
Jedi Guy
(3,419 posts)Absent some evidence showing that the Trump supporters were the aggressors, these women were very much in the wrong. You don't get to just attack people and take/destroy their stuff because you dislike their politics. Their behavior here was absolutely reprehensible, as are a lot of responses in this thread. If the political alignments in this incident were reversed, half the comments would be "Lock them up!" and the rest would be expressions of outrage and disgust.
And to all those who are trying to hand-wave this away as a false-flag operation: give me a break. Sometimes people on the left behave badly. That's reality. Deal with it.
mjvpi
(1,873 posts)oldsoftie
(13,538 posts)I guess DU is supposed to be a bubble of reporting bad acts only if the Right does them.
this is not okay behavior.
EllieBC
(3,621 posts)conspiracy theorists.
There are people on our side who do make terrible choices. Like this case:
https://www.texasmonthly.com/politics/houston-lost-mind-trump-shirt/
onenote
(45,990 posts)Codeine
(25,586 posts)BlueStater
(7,596 posts)“Obscenities”? She was quoting the motherfucker! Those were his own words! If you don’t like the language your idol uses, maybe you shouldn’t support him.
Then she received death threats from these troglodytes afterwards. That’s way worse than what she did. Fuck them all.
EllieBC
(3,621 posts)Any adult who has impulse control issues like that needs to see a psychologist.
BlueStater
(7,596 posts)Did she deserve to receive *death threats* for a momentary lapse in judgment?
Fuck Trump supporters. Fuck them. And fuck anyone who encourages their teenage daughter to support the most misogynistic piece of shit pervert to ever occupy the presidency. Yeah, I find all of this way more disgusting than the actions of this woman. Sue me.
Jedi Guy
(3,419 posts)Still, if she'd simply shaken her head in silent disgust and kept her mouth under control, none of that nonsense would have happened. Consequences, whether deserved or undeserved, are still a result of a choice. She chose poorly. Hopefully her takeaway from that experience was not to shout at teenage girls in public because she dislikes the shirt one of them is wearing.
EllieBC
(3,621 posts)screams like a hysterical nut at a kid. No she didn’t deserve death threats but she did deserve to let it be known she has no impulse control and poor judgement and doesn’t know how to act in public.
DashOneBravo
(2,679 posts)SunSeeker
(57,566 posts)
tblue37
(68,187 posts)SunSeeker
(57,566 posts)It's the mom who keeps saying "Give me back my hat!" The kid only said to the women "that's someone else's hat." And then the mom stupidly starts yelling at the kid to go get the hat from the women, which is when the kid started crying, because the women were walking away and he couldn't get the hat like his mom was insisting. Seems to me it was the mom who was endangering the kid. It was really irresponsible of that mom to make her 7 year old get in the middle of that!
And that was not the kid's sign either, that sign had an adult's handwriting, and the mom called it her property.
The Republicans in my neighborhoid keep ripping off Democratic candidate signs from lawns, but they never get charged with robbery and conspiracy to commit robbery.. The behavior of these two women was unacceptable, but they did not touch the kid or hurt anybody. Looks to me like this was overcharging. It's a $15 hat. And it looks like the woman threw it,and the ripped up sign, over a fence, she didn't keep it.
Finally, there is no indication these are "Biden supporters." What is very clear is they hate Trump, but that does not mean they are Biden supporters.
LisaL
(47,357 posts)One of the women smacks a guy in a face.
SunSeeker
(57,566 posts)And he kept grabbing at her until another man intervened and pulled her away.
The article does not say she was charged with assaulting the man.
Look, what she and her friend did was obnoxious and inappropriate in tearing up the sign and throwing the MAGA hat over the fence. But I don't understand why so many here are so quick to accept Don Jr's version of the events. The video does not back up his description, nor the mother's.
Polybius
(21,513 posts)He just had a soda thrown in his face. That's fine right?
SunSeeker
(57,566 posts) radius777
(3,921 posts)and deserved far more than just soda thrown in their faces.
Polybius
(21,513 posts)They were sitting there eating. One idiot had a Trump hat on. Foolish, I'll give you that.
radius777
(3,921 posts)to lynch blacks for the 4th of July, and were making a big show of it - several patrons said that. Then the latino guy confronted them and threw the soda. If they were just sitting quietly that would not have happened. The incident occurred in Texas and obviously there are many people with Trump hats there, so it was not just because of that.
That 4th of July there were many incidents like that - seems like something organized on social media. Sunny Hostin described such an incident at her home on Long Island.
“We were there celebrating and some kids, about 20 of them, ran in front of our home and started yelling the N-word at us. And I have a video of sort of the aftermath when we realized they were targeting us.”
After realizing that her family was being singled out, Hostin whipped out her cell phone and began recording. She asked a few bystanders if they were the ones yelling the N-word, but they denied being involved, though they acknowledged someone else hurled the racial epithet.
Hostin called the police and filed a report, but indicated a few of the people also told her, “This is America. We are patriots. This is our holiday.”
ripcord
(5,553 posts)Any injuries or damages are the fault of the robber and they will be charged with them. The man is the video was stopping a crime and trying to recover stolen property, taking the politics out of the equation what exactly is wrong with that?
SunSeeker
(57,566 posts)She was walking away, so there is no claim the man was defending himself or anyone else. It was really stupid and could have gotten him and/or the woman hurt or killed. Let the police go after robbers. That's their job. Even the 7-year-old knew that, telling his mom to "call 911." But no, the mom called the man over and got him involved in the altercation with the woman.
Killing a fleeing robber is a great way to be charged with murder. https://www.wsfa.com/2019/10/17/man-charged-with-murder-after-shooting-unarmed-burglar-back-police-say/
ManiacJoe
(10,138 posts)Of course, the thief will probably do something stupid, like put up a fight which then opens the door for self defense.
SunSeeker
(57,566 posts)Yes, the thief will likely try to do something "stupid." Which is all the more reason you would not want to precipitate such an altercation, risking injury or worse, over a hat.
Again, she had them on video. Just call 911, like the kid asked. Follow them at a safe distance until police arrive.
ManiacJoe
(10,138 posts)It is all about the proper assessment of the risks.
The video shows the risks to be low for those willing to accept them and being physically capable.
Sapient Donkey
(1,568 posts)Those women shouldn't have ripped up the signs or took the hat, but the woman was looking for a reaction and she was using her kid as a prop. Doesn't excuse ripped up the signs or taking the hat. In fact, that sort of stuff helps no one more than it helps Trump.
LisaL
(47,357 posts)Mom was insisting her young child got the hat from these women. But that doesn't excuse the behavior of the women. If there is a freedom of speech, then Trump loving MAGAts have a right to express it. And as repulsive as some people find it, that's no reason to take their hats or signs.
obamanut2012
(29,175 posts)I bet on it.
Nitram
(27,064 posts)Either that, or she should be charged with child endangerment for sending her child into danger to make a political video. No, I don't condone the theft or destruction of private property. But charging the woman with "conspiracy" and "endangering the welfare of a child" is total BS.
ripcord
(5,553 posts)Maybe mom doesn't want him rolling over and being a victim to idiots like that.
SCantiGOP
(14,664 posts)There are some amazingly stupid comments in this thread.
ripcord
(5,553 posts)It is about right and wrong and sadly we see what side many some down on. Liberals support non violent protests, unless the protesters are conservatives, I guess my morals aren't that flexible.
Nitram
(27,064 posts)clearly wrote that I did not approve of what the women did. How can that be an example of "moral flexibility?" How could the two women be charged with conspiracy? Sending her ten-year-old child to chase two people the mother believes are "violent" is not a lesson in "...not rolling over and being a victim to idiots like that." It is clearly child endangerment. There would be better ways to teach the lesson, such as calling 911.
SunSeeker
(57,566 posts)instead, she kept goading the kid, then got a man involved to get in an altercation with the young woman. All over a $15 hat.
SunSeeker
(57,566 posts)The mom had them on video and could have followed them at a safe distance until police arrived. The kid was smarter than any of the adults in that video. He told his mom to call 911.
But no, she instead kept goading her 7-year-old to get the hat from two adult women who were walking away, and when he inevitably failed, he started to cry. Then she got a man to give chase and get in a physical altercation with one of the young women.
What if the man who chased down the woman and got in an altercation with her caused her to fall to the concrete and crack her head and die? Still think going after the hat was the "exactly right" thing to do? The police wouldn't think so. They'd arrest him for manslaughter, like the idiot who fired shots to scare off someone stealing from his shed. https://www.wfaa.com/article/news/crime/homeowner-arrested-after-shooting-killing-man-allegedly-breaking-into-shed-dallas-police-say/287-e2de3abb-2f5d-4faf-8885-6fb5002b27f3
moriah
(8,312 posts).... she was a fucking idiot for encouraging her kid (who didn't say it was his either, said it "belongs to someone else" when he was innocently trying to appeal to their moral compass) to try to retrieve it by suggesting it *was* his in her "Go get your hat, baby" nonsense.
You just don't gamble with your kids safety that way, hoping that the other human beings will be decent. Especially if they've already acted the fool enough that you've pulled out your camera for deterrence/documentation.
Polybius
(21,513 posts)A few hypocrites too. My take? What happened was disgusting. Had I been there I would have helped get that kid his hat back and stopped that lady.
SunSeeker
(57,566 posts)She had them on video and could have followed them at a safe distance until police arrived.
What if you chased down the woman and got in an altercation with her where she ended up falling to the concrete and cracking her head and dying? Still think you're the hero in that scenario? The police wouldn't think so. They'd arrest you for manslaughter, like the idiot who fired shots to scare off someone stealing from his shed. https://www.wfaa.com/article/news/crime/homeowner-arrested-after-shooting-killing-man-allegedly-breaking-into-shed-dallas-police-say/287-e2de3abb-2f5d-4faf-8885-6fb5002b27f3
Polybius
(21,513 posts)I hate thieves with a passion. I didn't say I'd put my hands on her, but I'd block her and tell her to give the hat back or she can't pass. If she throws the first punch, I can defend myself without any legal problems.
artemisia1
(1,365 posts)Bengus81
(9,826 posts)Looks to me like they're "leaving" about time it's starting. Sunset in Wilmington that night would have been 7:50pm. Why go just to leave before it starts?
Or....would it be hard to get quality cell phone video at 10:00pm in the dark when it was over?
cayugafalls
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Steelrolled
(2,022 posts)will follow these two women for the rest of their lives.
artemisia1
(1,365 posts)behavior? This goes well beyond a "stupid moment". This was evil and wicked behavior and would have a massively rec'd thread if it were done to a Biden supporter and her child.
Steelrolled
(2,022 posts)I think it was just a couple of young people who were hyped up on political tribalism, and who acted out in real life like so many do every day on social media.
In my day, probably nothing would have come of it, or worst case they would have went to court and taken their medicine. For them, it could be the stupidest and meanest thing they will ever do, but they will always be one google search away from being viewed as life-long assholes.
artemisia1
(1,365 posts)non-murder, non-sexual assault crimes committed in youth -- if the person demonstrates they have changed. However, I've had really bad and stupid moments. I have never done something like this.
LiberalLovinLug
(14,579 posts)If she actually thought her son had been assaulted, why would she order him up to the front lines like that?
I never saw any "assault" on the boy. I saw the women take advantage of seeing they had dropped their MAGA hats after the women knocked the sign down.
In some ways I admire that kind of fight back against the fascists and their supporters. It may come to that kind of willingness to battle if Trump gets away with stealing the election.
On the other, it does seem fake too. These, "liberal extremists" sure are aggressive and violent for lefties. To come back at the mother like that? I don't buy that. And how long they kept the little boys hat. What was the point of that other than to draw out the drama?
radius777
(3,921 posts)Of course those are brown kids, not some little white kid who just gets a hat stolen then goes back to his normal comfortable life.
The girls overreacted, but it is the divider-in-chief Trump himself who has created this environment.
artemisia1
(1,365 posts)I'm sure the "two wrongs make a right" crowd will flame me for this despicable behavior. Go right ahead and demonstrate a double standard.
Steelrolled
(2,022 posts)Recognizing that early on helped to free my mind, and keeps me out of stupid arguments.