17-year-old arrested for murder and fleeing state after Kenosha shootings that left two dead

[irisblue]

Source: Independent

Total story, 1:20 pm eastern US time

A 17-year-old Illinois resident has been arrested by police for the murder of two Wisconsin protesters on Tuesday evening.

Kyle Rittenhouse of Antioch, Illinois, was arrested by the Antioch Police Department on Wednesday.

More follows…

Read more: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/kenosha-protest-shooting-kyle-rittenhouse-jacob-blake-a9690326.html

[soothsayer]

1. Well he might have a self defense argument

But whyyyyy did be he go in the first place and whyyyy didn’t the cops ask him to just go home early on instead of thanking him

[Aerator]

7. Self Defense

He might have a self defense case for the 2nd and 3rd shooting but the first shooting was nothing but 1rst degree homicide

[rzemanfl]

22. I don't think that's the way the law works once he has murdered someone. n/t

[oldsoftie]

59. I agree. You cant claim self defense if YOU started it.

At least not in GA you cant.

[Midnight Writer]

101. Right.For example, if the guys who tackled Gabbie Giffords' shooter had been shot, that is not SD.

[madville]

92. I would agree somewhat

It all depends on the first incident. The second victim was attempting to hit him with a skateboard and the third had drawn a handgun as he approached him from the videos I saw. Quite a mess either way from a self defense standpoint.

[NickB79]

97. The second and third victims were attempting to detain him for the first shooting

He has no right to self defense from them for trying to make a citizen's arrest for murder.

[madville]

105. Exactly

The second and third shootings will be judged on the basis of the first. If the first was an unlawful homicide, the second and third are easily criminal as well. If the first is viewed as self defense, then an argument can be made that the second and third were self defense as well.

It will all come down to how the first shooting incident is viewed at trial based on the evidence. If the verdict on the first is guilty then he has no valid self defense argument for the second and third.

[NickB79]

106. That's how I see it as well

I haven't heard much of anything about what went down with the first shooting.

Is it standard to try him sequentially, for each murder as they occurred?

[madville]

109. Haven't seen any good video of the first incident

The only one I’ve seen was from across a parking lot and they were behind some cars, can’t really see what is going on prior to the shots.

[olegramps]

8. This is directly tied to the irresponsible encouragement of Trump who has failed us.

[BadGimp]

44. AMEN- directly!!

[IronLionZion]

13. Out of state and armed, probably looking for trouble

These delusional people might think of themselves as supporting the police and fighting against lawless rioters or whatever. They never think of themselves as contributing to the problem of violence.

I would steer clear of such people. I hope nothing bad happens in the big march on Washington this Friday

[VA_Jill]

114. Damn straight

he was looking for trouble. WTF was he doing up there? And where were his parents? Did they even have a CLUE where he was or what he was doing? I bet we'll hear "Oh, he's always been such a GOOD boy. We had NO idea!" Meanwhile, there's a picture circulating of the punk as a little kid, posing with, you guessed it......

[julmur]

117. Wisconsin

according to most recent reports, his mommy drove him up to kenosha

[VA_Jill]

120. Then she

should be charged as an accessory. She's as guilty as he is.

[apnu]

57. Self Defense? Nope.

He can't own or possess a rifle at 17. If they try that it will fail in a second.

[Happy Hoosier]

63. If this is permitted as self-defense

then there is no reason for people to NOT go to an opposing rally, provoke a fight, and then just start shooting. What kind of country are we living in?

This kid came there.... WITH A GUN.... to do exactly what he did. MURDER.

[obamanut2012]

79. No he doesn't

lolz

[Kaleva]

115. Breaking Wi. law by being a minor in possession of a rifle will go against him

"Open carry is legal for any person who is 18 years or older who is not prohibited from possessing a firearm under state and federal laws."

https://www.usconcealedcarry.com/blog/wisconsin-gun-laws-what-you-need-to-know/

[Johnny2X2X]

2. Thank god

This kid is a terrorist and should do life without parole.

[AZ8theist]

85. Hopefully he gets a cell with Dahmers old roommate...

[Sherman A1]

3. Good

[still_one]

4. He needs to be tried as an adult

[Fla Dem]

14. Whoops, dup entry.

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[Fla Dem]

16. Yep, if he's old enough to own an AR-15, then he's an adult.

[brush]

35. Big problem for that terrorist kid. He's 17, not old enough to own...

that weapon, which makes it a bigger problem for his parents. A lot of people are in trouble over this as he's killed two people. One reason why 17-year-olds aren't allowed to own that weapon. Their brains, as far as responsibility and good judgment, haven't completely developed yet.

[patphil]

51. I don't think a few more years would have made a difference in this kid's brain development.

He obviously carries a whole load of hate in his heart, and a little more brain development ain't gonna change that. That kind of hate and violent behavior is most often taught to the person by adults around him.
He just needed a trigger event to allow him to pull the trigger.
You don't cross a state line ready for combat if the decision to commit an act of violence hasn't already been made.

Unfortunately these kinds of decisions are emotional and not rational. No amount of brain development is going to change that.

[brush]

54. I agree he's been radicalized, probably by his parents who...

like I said, are in big trouble because he's still under their care. And who provided that weapon to that under age kid? Even if he took it without permission they are still liable.

[patphil]

55. Oh Yeah!

[Lock him up.]

82. Or by FOX NEWS ... ins-h-anity... & hate Radio.

Remote + teevee + guns (illegal possession and carry? who cares about laws: the fascist IMPOTUS whines how much he's a VICTIM of bad ''fake news'' daily... wanna help him feel better... )

at 17... watch FOX NEWS every night... get BRAINWASHED with LIES for political gain (desperate gains...)

RICO the massively deadly tRump MOB

Over 180,000 confirmed victims of its cRiminal negligence for desperate political gain and counting

[dhol82]

111. Also, someone that age probably freaked out when somebody actually fought back.

During “training” he didn’t have resistance. He didn’t have people who really wanted to disarm him.
Poor brainwashed puppet. Hope he gets life in the slammer. Otherwise he comes out with a bigger chip on his shoulder.

[Dan]

66. If the young man was a POC - we would not be having this conversation

As to whether or not he should be charged as an adult.

[hibbing]

74. Wouldn't be charged at all, would be dead n/t

[Lunabell]

5. Arrested, not shot.

They'll probably buy him some burger king and give him cigarettes.

[Alacritous Crier]

17. HOW ABOUT THAT?!!

[Sherman A1]

33. Well, I hope that they include fries

and supersize it all

[Bayard]

6. Very glad to hear this!

[TeamPooka]

9. Fry him.

[obamanut2012]

80. Yes, murdering someone for murdering someone makes so much sense

[TeamPooka]

108. No you're right. He's only 17. He has a long history of murder and terrorism ahead of him

don't want to stop that.

[moriah]

119. Because killing people for killing people really teaches that killing people is wrong... right?

I always thought it actually taught that killing people was entirely correct, if that person "needed killin'".

And it's a very easy jump to make, if you think killing people who are not directly threatening your life in that moment is sometimes the correct course of action, to decide that a person "needs killin'".

Besides, the appeals process in death penalty cases often costs more than what it will cost to give him 3 hots and a cot for the rest of his likely long life. We'd have plenty of room and money to lock up such violent offenders as long as necessary if we stopped locking people up for non-violent drug offenses, too.

[slumcamper]

10. A "white vigilante" with his AR15.

[Miigwech]

11. Good news. Now, get some justice if it be possible.

[Turbineguy]

12. Right wing death squads

The hallmark of a failed state.

[greenjar_01]

15. Do they have an RNC speaking spot for him tonight?

[stillcool]

48. ouch.

[AZ8theist]

87. No, but a quick pardon followed by a high level Homeland Security job...

[dhol82]

113. Oh, come on - he would be perfect in the ICE militia.

[IronLionZion]

18. Domestic Terrorism

although he probably will claim self defense since unarmed people look dangerous to a paranoid idiot looking for an excuse to kill people

[videohead5]

19. At 17

He is not allowed to own a fire arm.

[Heartstrings]

28. Correct and I was just about to post that

Minimum age for open carry in the state of WI is 18. He was from Antioch, IL just a couple miles South across the IL border.

[apnu]

58. So he's going to pick up fleeing across state lines charge as well

There will be a very large book to throw at him.

[obamanut2012]

81. Yup, he was alos charged with being a fugitive from justice

This kid will be very lucky if he ever walks freely in fresh air and sunshine again.

[getagrip_already]

20. a youthful indiscretion they will say.....

It shouldn't ruin his whole life they will say......

Is he scheduled to speak at the rnc yet?

[sprinkleeninow]

49. he may produce a doc's note that he's afflicted with AFFLUENZA.. .

[getagrip_already]

112. trumpfluenza......

It will become the new right wing defense.

[12over]

21. underage for firearm ownership

one must be 18 in Ill. to purchase a long gun.

[SergeStorms]

29. Probably took Daddy's rifle...

probably took Daddy's vehicle as well. I wonder what his Daddy is like? I'll take a wild guess and say "Trump Humper". I could be wrong though, it's happened before.

[Heartstrings]

30. And minimum age for open carry in WI is 18. Nt

[sandensea]

23. No doubt sent by GOPee elements to stoke violence

Written all over him.

[SergeStorms]

31. Why the rubber gloves?

Fingerprints, gun powder residue? It's certainly not because he's terrified of contracting the COVID-19 virus.

[sandensea]

36. Bingo

More proof that the little shit was, in fact, put up to this.

[Midnight Writer]

46. I have read that they wear blue gloves so the police can identify them as "friendlies".

[SergeStorms]

50. With friends like that...

who needs enemies? I'm sure the police love them. They can do the shooting and then the police can stay clean.

[Alliepoo]

67. Hmmmm-interesting.

I guess that only applies if you’re white. Wonder if maybe the BLM people should wear blue gloves too. That would really confuse the cops and the militia jerks. Saw video of this little arsehole walking right up to a police car with his gun hanging on him. Couldn’t help but think if that was a black man they would’ve shot him dead.

[Midnight Writer]

100. In that same clip, you see him raise his gloved hand in the air towards the cops. His password.

Since this kid is underage for carrying a gun, and the cops talked with him, gave him a water, but did not challenge him, I wonder if the cops will be liable. The kid looks obviously underage.

[Traildogbob]

64. In case he had to touch a black

[obamanut2012]

83. It is to ID himself to the cops that he backs the blue

And is on their side. You can even see him showing his gloves to cops in one of the videos. It's why the cops gave these terrorists water and tahnked them for their help.

That is also on video.

[SergeStorms]

96. Unfreakingbelievable.

So the COPS actually want these assholes there?

[hydrolastic]

122. Second reference to this video today, where is this video where they give them water?

Second reference to this video today, where is this video where they give them water?

[Aristus]

24. He'd better hope he's a good swimmer.

Because evidently, they give you a reduced sentence for that...

[obamanut2012]

84. Even less of a sentence if he likes a good steak, too

[SergeStorms]

25. And he walked right past the police...

after the shootings and not one police officer even questioned him, let alone detain him.

[Heartstrings]

32. The police actually gave him water and thanked him for "helping them"

before he killed 2 protesters.

[SergeStorms]

39. Good thing he was white.

A Black man would have been killed in a hail of gunfire no matter what he was doing.

[hydrolastic]

123. Third reference to this video today, where is this video where they give them water?

Third reference to this video today, where is this video where they give them water?

[standingtall]

26. Shouldn't some type of legal action be taken against the Militia group he was a part of?

Seems to me if your going to have a Militia you should at least be able to screen your members to make sure their old enough to carry a firearm.

[still_one]

27. I think so. Among accomplices, sue their assets

[SergeStorms]

34. At this very moment...

militiamen in Illinois are hiding their most treasured weapons. Wife, car, house............. eh. Gotta' protect their 2nd amendment rights though.

[obamanut2012]

86. Conspiracy charges

[roamer65]

110. I hope the victims families get a good lawyer.

I want to see the Rittenhouse family homeless on the streets. Complete failure of parenting.

[Yonnie3]

37. Interview of Rittenhouse prior to shooting

Claimed interview video

Link to tweet

[SergeStorms]

40. What a little piece of shit he is.

"Putting myself in harm's way". Fucking little racist piece of shit! Then he runs away. Chicken shit little bastard.

[Traildogbob]

38. Did they

Take him to McDonalds for a burger on the way to jail? All the Dylan Roofs have been called to action. Open season, target practice on blacks. But it’s OUTSIDE the Beltway, right Meadows. Nobody really cares out here, so laws are meaningless.
I really wish every black athlete in every sport college and pro did a season boycott until justice starts applying. All the whites making billions on sports, may get a little more concerned. I would like to see every Green Bay Packer hit the streets with their bats to welcome the proud BOYS.

[SergeStorms]

41. +1,000,000

Un-fucking-believable. These are "republican values". This is the republican platform.

[SergeStorms]

93. The Bucks and Magic listened to you, Bob!

They're boycotting the game in Milwaukee as we speak! Good call.

[Traildogbob]

95. Outstanding!

Made my day. Thank for the heads up. OK Packers, what ya got?

[irisblue]

42. Regional paper has more info

Source--https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/crime/2020/08/26/illinois-teen-charged-homicide-kenosha-protest-case/5633334002


An Illinois man suspected of killing two people and wounding a third during a third night of protests in Kenosha has been arrested and is now jailed in Lake County, Illinois.

Court records show Kyle Rittenhouse, 17, has been charged there as a fugitive from justice. That document, reviewed by the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, said he faces a first-degree intentional homicide charge in Kenosha County.


The warrant referenced in Lake County records is not yet listed in Wisconsin online court records. Law enforcement officials have called a news conference for 1 p.m. today in Kenosha to discuss the overnight incident.

Based on Wisconsin law, Rittenhouse would be charged as an adult.


More at source

[SergeStorms]

52. Good!

That little prick should never be allowed to see the outside of a prison cell for the rest of his life.

[Alliepoo]

68. Amen to that.

[greenjar_01]

73. I mean, he can't go to the yard?

[ace3csusm]

43. What bothers me most is the way the cops just let him go they COPS should be held accountable for

letting a murder walk right by ... It shows what cowards they really are when someone else has a gun...THey need to be removed asap

[12over]

45. to be fair

there is nothing that indicates the police knew a shooting had happened.

there are two different videos... one of the shooting, and one of him approaching the police.

There is no indication of how far apart in time or physical location those videos were taken.

The shooter walking past the police could have been hours later and miles away.

[Bengus81]

56. It looks in the video like it's the same street and there are SWAT vehicles driving by

Two of them drive by, he approaches a cop car with his assault rifle and hands up for awhile and they do nothing. If they can shoot a black guy in the back for breaking up a domestic dispute then they sure as hell could have stopped that little PUKE and asked him WHY he's walking around brandishing an assault rifle.

[mcar]

60. Not true

Quite a few protesters were shooting video of the scene and graphic footage shared on social media by several show the shooter being pursued by several people, screaming and shouting, down the middle of the street. The shooter falls on the ground and turns his weapon at the people around him, shooting two people point-blank.

The shooter, clad in jeans, a green T-shirt, blue gloves and white ball cap, is then seen heading north toward several police tactical vehicles, his arms raised, according to video footage. The tactical vehicles drive by him toward the victims lying on the ground.

[Buckeye_Democrat]

62. And onlookers could be heard in the videos...

... yelling to those nearby police that he just shot people!

Some vehicles then moved forward to check on the victims, presumably, but the armed kid just passed by!

[12over]

65. I've only seen two vids.

the only videos i've seen are two separate ones.


if there is one continuous video... I'd love to see it.

[12over]

71. ah

here it is in one shot...

https://www.tmz.com/2020/08/26/vigilante-rifle-owner-cops-kenosha-wisconsin-militia-water-shooting/

[chia]

69. There's video of him shooting someone before he takes off down the street

Link to tweet

?s=20


I don't know where this is in the timeline though

Although I found this:

"It appeared there was a shooting before the chase. "

https://heavy.com/news/2020/08/kyle-rittenhouse/

[ace3csusm]

72. Thats the one i saw ... you can hear people yelling the police have failed

This is what happens when cops become friends with gun groups ... I think all departments need to start filtering out any cop who is involved with these groups ie Proud Boys, Boogolos etc and remove them from the force ... How would public feel if black cops where are blood and crip members would they be okay with that....

[SergeStorms]

94. Yep.

Clear as day. If there was a Black man out there brandishing an assault weapon he'd be shot down in a New York minute.

[Kali]

75. um hmmm

[julmur]

118. Wisconsin

actually there is a lot of video showing they knew a shooting just took place - protestors were screaming at the cops telling them that he had just shot people. my son & his group were there - the cops & white supremacists were boxing protestors in shortly before the killings happened.

[Dawson Leery]

47. kick

Try him as a adult.

[2naSalit]

53. Antioch...

Used to have a relative living there. Kind of wannabe rural suburb-ish.

[Voltaire2]

61. The idiot crossed state lines to murder.

Not a good idea.

His self defense angle is going to be very difficult to establish as he traveled to Wisconsin with his guns to the protests and then set out to shoot people.

If he lived in the area of the protests he might have been able to lie his way into self defense.

[Evolve Dammit]

70. "Fine people on both sides". Will probably have a time slot tonight or tomorrow at RNC.

[kimbutgar]

76. Did the officers arresting him stop and get him a meal and water before taking him in?

You know they didn’t want to arrest him. I am so pissed at law enforcement now and how they are turning into MF45’s fascist militia since the police unions were given a thumbs up.

[AllaN01Bear]

77. if biden gets in, i hope he shuts down these so called millitias .

call them by their real name " terroists "

[irisblue]

88. Dude, really I exploded? Rly?

Please oh please show me my explosion.
Thanks in advance

[Ligyron]

89. Parents, do you know where your children are?

Rittenhouse said. "And part of my job is to also help people. If there is somebody hurt I'm running into harms way. That's why I have my rifle because I need to protect myself obviously. I also have my med kit."

Translation: I love playing the super hero, plus maybe I'll even get to shoot somebody. That stuck up girl can't help but notice me then.

[paleotn]

90. It is extremely rare...

that I suggest the death penalty as just punishment. This is one of those rare cases. Fry his ass.

Oh....and the little white bread MFR's should realize, they're not the only ones with guns.

[Gothmog]

91. Malcom Nance is correct

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

[VA_Jill]

98. Punk

Not old enough to have a gun, brought it across state lines, and murdered someone. And he'll probably get charged as a juvenile because he's white.

[irisblue]

103. See post 42. He is being charged as an adult by Wisconsin.

He f-ed up his life forever.

[Baclava]

99. He won't last long in the federal pen, he better have good lawyers

[Vinca]

102. What a stupid, little shit. In a matter of seconds his life is ruined forever.

It's pretty disturbing to know that teenagers can roam the streets of a city with military weapons and it seems it's no big deal anymore.

[Baclava]

104. Not to mention the dead victims he caused, and crossed state lines to play with his bubba'd up gun

Being extradited from IL to WI

[SunSeeker]

107. This is what happens when the president glamorizes vigilantes.

Link to tweet

?s=20

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

116. Lock him up!!!!!

[Linda Ed]

121. Where are the parents?

Why on God's Green Earth would a parent allow a 17 year old high school student to have an AK15 in the first place? I mean what the hell is wrong with these parents?