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TomCADem

(17,387 posts)
Mon Nov 9, 2020, 11:12 PM Nov 2020

Poll: 70 percent of Republicans don't think the election was free and fair

Source: MSN/Politico

After the presidential race was called for Democratic candidate Joe Biden, Republicans’ trust in the election system plummeted, while Democrats’ trust soared, according to a new POLITICO/Morning Consult poll.

Multiple new organizations announced Biden as the election winner on Saturday after four days of counting in several swing states. Following the news, 70 percent of Republicans now say they don’t believe the 2020 election was free and fair, a stark rise from the 35 percent of GOP voters who held similar beliefs before the election. Meanwhile, trust in the election system grew for Democrats, many who took to the streets to celebrate Biden’s victory on Saturday. Ninety percent of Democrats now say the election was free and fair, up from 52 percent before Nov. 3 who thought it would be.

Among Republicans who believed that the election wasn’t free and fair, 78 percent believed that mail-in voting led to widespread voter fraud and 72 percent believed that ballots were tampered with — both claims that have made a constant appearance on the president’s Twitter thread. Like President Donald Trump, a majority of the people that thought the election was unfair, 84 percent, said it benefited Biden.

The lack of trust in the election system has led to Republicans being more skeptical about the election results. Although only 18 percent of Republicans had said the results would be unreliable prior to Election Day, now 64 percent feel the same way following Biden’s victory. By contrast, 86 percent of Democrats say they trust the results.

Read more: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/poll-70-percent-of-republicans-dont-think-the-election-was-free-and-fair/ar-BB1aQH3N?li=BBnb7Kz



The scary thing is that this sets the stage for Trump and Republicans to just try hold on to power and act as if Trump won. In fact, because Republicans are only concerned about their base, they may feel obligated to see this through, particularly since Trump can now install someone who is loyal as his Secretary of Defense.
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Poll: 70 percent of Republicans don't think the election was free and fair (Original Post) TomCADem Nov 2020 OP
the explosion of fake news via propaganda. It's now all a belief system. Scary shit. NRaleighLiberal Nov 2020 #1
If you Trump did not leave office in January, what would you do? TomCADem Nov 2020 #3
break every fuckin' window in every fuckin' bank in town, to start. Dyedinthewoolliberal Nov 2020 #9
Block internet / cell phones. Cut the cable TV. Landlines restricted to secret service. My Pet Orangutan Nov 2020 #34
70% of republicans are fucking dittoheads. why is anyone surprised? certainot Nov 2020 #24
Randi Rhodes posted this on twitter.. StaunchDemocrat1957 Nov 2020 #53
This is all so ridiculous.. CatMor Nov 2020 #2
Of Course Biden won. But Trump/McConnell do not care. TomCADem Nov 2020 #4
At this point they should have to put up or shut up .. CatMor Nov 2020 #10
9 lawsuits in a row with no evidence of such fraud got tossed out by the Courts. Lock him up. Nov 2020 #41
Now his base is narcissistic EndlessWire Nov 2020 #45
poor little snowflakes, whaaaaaaaa. nt yaesu Nov 2020 #5
fuck their feelings..... fantase56 Nov 2020 #6
In a related story ... NanceGreggs Nov 2020 #7
If the Dems had been asked about fair elections DENVERPOPS Nov 2020 #12
Snowflake meme OhZone Nov 2020 #8
How long until people Miguelito Loveless Nov 2020 #11
I just had a realization BumRushDaShow Nov 2020 #13
Agh, are the Repukes sad that there was insufficient Russian interference in this election? NCjack Nov 2020 #14
70% of Republicans are vulgar spiteful assholes. cstanleytech Nov 2020 #15
Beat me to it..... AZ8theist Nov 2020 #17
Nice pic there Politico underpants Nov 2020 #16
I've been monitoring some of their fringe groups since the election. Hanzzy72 Nov 2020 #18
which shows how easily manipulated they are Skittles Nov 2020 #19
voted twice for trump orleans Nov 2020 #20
YEAH, Barr, someone needs to look into how Trump did so much better than the polling William Seger Nov 2020 #49
Reality and facts are not their strong suit frazzled Nov 2020 #21
They go on social media looking for posts to confirm their delusions and they argue it's the truth. Lock him up. Nov 2020 #51
Oh, I know how it ends!!! louis-t Nov 2020 #22
They can fuck themselves. Scalded Nun Nov 2020 #23
Brainwashing-- for the US to succeed we will need deprogramming of the Trump cult andym Nov 2020 #25
Same ballot - Accept only some of the results? keithbvadu2 Nov 2020 #26
This is so simple yet so true LiberalLovinLug Nov 2020 #48
GOP: you cheated, and STILL LOST! (remember DeJoy?--and that's just one instance) Get over it. C Moon Nov 2020 #27
Did they drink the Kool Aid? IsItJustMe Nov 2020 #28
These are the white people... BaronChocula Nov 2020 #29
They know that Trump always tells the truth - because he says so. Kablooie Nov 2020 #30
Only 7 in 10, I'm actually surprised it's not 10 in 10 ... jb5150 Nov 2020 #31
I agree. This number means the vast majority of the population has some common sense Blasphemer Nov 2020 #73
Oh are we back to believing pollsters? Really? flibbitygiblets Nov 2020 #32
Happily the few protests I've seen are chill Steelrolled Nov 2020 #33
The mail-in papaer ballots prevented the rethugs from cheating and they are pissed. F-em. nt iluvtennis Nov 2020 #35
The GOP is compromised by Putin. We can't let them decide how our elections come out. C Moon Nov 2020 #36
Stand up to them! dexdah Nov 2020 #37
The election was free and fair... and I seem to remember two elections stolen from us yuiyoshida Nov 2020 #38
I agree, Republicans sabotaged, the USPS, reduced polling places, purged voter rolls............... W T F Nov 2020 #39
PERCENT OF WHAT NUMBER. NO ACTUAL NUMBERS OF HOW MANY REPUBLICANS THERE ARE IS EVER GIVEN. ancianita Nov 2020 #40
Bingo onetexan Nov 2020 #43
Translation: It's only fair if they win. Initech Nov 2020 #42
Proving once again the GOP is the Stupid party Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Nov 2020 #44
There is no way, no method to conduct an election where Biden wins no_hypocrisy Nov 2020 #46
Which state did he tell to vote twice? EndlessWire Nov 2020 #47
I mean, id guess a decent chunk of Democrats are aware the election wasnt free and fair quakerboy Nov 2020 #50
I'm the editor of a data science site with a weekly newsletter kurtcagle Nov 2020 #52
That's because None of them thought that there were more of us that hated Trump .... StaunchDemocrat1957 Nov 2020 #54
Bunch of sootflakes. truthisfreedom Nov 2020 #55
I suspect... jmowreader Nov 2020 #56
It wasn't fair. And Biden won in spite of the gop cheating. olddad65 Nov 2020 #57
I'm 70% sure that 2016 wasn't free and fair. JustABozoOnThisBus Nov 2020 #58
The elections have been openly fucked with since 2000. Dave Starsky Nov 2020 #59
Close to 100% of Republicans watch Faux News most every day. Roisin Ni Fiachra Nov 2020 #60
Fuck them. SergeStorms Nov 2020 #61
No one trusts polls anymore. BlueTsunami2018 Nov 2020 #62
Seventy percent of repuglicans need to be beaten with dimensional lumber. eom lastlib Nov 2020 #63
I guess Faux News doesn't MissMillie Nov 2020 #64
100% of Republicans have been lied to FakeNoose Nov 2020 #65
I guess we had far too much assistance from Russia. (😆) Firestorm49 Nov 2020 #66
They're right about that. n/t malthaussen Nov 2020 #67
Of course they did. Did we expect otherwise? Hate for democrats (Libtards) is what they live for. nt Hotler Nov 2020 #68
Republicans are like the Chinese Communist Party in the way they prioritize party over country Politicub Nov 2020 #69
100% of Democrats don't care what they think. llmart Nov 2020 #70
It was more than fair, because Zing Zing Zingbah Nov 2020 #71
Did the same people think the 2016 election was free and fair? TexasBushwhacker Nov 2020 #72
Fixed it Poll: 70 percent of Republicans don't think PERIOD JustFiveMoreMinutes Nov 2020 #74

TomCADem

(17,387 posts)
3. If you Trump did not leave office in January, what would you do?
Mon Nov 9, 2020, 11:16 PM
Nov 2020

Well, in the alternate fake news/QAnon universe that many conservatives live in, they are already at that point believing that the Presidency was stolen from them. This is why you have the White House actively fanning the flames.

53. Randi Rhodes posted this on twitter..
Tue Nov 10, 2020, 03:13 AM
Nov 2020

Randi Rhodes
@RandiRhodes
Hours after Barr tells federal prosecutors to investigate any "substantial allegations" of voter fraud, Justice Department official who oversees investigations of voter fraud, Richard Pilger, QUITS!

Thank you

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Trump is up to something!

TomCADem

(17,387 posts)
4. Of Course Biden won. But Trump/McConnell do not care.
Mon Nov 9, 2020, 11:18 PM
Nov 2020

Republicans are in too deep. Do we really expect after four years of Trump, that they are suddenly going to respect rule of law?

CatMor

(6,212 posts)
10. At this point they should have to put up or shut up ..
Mon Nov 9, 2020, 11:29 PM
Nov 2020

show some proof there was cheating. Everyone knows they can't because cheating did not take place by Democrats. Do they think if they cause enough chaos trump will be President. If so they are sorely mistaken.

Lock him up.

(6,928 posts)
41. 9 lawsuits in a row with no evidence of such fraud got tossed out by the Courts.
Tue Nov 10, 2020, 01:55 AM
Nov 2020
What did they do? File a 10th lawsuit with (you guessed it) no evidence provided.

NanceGreggs

(27,814 posts)
7. In a related story ...
Mon Nov 9, 2020, 11:20 PM
Nov 2020

... 100% of Democrats don't give a fuck what Republicans think - especially in view of the fact that for the past four years, Republicans have proven themselves incapable of thinking at all.

DENVERPOPS

(8,820 posts)
12. If the Dems had been asked about fair elections
Mon Nov 9, 2020, 11:31 PM
Nov 2020

in 2000 and 2004, they would have had the same poll results. just saying.

In all three cases, the RepubliCONs are the ones that have corrupted these elections.


The reality is, that this RepubliCon Party is he most thoroughly corrupt political party in the history of our nation.

BumRushDaShow

(128,940 posts)
13. I just had a realization
Mon Nov 9, 2020, 11:33 PM
Nov 2020

sortof OTT CT but... As much as we have accused the GOP of finding ways to suppress the votes (of Democrats), including dicking around with the touchscreen machines - well imagine if Democrats had an alternative to the machine - say "mail-in ballots" (which are hand-marked and scanned). Why... something like that would completely bypass those "pre-programmed" (in quotes) machines, wouldn't they?

And that lead to the knee-capping of the USPS. But then those pesky "drop boxes" appeared so now we get treated with a fusillade of frivolous lawsuits while they pound the air with their fists yelling "Curses!!! Foiled again!"



It's like a mass hysteria version of the Karl Rove meltdown in 2012!

AZ8theist

(5,459 posts)
17. Beat me to it.....
Mon Nov 9, 2020, 11:39 PM
Nov 2020

I was going to say 70,000,000 Americans are fucking assholes.
But I like your phrasing better....

Hanzzy72

(51 posts)
18. I've been monitoring some of their fringe groups since the election.
Mon Nov 9, 2020, 11:42 PM
Nov 2020

These people are dangerous. Their reality is so distorted...they actually think Trump is going to arrest everyone. If he tries something crazy they will absolutely support him regardless of what the election results say.

William Seger

(10,778 posts)
49. YEAH, Barr, someone needs to look into how Trump did so much better than the polling
Tue Nov 10, 2020, 02:24 AM
Nov 2020

I think the bastard damn near stole it!

frazzled

(18,402 posts)
21. Reality and facts are not their strong suit
Mon Nov 9, 2020, 11:57 PM
Nov 2020

It scares the living daylights out of me that the country I thought I knew is populated by many millions of people who are living in some alternate reality of their own. It’s truly frightening and depressing. Maybe when their dear leader fades away they’ll just kind of retreat underground. They don’t even really have Fox News to reinforce their craziness anymore. At least on this particular score.

Lock him up.

(6,928 posts)
51. They go on social media looking for posts to confirm their delusions and they argue it's the truth.
Tue Nov 10, 2020, 02:40 AM
Nov 2020
Because "if it's on the Internet (or social media today), it must be true."

Here's the one about Dominion Voting Systems in Michigan debunked on Snopes:

RUMOR ALERT: Dominion Voting Systems Fraud Claims
Isolated incidents that were quickly rectified were used to imply widespread voter fraud was occurring in 2020.

Link: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/rumor-alert-dominion-voting-systems-fraud-claims/

And then, when one or two rumors don't work, they invent new ones and post them:




louis-t

(23,292 posts)
22. Oh, I know how it ends!!!
Tue Nov 10, 2020, 12:01 AM
Nov 2020

Just like the 'investigations' of Hillary Clinton. Some asshole Republican will slither up to a podium and announce "Well, we haven't found anything yet but we still have a lot of QUESTIONS!!!"

Scalded Nun

(1,236 posts)
23. They can fuck themselves.
Tue Nov 10, 2020, 12:11 AM
Nov 2020

Just like a spoiled little brat, the will never be happy unless they get everything they want. Even then they will never be happy.

andym

(5,443 posts)
25. Brainwashing-- for the US to succeed we will need deprogramming of the Trump cult
Tue Nov 10, 2020, 12:16 AM
Nov 2020

The question is how to accomplish it?

LiberalLovinLug

(14,173 posts)
48. This is so simple yet so true
Tue Nov 10, 2020, 02:24 AM
Nov 2020

Looking at it from the other side; If ballots WERE tampered by Democrats, why would they not also tick down ballot boxes too while they're at it?

C Moon

(12,213 posts)
27. GOP: you cheated, and STILL LOST! (remember DeJoy?--and that's just one instance) Get over it.
Tue Nov 10, 2020, 12:41 AM
Nov 2020

When we try this again in 2022, you're going to be picking yourselves up off the floor.

IsItJustMe

(7,012 posts)
28. Did they drink the Kool Aid?
Tue Nov 10, 2020, 12:46 AM
Nov 2020

Or, do they just like to Frick with our heads? A little of both I think. Any time I talk with a Republican or listen to rump I walk away with a case of Cognitive Dissidence. I have to remember to just walk away. Some things just are. LOL

Kablooie

(18,634 posts)
30. They know that Trump always tells the truth - because he says so.
Tue Nov 10, 2020, 12:53 AM
Nov 2020

They seem to just believe everything the lying piece of shit says.

But they believe evangelical preaching con men too.
Republicans seem to seek out dishonest, selfish creeps just so they can debase themselves by believing everything they say.

jb5150

(1,178 posts)
31. Only 7 in 10, I'm actually surprised it's not 10 in 10 ...
Tue Nov 10, 2020, 12:53 AM
Nov 2020

In any case, I'm past the point of caring ....

Blasphemer

(3,261 posts)
73. I agree. This number means the vast majority of the population has some common sense
Tue Nov 10, 2020, 03:42 PM
Nov 2020

There's probably 25% that is unreachably nuts. The same 25% that never abandoned GWB.

flibbitygiblets

(7,220 posts)
32. Oh are we back to believing pollsters? Really?
Tue Nov 10, 2020, 12:54 AM
Nov 2020

Shoe me once, shoes on you
Shoe me twice...I'm keepin' those shoes

...Will Ferrell (as George W Bush on SNL)

 

Steelrolled

(2,022 posts)
33. Happily the few protests I've seen are chill
Tue Nov 10, 2020, 12:54 AM
Nov 2020

I think the prediction of violent protests was more bullshit dreamed up on social media and amplified by cable news.

C Moon

(12,213 posts)
36. The GOP is compromised by Putin. We can't let them decide how our elections come out.
Tue Nov 10, 2020, 01:08 AM
Nov 2020

They don't want Biden, because many of them are going to prison for treason—the ring leader Moscow Mitch, included.

Whatever they are planning, will NOT be fair, and it will not be true. They need to abide by our laws. I can see them wanting to recount ballots with their own representatives and nobody else present, and I bet they'll request this from the Supreme Court.

yuiyoshida

(41,831 posts)
38. The election was free and fair... and I seem to remember two elections stolen from us
Tue Nov 10, 2020, 01:27 AM
Nov 2020

one involving AL GORE and one involving HILLARY CLINTON. So, Republicans sit on it and rotate!

W T F

(1,147 posts)
39. I agree, Republicans sabotaged, the USPS, reduced polling places, purged voter rolls...............
Tue Nov 10, 2020, 01:40 AM
Nov 2020

But that’s ok, Democrats came out in numbers and overwhelmed their pathetic attempts to steal the election. USA🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸

ancianita

(36,053 posts)
40. PERCENT OF WHAT NUMBER. NO ACTUAL NUMBERS OF HOW MANY REPUBLICANS THERE ARE IS EVER GIVEN.
Tue Nov 10, 2020, 01:53 AM
Nov 2020

This can't be a credible claim unless we know the exact number of Republicans in the US.

Does anyone have a link? I can't find any count online.

Such discussions are shady imaginings when we can't know what the real numbers are behind some claimed percentage.

no_hypocrisy

(46,095 posts)
46. There is no way, no method to conduct an election where Biden wins
Tue Nov 10, 2020, 02:14 AM
Nov 2020

and the Republicans would believe it was a fair election process.

EndlessWire

(6,526 posts)
47. Which state did he tell to vote twice?
Tue Nov 10, 2020, 02:21 AM
Nov 2020

Remember that? Trump deserved to lose. He lost fair and square with pushback from those workers determined to do their jobs fair and square.

It pisses me off that the GOP is now impugning the integrity of those workers.

quakerboy

(13,920 posts)
50. I mean, id guess a decent chunk of Democrats are aware the election wasnt free and fair
Tue Nov 10, 2020, 02:27 AM
Nov 2020

Between Dejoy, the Florida republicans reaction to voters allowing felons to vote, and all the rest of the more local supression efforts.. Trump and his klan did their level best to make sure that the vote wouldnt be fair.

And they still lost.

kurtcagle

(1,602 posts)
52. I'm the editor of a data science site with a weekly newsletter
Tue Nov 10, 2020, 03:01 AM
Nov 2020

As part of that newsletter, I usually write a short two or three-paragraph blurb summing up the previous week, and this time around I wrote specifically about the election and the fact that data science has real-world implications.

I received a letter to the editor accusing me of bias because I had made the statement that the media had made the calls for Joe Biden, his letter saying not only that real machine learning techniques would have proven that the race was stolen by Biden and that Biden was not yet legitimate and probably shouldn't be. I figured - hey, someone who knows about machine learning enough to talk about it, lets' engage him in conversation and see where it leads. Where it led was down the same rabbit hole I expected it would - shadowy cabals, unsubstantiated analysis going deep into conspiracy theory land. There are entirely too many who have drunk the koolaid already.

54. That's because None of them thought that there were more of us that hated Trump ....
Tue Nov 10, 2020, 03:16 AM
Nov 2020

than those who loved him.. They thought they were in the majority!

jmowreader

(50,557 posts)
56. I suspect...
Tue Nov 10, 2020, 04:15 AM
Nov 2020

"the election wasn't free and fair" to the Republicans means "a Democrat won the presidency."

At this point in time, I really don't care whether Republicans think, the election was fair, because I know they never will - simply because they don't give a flying fuck about election integrity so long as a Republican wins.

The worst part is, if we could find incontrovertible proof Putin and Trump manipulated the election, which they probably did, to put Trump back in office over the will of the people, they'd stick their fingers in their ears, close their eyes real tight, and yell out "Fake news! Fake news! La-la-la-la...I can't hear you! Fake news!"

Therefore, the thing to do is to just let Trump scream all the way to January 20, when he's being carried out of the White House screaming "I won bigly! It was stolen! No one voted for Sleepy Joe!"

JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,339 posts)
58. I'm 70% sure that 2016 wasn't free and fair.
Tue Nov 10, 2020, 06:16 AM
Nov 2020

They say "Benghazi", I say "Comey".

Now, I say "cheese" while they whine.

Dave Starsky

(5,914 posts)
59. The elections have been openly fucked with since 2000.
Tue Nov 10, 2020, 06:34 AM
Nov 2020

With the whole Bush v Gore fiasco.

But the voter suppression and other shenanigans have gone on, to varying degrees, since the beginning.

Roisin Ni Fiachra

(2,574 posts)
60. Close to 100% of Republicans watch Faux News most every day.
Tue Nov 10, 2020, 07:14 AM
Nov 2020

They are irrevocably brainwashed, and are living in a Matrix like alternate reality.

SergeStorms

(19,201 posts)
61. Fuck them.
Tue Nov 10, 2020, 08:02 AM
Nov 2020

And people want me to make nice with these assholes? They listen to Mango Mussolini and believe his every word. They're fucking morons.

Hotler

(11,421 posts)
68. Of course they did. Did we expect otherwise? Hate for democrats (Libtards) is what they live for. nt
Tue Nov 10, 2020, 11:35 AM
Nov 2020

Politicub

(12,165 posts)
69. Republicans are like the Chinese Communist Party in the way they prioritize party over country
Tue Nov 10, 2020, 12:07 PM
Nov 2020

They want a one-party state. I'm sick of them and sick of hearing about them.

It was nice to have a couple of days where I wasn't anxious about politics. Now the old feeling is back with the ACA case and the attempt at damaging the perception of the election being fair.

Zing Zing Zingbah

(6,496 posts)
71. It was more than fair, because
Tue Nov 10, 2020, 01:59 PM
Nov 2020

EC gives them way more of a chance with unpopular candidates than popular vote does. They are whiny butts who can't except the rest of us do not like Trump. They live in a delusional world where all their media tells them they are right and everyone loves Trump. This election didn't jive with their persepctive, so they think it must be wrong.

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