Poison gas, firing squads: US approves more execution methods
Source: Al Jazeera
Outgoing Trump administration paves way for additional methods of executing prisoners sentenced to death.
28 Nov 2020
The outgoing administration of President Donald Trump is paving the way for additional methods of executing prisoners who have been sentenced to death in the United States.
The Justice Department is quietly amending its execution protocols, no longer requiring federal death sentences to be carried out by lethal injection and clearing the way to use other methods like firing squads and poison gas.
The amended rule, published on Friday in the Federal Register, allows the US government to conduct executions by lethal injection or use any other manner prescribed by the law of the state in which the sentence was imposed.
A number of states allow other methods of execution, including electrocution, inhaling nitrogen gas or death by firing squad.
Read more: https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/11/28/new-rule-could-allow-gas-firing-squads-for-us-executions
elleng
(131,189 posts)'or use any other manner prescribed by the law of the state in which the sentence was imposed.'
mr_lebowski
(33,643 posts)States have their own rules, this is just saying the Federal executions can use the state rules.
That seems to me like it's probably not going to stand up in court though. The state where the sentence was imposed is not really relevant in a federal case. I mean, it COULD be where the crime took place (and only that one state) but so many federal crimes are multi-state by nature, and you could tried in a totally different state anyway.
elleng
(131,189 posts)Confusing.
truthisfreedom
(23,159 posts)There is so sensation of suffocation, its painless and foolproof. Air is 80% nitrogen so our bodies react to it normally. You just go to sleep and die.
mr_lebowski
(33,643 posts)100% mix of nitrous for awhile I'm sure will put you out for good too.
Helium works as well.
truthisfreedom
(23,159 posts)marble falls
(57,350 posts)Judi Lynn
(160,644 posts)marble falls
(57,350 posts)ahoysrcsm
(787 posts)marble falls
(57,350 posts)These are the real deal
Search "botched executions in the US". I'm not posting any of them because they are truly mind-bending.
mitch96
(13,929 posts)"feasibility" study's to pad your buddies pockets with the promise of a kick back, eh? cynical me...
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marble falls
(57,350 posts)mitch96
(13,929 posts)marmar
(77,097 posts)forgotmylogin
(7,539 posts)No gas necessary, just a sealed chamber where oxygen can be removed. (Perhaps this is the same thing? Flooding a chamber with nitrogen to push out the oxygen?)
They subject fighter pilots to it so they are used to low-oxygen atmospheres and emergencies and they can learn to recognize the effects and try to work through a crisis.
A journalist on a (BBC?) video experienced it and said it was oddly euphoric and not painful before they stopped the process so he wouldn't die. They said a subject during execution would feel tired and drift calmly to unconsciousness well before death.
(I'm not for death penalty in general, but this sounded like the closest method to "humane".)
marble falls
(57,350 posts)marmar
(77,097 posts)polmaven
(9,463 posts)In my opinion death sentences should be completely illegal! The government has no more of a right to kill than does anyone else. It is, in my opinion, murder in either case!
marble falls
(57,350 posts)polmaven
(9,463 posts)PatSeg
(47,643 posts)The whole concept of state sanctioned murder is unsettling and uncivilized. Over 100 countries have abolished the death penalty. We used to be a world leader in human rights for the most part, yet we still engage in this barbaric form on punishment. How can anyone condone this in the 21st century?
Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)If you can't convince even the most liberal people in America of the senselessness of the death penalty, then there isn't much hope of abolishing it.
marble falls
(57,350 posts)And not so much for the American public. In some states like New York, less than 40% favor it. Even in states that do, the numbers aren't more than 65% for it - and mainly rural, red states.
https://deathpenaltyinfo.org/facts-and-research/public-opinion-polls
Public opinion polls show that support for the death penalty is currently near historic lows after peaking in 1994 and declining over the last 25 years.
Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)I'm saying there's no shortage of people here who want it. Public opinion polls don't mean that much when it's mostly a state issue. The best you can hope for is the blue states who have abolished or effectively abolished it already anyway. There's something which can be done at the federal level such as limiting law enforcement funds to states which still have the DP, and abolishing it at the federal level, but that doesn't happen without a clear consensus within our own party.
marble falls
(57,350 posts)... Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Iran, Egypt, Angola, and Afghanistan: ashamed.
And we have the bloody nerve to lecture other countries about human rights. There also was a time when we were number one in education worldwide. When I was a kid, there was no expense too great for our schools and I took that for granted at the time.
We were never a perfect nation, but until recent years we were evolving. I don't know when we started to backslide, but I'm thinking it was during the Reagan years. Sadly after Eisenhower, it seems that every republican administration was responsible in some way for our decline. That is probably a bit too simplistic, being as a people, we have changed as well and our elected officials would be a reflection of that.
marble falls
(57,350 posts)PatSeg
(47,643 posts)see it all while it is happening on a day-to-day basis. Everyone was so distracted with their runaway consumerism, they stopped paying attention to current events and schools stopped teaching kids about government and world affairs. It didn't happen overnight, it just feels like it sometimes.
marble falls
(57,350 posts)Solly Mack
(90,791 posts)End the DP.
LymphocyteLover
(5,660 posts)nebby70
(471 posts)... isn't it refreshing they never seem to have a solution beyond inflicting harm ...
The Genealogist
(4,723 posts)Of course it is not just simply an eye for an eye. I think it gives them a real jolt when someone is put to death or physically punished severely.
IsItJustMe
(7,012 posts)"An eye for an eye, and everyone goes blind."
The same people who supposedly want to save the unborn babies are the same people who just loves them some death penalty and the same people who refuse to wear a mask. I guess it's alright to infect the babies as long as it don't interfere with their supposed constitutional rights. Tortured pretzel logic, If you ask me.
LiberalLovinLug
(14,178 posts)I was going to bring this up if no one else did.
The Pro Life party sure is obsessed with all the ways you can implement State sanctioned premeditated murder.
no_hypocrisy
(46,231 posts)and ban those practices?
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,461 posts)Last edited Sat Nov 28, 2020, 09:53 AM - Edit history (1)
woman in decades. The cruelty is the point.
marble falls
(57,350 posts)bucolic_frolic
(43,360 posts)Roots in 1930s emerging Nazi state revealed
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marble falls
(57,350 posts)... is how it starts.
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marble falls
(57,350 posts)... numbers.
vlyons
(10,252 posts)Such a cruel and vindictive person
gab13by13
(21,438 posts)while in prison would do me in.
sinkingfeeling
(51,479 posts)marble falls
(57,350 posts)... past couching it in our name.
rickyhall
(4,889 posts)40 years of repub oppression has worn me out, things never seem to get any better. Trump might be dragged out of the white house but the fascists remain in Congress.
KPN
(15,665 posts)I am so sick and tired of this small minded prick and his hypocritical evangelical Christian supporters. January 20 cant come soon enough.
Vinca
(50,318 posts)Then we can surprise Don and tell him we've brought back the guillotine. It'll be a pay-per-view event so he'll love it.
FailureToCommunicate
(14,026 posts)potty chair and force him to listen to Up With People recordings while watching Doris Day movies...
Or... just keel haul him.
sir pball
(4,761 posts)It's a mythical Persian method, but I'd be open to trying it out for realsies. I won't give any details here; it makes the Brazen Bull look downright humane.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scaphism
3Hotdogs
(12,437 posts)Put executions on pay for view TV.
Charge $100 per tv to watch the warden strap a couple of battery cables to the guy's nuts. Charge another $50 to be in the lottery to be the one who gets to call in "Go!" to the execution chamber.
Demonaut
(8,931 posts)us
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marble falls
(57,350 posts)twodogsbarking
(9,842 posts)is very, very good at killing people. We excel.
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,461 posts)3825-87867
(855 posts)We have all these "wonderful" new (used to be supposedly attempted humane and/or "painless" ways to legally kill people yet a terminally ill person must suffer sometimes months or years rather than the Republicans allow euthanasia.
God Damn Hypocrites!
Barbaric!
Throck
(2,520 posts)Put em in a closed room with Trump tapes for 2 hours.
3825-87867
(855 posts)Don't for get the lock(s)! Now where did I put that key...
2 hours -24 hours - a few days - maybe we can't tell time? maybe something else came up? Or maybe the memory lapse is kicking in?
Ziggysmom
(3,421 posts)Per Amnesty International:
Jurors
Jurors in many US death penalty cases must be 'death eligible'. This means the prospective juror must be willing to convict the accused knowing that a sentence of death is a possibility.
This results in a jury biased in favour of the death penalty, since no one who opposes the death penalty is likely to be accepted as a juror.
Lawyers
There's much concern in the USA that the legal system doesn't always provide poor accused people with good lawyers.
Out of all offenders who are sentenced to death, three quarters of those who are allocated a legal aid lawyer can expect execution, a figure that drops to a quarter if the defendant could afford to pay for a lawyer.
Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)The standard of guilt in the US isn't absolute and never will be. You will hear people right here on DU say they are OK with the death penalty so long as we can be assured the person is guilty, which is impossible. To support their flawed argument they will point to the worst sort of killers as if an appeal to emotion somehow makes their fallacy less so.
Even in some kind of fantasy world if one were to imagine only the guilty are put to death, you still have the fact it's applied disparately and it serves zero useful purpose to society or even the victims.
soryang
(3,299 posts)I don't understand how people don't get this. They just don't understand how the criminal justice system really works.
Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)Other countries have just managed to figure out that attitude accomplishes nothing and is counterproductive to a civilized society.
Bigredhunk
(1,351 posts)Jeez. I wanted a THE RUNNING MAN game show. What a bore this clown is.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Response to NurseJackie (Reply #40)
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marble falls
(57,350 posts)... without the flaying!!!
Paladin
(28,277 posts)PatSeg
(47,643 posts)at Joe Biden who does not believe in the death penalty and has said that as president, he would work to end executions. That would be so like Trump to do this out of spite.
Scalded Nun
(1,242 posts)kimbutgar
(21,222 posts)Be used on him.
Hotler
(11,452 posts)That whole pro-life/pro-death penalty thing he has going on. he is one of the leaders of the attempted fascist coup.
BusyBeingBest
(8,059 posts)JohnnyRingo
(18,662 posts)We could put the death row prisoners in some kind of work camp until their execution, then lead them en masse into a shower building that fills with poison gas once they're inside. Look at all the money we'll save over using bullets with firing squads!
I think there may be an old patent on that though.
roamer65
(36,747 posts)BobTheSubgenius
(11,572 posts)Defenestration?
J Magarac
(73 posts)DemoTex
(25,405 posts)joanbarnes
(1,723 posts)Traildogbob
(8,830 posts)That seemed like a cool way to kill. Good enough for the savior, the last one God sent, why not this orange one.
The cross has a completely new meaning now. Why KaaLee MagaNinnie and other Christians are so proud to wear that lower case t around their neck. It stands for tRump. If he is re-elected the cross will become a capital T to all evilgelicals world wide. That top section played no roll in the crucifixion any way.
After a conviction of treason by the liberal Jew lovers we can crucify Trump on a giant T in his honor, pay per view, on a hill, (capital Hill) in DC. If he arises in 3 days, well, we are fucked.
LudwigPastorius
(9,191 posts)Because, that's the one that Trump is most afraid of...
Danmel
(4,932 posts)hay rick
(7,648 posts)Trump wants to be a macho, macho man!
Xolodno
(6,406 posts)Kidding aside, the Death Penalty should be abolished.
The massive amount of money spent on court appeals could be better spent on identifying potential sicko's ahead of time and keeping an eye out.