Giuliani is said to have discussed a possible pardon with Trump.

[BumRushDaShow]

Source: New York Times

Rudolph W. Giuliani, President Trump’s lawyer who has led the most extensive efforts to damage his client’s political rivals and undermine the election results, discussed with the president as recently as last week the possibility of receiving a pre-emptive pardon before Mr. Trump leaves office, according to two people told of the discussion.

It was not clear who raised the topic. The men have also talked previously about a pardon for Mr. Giuliani, according to the people. Mr. Trump has not indicated what he will do, one of the people said.

Mr. Giuliani’s potential criminal exposure is unclear. He was under investigation as recently as last summer by federal prosecutors in Manhattan for his business dealings in Ukraine and his role in ousting the American ambassador there, a plot that was at the heart of the impeachment of Mr. Trump.

Mr. Giuliani did not respond to a message seeking comment. Christianne Allen, his spokeswoman, said, “Mayor Giuliani cannot comment on any discussions that he has with his client.” Mr. Giuliani’s lawyer, Robert Costello, said, “He’s not concerned about this investigation, because he didn’t do anything wrong and that’s been our position from Day 1.” A spokeswoman for Mr. Trump did not respond to an email seeking comment.

Read more: https://www.nytimes.com/live/2020/12/01/us/joe-biden-trump/giuliani-is-said-to-have-discussed-a-possible-pardon-with-trump

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Ya think?

[Arne]

1. I beg your Pardon

Is something you say after you belch or fart,
not when you destroy the USA.

[Escurumbele]

5. LOL...to them destroying, or trying to destroy the country has the same consequences as a fart

Unfortunately, the criminal mind thinks different.

[Sneederbunk]

2. Will he settle for deportation?

[Escurumbele]

3. He will get it because Giuliani has "insurance"

I have to think that he has documentation of many of trump's criminal actions, and THAT is his "insurance". Giuliani must know so much about trump's misdeeds and trump knows it, and he most probably told trump that if anything happens to him, whether going to jail or a "sudden death" that he has saved plenty of information about the con with specific instructions to be provided to the public in case any of those two ever happen.

That is his "insurance". I don't think that trump would have kept him this long if the information that Giuliani has was not as strong as I think it is. Even trump must know that Giuliani is a liability, and not an asset.

[intrepidity]

14. Double-edged sword?

If accepting a pardon results in him not being able to plead the 5th, he thus becomes a primo witness for prosecution of Trump, no?

[Doodley]

4. Quid pro quo? If a pardon is Trump's payment for legal services, is that legal?

[Texin]

6. This is undoubtedly a pre-emptive pardon.

tRump knows Ghouliani broke many and several laws in the Ukraine attempted frame-up of the Bidens, and god only knows how many other laws have been broken in his feckless (so far) attempt to tip the election to Hair Shitler.

[mopinko]

7. he can try.

but it wont stand. pardoning your co-conspiritor is verbotten, iirc.

[0nirevets]

8. No pardon needed (wink, wink), didn't do anything wrong (nudge, nudge).

[Newest Reality]

10. Say no more! Ey, guvna? ;)

[SayItLoud]

9. Do NOT be shocked when:

The widest most all encompassing pardons and immunity rain down on every one in the Oral Office and in the orbit of the #TrumpCrimeSyndicate. There will be so many and so many people we never heard of who will get pardons it will make our heads spin.

Look for crooks on Wall Street who we never heard of getting pardons/immunity. tRUMP will do it then put the touch on them for loans, loan guarantees or just outright cash.

It's gonna happen on a scale we have never seen. Just sayin...buckle up.

[BumRushDaShow]

12. I think some on DU

have suspected that this is what Barr has been compiling and thus hasn't been seen in weeks!

[Arne]

13. If this happens

it may add to the case of overturning them all.

There is hopefully some legality to nullify something so blatantly bogus.

[Baclava]

11. Announce the World Court will prosecute Trump in Nuremberg style trials for crimes against humanity

That should get him running to hide in the caves of Bora Bora!

[duforsure]

15. That's an admission of guilt when accepted,

And he could be used to testify with out the 5th being available, setting him up for even more legal jeopardy. Pardons are setting them up for easier prosecutions of the guilty. They think pardons will save them , it won't , and will put them in a worse situation. Guiliani will also lose his license to practice law, and face state charges. He's toast.

[Evolve Dammit]

16. You mean Rudy Colludy may have done something ILLEGAL?? Heart be still. Vapors to follow.

[IronLionZion]

17. Prosecutors could always wait until after Trump leaves office

and charge them with crimes not covered by the preemptive pardon. I'm still baffled by the concept of preemptive pardons but Reagan set the precedent with Iran-Contra.

[cab67]

21. Was it Reagan, or was it Bush?

I don't actually remember.

[NYC Liberal]

22. Ford, with Nixon.

[IronLionZion]

24. It was Poppy Bush. pardoned Caspar Weinberger before his trial

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran%E2%80%93Contra_affair#Pardons

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

18. Feeling guilty Rudy?

I wonder what illegal shit you did if that's the case.

[Ford_Prefect]

19. I wonder about the crew tasked with making the evidence disappear.

[cab67]

20. the power of the pardon has to be limited.

I know it's not going to happen, because it would require a constitutional amendment, but presidents shouldn't be allowed to pardon people whose wrongdoing was related to the administration. (That he or she shouldn't be able to self-pardon goes without saying, though the fact that it's being said anyway requires a fix.)

Presidents also shouldn't be able to pardon family members.

[keithbvadu2]

23. Rudy, why would you need a pardon?

Rudy, why would you need a pardon?

[jmowreader]

25. If I was Trump, this is not a pardon I would issue

Rudy knows too much, and if he's pardoned he can be forced to testify against Trump. Besides, I thought all these people were supposed to be as pure as the driven snow. Why would such a sweet innocent boy as Rudy need pardoning?

[LiberalLovinLug]

26. Sucks that this band of criminals and traitors get an automatic get out of jail card.

I'm sure it was even talked about when Trump and co. were planning different criminal actions when he first entered office. "Don't worry, I have a pocketful of pardons"