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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(108,035 posts)
Tue Dec 15, 2020, 03:25 PM Dec 2020

Trump Organization seeking to shield documents from New York attorney general

Source: ABC News

Donald Trump's namesake company is invoking attorney-client privilege in an attempt to shield certain documents from the New York Attorney General's office, which is conducting an investigation that will follow the president once he leaves office.

The attorney general's office is looking into whether the Trump Organization improperly inflated the value of its Seven Springs Estate in Westchester County to claim a $21 million tax deduction.

The company is asserting privilege over documents involving Ralph Mastromonaco, an engineer involved in the appraisal.

"There is no accountant-client privilege, and there is no engineer-developer privilege," Eric Haren, of the attorney general's office, said Tuesday during oral arguments.

Read more: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-organization-seeking-to-shield-documents-from-new-york-attorney-general/ar-BB1bXae5?li=BBnbcA1&ocid=DELLDHP

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Trump Organization seeking to shield documents from New York attorney general (Original Post) Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Dec 2020 OP
No such thing as privilege when investigating a crime beachbumbob Dec 2020 #1
They look soooo innocent sakabatou Dec 2020 #2
No privilege over engineering reports, except in rare cases. marylandblue Dec 2020 #3
Who is defending Trump? Rudy's cousin? RAB910 Dec 2020 #4
Rudy's cousin Vinny .. DemoTex Dec 2020 #10
what will happen when his billion debt is called and he has no money for atty? Grasswire2 Dec 2020 #5
He might decide that it's safer to be in prison than an at-large private citizen. japple Dec 2020 #16
he's been grifting like crazy to raise funds. eggplant Dec 2020 #22
Wait just a darned minute! leftieNanner Dec 2020 #26
'Cause they're guilty as SHIT Cha Dec 2020 #6
++++ agree. nt iluvtennis Dec 2020 #8
What? No NDA? UpInArms Dec 2020 #7
So if the attorney is aware his client was going to or was continuing to commit an ongoing criminal cstanleytech Dec 2020 #9
Not a good idea ailsagirl Dec 2020 #11
Here we go - more bullshit stalling, delaying and appealing. It never ends. Marie Marie Dec 2020 #12
AGREE, but bluestarone Dec 2020 #14
He was spanked on this one earlier today. herding cats Dec 2020 #13
And Up The Judicial Food Chain We Go!! leftieNanner Dec 2020 #27
Tough shit, trump. Sucks to be you. Miigwech Dec 2020 #15
Apart from all the other issues, it is a woman AG, and we know how the sexual predator in chief niyad Dec 2020 #17
AND...........a woman of color, no less.... AZ8theist Dec 2020 #19
Doturd! I am sooooo stealing that! niyad Dec 2020 #20
That's been around for quite awhile... AZ8theist Dec 2020 #24
I know dotard, of course, but this is more fun. niyad Dec 2020 #25
Good people object to the "tard" descriptor... AZ8theist Dec 2020 #32
Materials used for property tax values should be subject to inspection by anybody. davsand Dec 2020 #18
I'm curious what they are hiding. Remember reading about this deal in October Laura PourMeADrink Dec 2020 #21
One value for property taxes taxes a higher one for financing seems to be the MO. davsand Dec 2020 #23
Yes. Understand that. But in this deal, it seemed clear. The Laura PourMeADrink Dec 2020 #28
Wonder how much we're talking about. Difference between Laura PourMeADrink Dec 2020 #30
If you've done nothing improper, badboy67 Dec 2020 #29
And... For him, he accuses others of exactly what he is doing or Laura PourMeADrink Dec 2020 #31

Grasswire2

(13,571 posts)
5. what will happen when his billion debt is called and he has no money for atty?
Tue Dec 15, 2020, 03:45 PM
Dec 2020

Nobody will work for him, eventually. He stiffs everyone. And there's no cachet in his name/brand anymore.

leftieNanner

(15,124 posts)
26. Wait just a darned minute!
Tue Dec 15, 2020, 08:57 PM
Dec 2020

Are you telling me that Rudy and Jenna and Sidney aren't the Best Top Notch Cream O' The Crop attorneys in the whole US of A???

And isn't working for Donnie the Magnificent payment enough??

cstanleytech

(26,298 posts)
9. So if the attorney is aware his client was going to or was continuing to commit an ongoing criminal
Tue Dec 15, 2020, 03:57 PM
Dec 2020

is it really covered by attorney client privilege?

herding cats

(19,565 posts)
13. He was spanked on this one earlier today.
Tue Dec 15, 2020, 05:12 PM
Dec 2020

Last edited Tue Dec 15, 2020, 06:20 PM - Edit history (1)

https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/trump-organization-must-cough-up-docs-on-seven-springs-engineer-to-new-york-attorney-general-manhattan-judge-rules/

Trump Organization Must Cough Up Docs on Seven Springs Engineer to New York Attorney General, Manhattan Judge Rules

Advancing an investigation likely to trail the outgoing Commander-in-Chief long into his post-presidency, a Manhattan judge ordered the Trump Organization and its attorney to turn over documents to New York Attorney General Letitia James about an engineer for a 212-acre Westchester estate.

Manhattan Supreme Court Judge Arthur Engoron, who previously found those documents to be privileged, said his prior ruling “missed the forest for the trees,” reciting his decision following more than 1.5 hours of oral arguments.

The ruling could force the Trump Organization to divulge reams of information about engineer Ralph Mastromonaco, who was retained to develop the Seven Springs estate, one of four properties currently subject to a broad investigation into whether Eric Trump and various corporate entities improperly inflated assets to obtain tax benefits.

“By Dec. 18, 2020 the Trump Org. must produce all communications with Ralph Mastromonaco to the New York Attorney General’s office,” Engoron ruled.

niyad

(113,348 posts)
17. Apart from all the other issues, it is a woman AG, and we know how the sexual predator in chief
Tue Dec 15, 2020, 06:04 PM
Dec 2020

quakes in terror of smart, strong, capable women!

AZ8theist

(5,477 posts)
32. Good people object to the "tard" descriptor...
Wed Dec 16, 2020, 03:20 AM
Dec 2020

And I understand that. Someone changed it to "turd", because, well, he IS A PILE OF SHIT.

davsand

(13,421 posts)
18. Materials used for property tax values should be subject to inspection by anybody.
Tue Dec 15, 2020, 06:05 PM
Dec 2020

At least, that's how the FOIA laws work here in Illinois. Once evidence was submitted to tax assessors ir was not seen as private or confidential. I used to have to warn taxpayers about that when they submitted personal documents to get tax exemptions and abatements. I still do that if it comes up at the township level. I have actually handed taxpayers black markers to block out a SS number or a credit account number on loan documents.

Maybe other states have different laws about that, I honestly have no idea. Even an appraisal is not viewed as a private document when it is submitted as evidence in property tax cases.



Laura

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
21. I'm curious what they are hiding. Remember reading about this deal in October
Tue Dec 15, 2020, 06:21 PM
Dec 2020

They said it was worth x and based on nearby prop values IF developed. Trump tried to develop it for golf course and couldn't get approval. Anyway sounded half way legit to me. Hate to say. But prosecutors must suspect something

davsand

(13,421 posts)
23. One value for property taxes taxes a higher one for financing seems to be the MO.
Tue Dec 15, 2020, 08:10 PM
Dec 2020

Bank fraud or property tax fraud--you decide! Sometimes those values for a property are vastly different depending on what the report is being used for. It's not uncommon and it's nothing new. Even at a local level it is not uncommon. There's been a fair amount of awareness of tRump's filings on the Chicago property being on "the low side" when they have appealed taxes. It's outside my jurisdiction, but the assessor's organization has had articles about it in their journal.

He's not alone. I see it several times a year when owners say a property is over valued by the tax man but they are trying to sell it--it's an active listing--for much more.




Laura

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
28. Yes. Understand that. But in this deal, it seemed clear. The
Tue Dec 15, 2020, 09:49 PM
Dec 2020

firm said it was worth x amount based on property market values in the prestigous area of NY. I thought a report of those findings was public, maybe not. Maybe the value is based on if the land was developed vs. raw. So trump couldn't claim developed property value as a charitable deduction.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
31. And... For him, he accuses others of exactly what he is doing or
Tue Dec 15, 2020, 10:22 PM
Dec 2020

has done. Remember vividly him saying he knows better than anyone how you get around laws and handle politicians. He sounded so believable then to many. That he knew how things worked and he alone could clean it up. Another aha moment... He NEVER even tried to do that did he? Perhaps because he knew he had committed crimes before presidency. And if he said " stop x". He knew he couldn't because he was liable???

Perhaps on day one he should have pardoned himself for prior crimes?

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