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turbinetree

(24,720 posts)
Sat Dec 19, 2020, 11:29 AM Dec 2020

New COVID-19 strain spreads more quickly, UK medical chief says

Source: Reuters

HEALTHCARE & PHARMACEUTICALS
DECEMBER 19, 20208:19 AMUPDATED 2 HOURS AGO

By Reuters Staff

1 MIN READ

LONDON (Reuters) - A new strain of COVID-19 identified in the United Kingdom can spread more quickly and urgent work is under way to confirm that it does not cause a higher mortality rate, England’s Chief Medical Officer Chris Whitty said on Saturday.

“As announced on Monday, the UK has identified a new variant of Covid-19 through Public Health England’s genomic surveillance,” Whitty said in a statement.

“As a result of the rapid spread of the new variant, preliminary modelling data and rapidly rising incidence rates in the South East, the New and Emerging Respiratory Virus Threats Advisory Group (NERVTAG) now consider that the new strain can spread more quickly.”

Reporting by Michael Holden, Editing by William Maclean



Read more: https://www.reuters.com/article/health-coronavirus-britain-strain/new-covid-19-strain-spreads-more-quickly-uk-medical-chief-says-idUSKBN28T0KP?il=0

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New COVID-19 strain spreads more quickly, UK medical chief says (Original Post) turbinetree Dec 2020 OP
WTF? Are we going back to square one? That would be tough. dem4decades Dec 2020 #1
Is that what has happened here in the USA too? ananda Dec 2020 #2
My thought, too! SheltieLover Dec 2020 #6
A similar report was issued a few months back bucolic_frolic Dec 2020 #3
Yes there have been a few of these reports Shermann Dec 2020 #4
They think this has increased the R number by 0.4 muriel_volestrangler Dec 2020 #9
oh swell, a super-covid catrose Dec 2020 #5
I wonder 8f vaccines will protect against mutations? SheltieLover Dec 2020 #7
Just guessing, but the Pfiser and Moderna Vaccines are formulated so that the spike protein IsItJustMe Dec 2020 #16
Ty! SheltieLover Dec 2020 #17
PM announces 'tier 4' Covid curbs and curtails Christmas mixing in England muriel_volestrangler Dec 2020 #8
Best to stay safe! SheltieLover Dec 2020 #18
Is there data to support that the current vaccine will be effective against mutations? EarthFirst Dec 2020 #10
A little more detail Chemisse Dec 2020 #11
It already spreads like wildfire orangecrush Dec 2020 #15
Plus, no matter what they say, every significant mutation brings it closer Chemisse Dec 2020 #25
mRNA vaccines are easy to change. LisaL Dec 2020 #29
Kick and recommend for visibility bronxiteforever Dec 2020 #12
There's a change with how it binds to and enters cells muriel_volestrangler Dec 2020 #22
Thank you for the info! I really pray they are right. bronxiteforever Dec 2020 #23
I feel like I'm living in a dystopian end-times movie. This is frightening. NurseJackie Dec 2020 #13
The Andromeda Strain. roamer65 Dec 2020 #20
But that mutated MFM008 Dec 2020 #24
This one will eventually do so as well. roamer65 Dec 2020 #27
That's what it seems like DeminPennswoods Dec 2020 #28
i agree MFM008 Dec 2020 #30
It's mutating Larissa Dec 2020 #31
And we have a lunatic in power orangecrush Dec 2020 #14
Almost a year later and there are, as of yet, still so many unknows about this virus. IsItJustMe Dec 2020 #19
As long as the spike proteins don't appreciably change, we will be ok. roamer65 Dec 2020 #21
You make it sound so simple. Chemisse Dec 2020 #26
Is the new strain milder, or is it too soon to tell? Nt raccoon Dec 2020 #32
Cuomo Rips UK to JFK Air Travel over Covid-19 Mutation Larissa Dec 2020 #33
I frankly don't have a lot of confidence in this news and what the UK are doing Steelrolled Dec 2020 #34

bucolic_frolic

(43,281 posts)
3. A similar report was issued a few months back
Sat Dec 19, 2020, 12:11 PM
Dec 2020

but wasn't confirmed as verifiable, I think I recall.

This would be bad news indeed, but Mother Nature is striking back. Our population has so invaded every habitat as to unearth every last disease and virus. It's sort of a self-regulating mechanism. Maybe we're up against the limits.

Shermann

(7,428 posts)
4. Yes there have been a few of these reports
Sat Dec 19, 2020, 12:29 PM
Dec 2020

It might be anti-science to dismiss it merely because of similar earlier reports which didn't pan out.

I'm skeptical because it's not like we have an exact measurement of the R-naught value. So I don't see how they can accurately measure whether a new strain is more or less virulent.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,361 posts)
9. They think this has increased the R number by 0.4
Sat Dec 19, 2020, 01:10 PM
Dec 2020

and they have identified that the new variations affect how it binds to a cell. The proportion if this variant has increased a lot in the South East of England, but not in the North West; and the overall numbers are going up fast in the SE, but not the NW.

SheltieLover

(57,073 posts)
7. I wonder 8f vaccines will protect against mutations?
Sat Dec 19, 2020, 12:47 PM
Dec 2020

Guessing so, as the vax targets the spikes on the organism. Not sure though.

Anyone know or have thoughts on this? Tyia!

IsItJustMe

(7,012 posts)
16. Just guessing, but the Pfiser and Moderna Vaccines are formulated so that the spike protein
Sat Dec 19, 2020, 03:27 PM
Dec 2020

covid uses (shaped like a crown) can't pernitrate the cell wall. The mutated virus would still have the same spike protien, so the vaccine should still work.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,361 posts)
8. PM announces 'tier 4' Covid curbs and curtails Christmas mixing in England
Sat Dec 19, 2020, 01:06 PM
Dec 2020
Boris Johnson has issued a new “stay at home” order covering London and much of the south and east of England, and dramatically curtailed plans for Christmas mixing nationwide, in response to a new fast-spreading strain of coronavirus.

Just days after reaffirming the festive “bubble” plan and claiming it would be “inhuman” to cancel Christmas, the prime minister announced the creation of a new, stricter “tier 4”.

Only households living outside this area will now be allowed to mix for Christmas in England – and then only for a single day, 25 December, with long-distance travel discouraged.
...
The area affected includes all of London and much of the south and east of England, including Kent, most of Essex, most of Surrey, as well Buckinghamshire, Berkshire, Hertfordshire, parts of Bedfordshire, Gosport, Portsmouth and Peterborough.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/dec/19/pm-announces-tier-4-covid-curbs-and-curtails-christmas-mixing-in-england

That's my basic Christmas plans shut down. I'm in a tier 2 area, and was going to spend Christmas with my brother and family, in Buckinghamshire. Seems necessary, though.

EarthFirst

(2,904 posts)
10. Is there data to support that the current vaccine will be effective against mutations?
Sat Dec 19, 2020, 01:21 PM
Dec 2020

I’m sure the contingency has been raised; however does anyone know?

Chemisse

(30,817 posts)
25. Plus, no matter what they say, every significant mutation brings it closer
Sat Dec 19, 2020, 07:59 PM
Dec 2020

to the one that makes the vaccine ineffective.

LisaL

(44,974 posts)
29. mRNA vaccines are easy to change.
Sat Dec 19, 2020, 10:47 PM
Dec 2020

They can introduce the same mutation as in the virus into the mRNA sequence. Flu mutates very quickly and flu vaccines are different every year.

bronxiteforever

(9,287 posts)
12. Kick and recommend for visibility
Sat Dec 19, 2020, 01:52 PM
Dec 2020

Important info:

There is a simple rule for understanding all "new strain" or "new variants": Ask whether the behaviour of the virus has changed.
This is crucial as viruses mutate all the time, it's just what they do. And so far we've been given the "scare" but not the "answer".

muriel_volestrangler

(101,361 posts)
22. There's a change with how it binds to and enters cells
Sat Dec 19, 2020, 04:58 PM
Dec 2020
The new variant contains 23 different changes, many associated with changes in the protein the virus makes, Vallance says.

It has variance in areas with how the virus binds to cells and enters cells, he says, which caused concern in terms of how the virus looks.

There are three questions, he says:

Does the new variant transmit more readily?
Does it alter the course of the disease?
Does it alter the way the immune system responds to it?

Studies suggest the new variant has a substantial increase in transmissibility, Vallance says.

It is thought to have first occurred in mid-September in London or Kent, he says.

By mid-November, about 28% or so of cases in London and the south-east, and slightly lower in the east of England, were due to the new variant – a rapid growth, he says.

By the 9 December, this was much higher, he says.

In London, more than 60% of new cases were the new variant, he says, meaning it not only moves fast but is becoming the dominant variant in terms of transmission.

There is no evidence at the moment to suggest the new variant causes more severe disease, Vallance says.

Nothing has been seen so far to suggest it alters the immune response and the vaccine response should be adequate for this virus, he adds.

Transmission is the big change with this strain, he says, meaning we need to stick to reducing our contact and reducing its ability to spread.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2020/dec/19/coronavirus-live-news-uk-deaths-climb-as-australia-battles-to-contain-covid-19-cluster?page=with:block-5fde2ae58f08da4121f48cd4#block-5fde2ae58f08da4121f48cd4

MFM008

(19,818 posts)
24. But that mutated
Sat Dec 19, 2020, 06:34 PM
Dec 2020

To a less dangerous form.
Now couldnt a 'more easily' spread type still be managed
By masking and social distancing.
I know people wont do it ...thats probably why...

roamer65

(36,747 posts)
27. This one will eventually do so as well.
Sat Dec 19, 2020, 10:15 PM
Dec 2020

More infectious, but more like a cold will be its eventual route.

How long it will take is the $64k question.

DeminPennswoods

(15,290 posts)
28. That's what it seems like
Sat Dec 19, 2020, 10:30 PM
Dec 2020

I usually watch the mortality rate as total deaths/total infections. Mortality has been steadily dropping even 3+ weeks after the predicted post-Thanksgiving "surge". It's now under 2% at about 1.8%. So it appears to be more contagious, but less deadly overall. CNN reported the current rate of new cases as 1 in 216, but that is .46%.

Larissa

(790 posts)
31. It's mutating
Sun Dec 20, 2020, 06:17 PM
Dec 2020

Our science nightmare already doesn't have a happy ending: 317,387 Americans dead. 192,901 new U.S. cases. I think I'll re-watch "Andromeda Strain," a film that terrified me when it was released. Now I know terror squared.



IsItJustMe

(7,012 posts)
19. Almost a year later and there are, as of yet, still so many unknows about this virus.
Sat Dec 19, 2020, 03:38 PM
Dec 2020

I do remember Fauci saying that this virus has a very slow mutation rate as compared to other viruses. That is a good thing.

roamer65

(36,747 posts)
21. As long as the spike proteins don't appreciably change, we will be ok.
Sat Dec 19, 2020, 04:46 PM
Dec 2020

If they do, they will have to obtain the new encoding via mRNA and load it in to the vaccine.

Chemisse

(30,817 posts)
26. You make it sound so simple.
Sat Dec 19, 2020, 08:04 PM
Dec 2020

I hope that is the case! It could be a quick readjustment and a booster shot.

Larissa

(790 posts)
33. Cuomo Rips UK to JFK Air Travel over Covid-19 Mutation
Sun Dec 20, 2020, 10:04 PM
Dec 2020
https://nypost.com/2020/12/20/cuomo-rips-uk-to-jfk-air-travel-over-covid-19-mutation/

Gov. Andrew Cuomo on Sunday called it “reprehensible” and “grossly negligent” to allow UK travelers to fly into JFK Airport without being tested despite a contagious new mutation of the coronavirus shutting down London.

“Right now, this variant in the UK is getting on a plane and flying to JFK,” Cuomo said in a call to reporters Sunday of the mutation UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson has warned could be 70 percent more transmittable.

“Right now. Today,” the governor stressed, calling for the feds to impose coronavirus testing of UK travelers at a “minimum,” if not an outright ban.

“Literally six flights a day. And all it takes is one person,” he said of the possible seed for the new strain’s spread.

So far, France, Germany, Italy, the Netherlands, Belgium, Austria, Ireland and Bulgaria have all announced bans or strict restrictions on UK travelers since Johnson announced London’s lockdown on Saturday.

At least 120 countries also make sure travelers from the UK get a negative test for the coronavirus before letting them in, Cuomo said — saying that Johnson’s sudden lockdown so close to Christmas was a clear sign of how “apparently dangerous” the new mutation has proven.

“We have about six flights a day coming in from the UK. And we have done absolutely nothing,” said Cuomo, who also announced the state has another 9,957 COVID-19 cases and a positive rate of 5.05 percent.

(Full article at link above.)
 

Steelrolled

(2,022 posts)
34. I frankly don't have a lot of confidence in this news and what the UK are doing
Mon Dec 21, 2020, 02:06 AM
Dec 2020

And when governments get involved at this stage, I think the chances of over-reaction are comparable to the under-reactions we have seen over the past year. It is probably a wise move for Boris Johnson to go full red alert to play it safe, medically, but most especially, politically.

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