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BumRushDaShow

(165,791 posts)
Tue Dec 22, 2020, 08:06 PM Dec 2020

Trump calls on Congress to approve $2,000 stimulus checks, hinting that he might not sign

Last edited Wed Dec 23, 2020, 04:04 PM - Edit history (1)

Source: Washington Post

President Trump Tuesday night asked Congress to amend the nearly $900 billion stimulus and spending bill passed by the Senate just one day before, describing the groundbreaking legislation as "a disgrace" and suggesting he would not immediately sign off on aid for millions of Americans.

In a video posted to Twitter, Trump called on Congress to increase the "ridiculously low" $600 stimulus checks to $2,000, and outlined a list of provisions in the final legislation that he described as "wasteful spending and much more." He did not mention that the $600 stimulus check idea came from his own Treasury Secretary, Steven Mnuchin.

"I am also asking Congress to immediately get rid of the wasteful and unnecessary items from this legislation, and to send me a suitable bill, or else the next administration will have to deliver a covid relief package, and maybe that administration will be me," Trump said.

Some aides were stunned that Trump weighed in the way he did after his economic team had publicly praised the bill. But administration officials had negotiated the bill with lawmakers in the final days without explicitly securing Trump's approval, aides said. He had largely been distracted with overturning the results of the presidential election.

Trump had long wanted to do more than $600 in checks and kept asking aides why they couldn't agree to a bigger number, an official said. He released the video on Tuesday after a number of his aides, including Mark Meadows, were already out of town. "So dumb," one administration official said. "So, so dumb."

Read more: https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/12/22/trump-stimulus-video-bill/



Full headline: Trump calls on Congress to approve $2,000 stimulus checks, hinting that he might not sign economic relief bill into law without changes

There is easily enough votes in both chambers to override a veto however we are now 10 days out from the end of this Congressional session which means not signing it could become a "pocket veto", might not be overridable.

The Senate has generally stopped adjourning to avoid recess appointments but I'm not sure what their schedule is at the moment.

ETA - I just saw this OP - https://www.democraticunderground.com/10142653030 where Congress is scheduled to reconvene after Christmas to be ready to override a veto to the NDAA.

ETA 1 - to ForgoTheConsequence




TEXT

Nancy Pelosi
@SpeakerPelosi
Republicans repeatedly refused to say what amount the President wanted for direct checks. At last, the President has agreed to $2,000 -- Democrats are ready to bring this to the Floor this week by unanimous consent. Let's do it!
Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
Embedded video
8:33 PM · Dec 22, 2020


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Trump calls on Congress to approve $2,000 stimulus checks, hinting that he might not sign (Original Post) BumRushDaShow Dec 2020 OP
Already said he'd blow it up durablend Dec 2020 #1
Just when we thought this couldn't get any weirder. Mosby Dec 2020 #2
This is third level moron. Why on earth didn't you do the payout before the election? underpants Dec 2020 #3
You think Mitch cares? durablend Dec 2020 #4
Mitch didn't want to do this underpants Dec 2020 #5
Exactly. Mitch won't care. nt Kahuna Dec 2020 #9
Post removed Post removed Dec 2020 #6
Agree The Mouth Dec 2020 #10
wtf is that all about?! ancianita Dec 2020 #13
LOL, it was Mnuchin and trump's people who "demanded" the 600 dollar stimulus still_one Dec 2020 #7
Don't worry he will be overridden. El Supremo Dec 2020 #8
Not if he doesn't sign it and pockets it sweetloukillbot Dec 2020 #12
I doubt that he knows that. Mr.Bill Dec 2020 #14
I bet there are a lot of advisers who do though sweetloukillbot Dec 2020 #15
Regardless of whether he knows it or not BumRushDaShow Dec 2020 #22
Sure he does. Demsrule86 Dec 2020 #64
If he doesn't, someone at fox will tell him..... getagrip_already Dec 2020 #93
As sweetloukillbot posted and I wrote in the OP comments BumRushDaShow Dec 2020 #20
I stand corrected. n/m El Supremo Dec 2020 #44
And Tada.... Putin won. End of the USofA. nt Lock him up. Dec 2020 #57
I think we need some legislative scholars to weigh in, and I'm sure CNN or MSNBC will do so.... George II Dec 2020 #70
I used to work for the federal government as you know BumRushDaShow Dec 2020 #76
Thanks. It would be great if they could before next Friday. George II Dec 2020 #78
Exactly! BumRushDaShow Dec 2020 #82
There is one way..... getagrip_already Dec 2020 #87
That requires 2/3rds of the Senate to convict BumRushDaShow Dec 2020 #97
It more than likely won't be overriden...if Trump doesn't sign it ...it takes ten days , Congress Demsrule86 Dec 2020 #33
trying to make himself like a savior and a victim at the same time... msongs Dec 2020 #11
"If you'd have given me four more years...." durablend Dec 2020 #16
TRUE! anymore i believe it could be a plan they had to bluestarone Dec 2020 #17
Mitch is part of this plan to burn America down by killing NCjack Dec 2020 #18
They'll lose the Georgia senate elections Mr.Bill Dec 2020 #19
Good point that I didn't see. NCjack Dec 2020 #24
I am not sure they do. Demsrule86 Dec 2020 #35
I think it does make it more likely Turin_C3PO Dec 2020 #86
Mitch is already spinning that the gop wanted to give more sooner, but the dirty dem socialist's getagrip_already Dec 2020 #88
It's gonna be a close race, for sure. Turin_C3PO Dec 2020 #91
That is just completely heartless. I used to live in GA, Republicans are very loyal and consider Demsrule86 Dec 2020 #89
Oh, I agree. Turin_C3PO Dec 2020 #90
They really are...and I don't think we win Georgia either...McConnell passed a bill...and Trump Demsrule86 Dec 2020 #92
It's going to be really close. Turin_C3PO Dec 2020 #94
This is the same "guy" that thinks blue is green and green is blue........... turbinetree Dec 2020 #21
Did you watch his tweet??? Bluethroughu Dec 2020 #23
like a cheap piano. nt yaesu Dec 2020 #26
Civics 101 - the 116th Congress ends January 3rd, 2021 when the 117th is sworn in BumRushDaShow Dec 2020 #31
I understand, I'm saying get back there... Bluethroughu Dec 2020 #39
Note the edited OP with Nancy Pelosi's response that I will include below BumRushDaShow Dec 2020 #43
Thank you... Bluethroughu Dec 2020 #47
There is no time. Demsrule86 Dec 2020 #65
the reality show twists and turns. nt yaesu Dec 2020 #25
This is one of the few times I agree Matthew28 Dec 2020 #27
There isn't going to be anymore money...don't fall for their tricks. Demsrule86 Dec 2020 #37
Nobody will get anything. Millions will get evicted in the cold with nowhere to go, nothing to eat.. Lock him up. Dec 2020 #58
Pelosi's response... ForgoTheConsequence Dec 2020 #28
Will she do it? n/t PoliticAverse Dec 2020 #30
lol she's called his bluff and it will be thrown to the GOP Senate to defeat it bucolic_frolic Dec 2020 #32
There will be no battle...the bill will sit and then go away. Demsrule86 Dec 2020 #38
Oddly enough BumRushDaShow Dec 2020 #49
I know. Perhaps Dems could hold that vote hostage. Demsrule86 Dec 2020 #63
There is another tactic that might happen BumRushDaShow Dec 2020 #66
I don't think there is enough time. The GOP Demsrule86 Dec 2020 #68
If he is willing to sign something before January 3rd, then there is time all of next week. BumRushDaShow Dec 2020 #72
It is horrible. But he doesn't want just increased stimulus. He wants the entire bill Demsrule86 Dec 2020 #74
The one bizarre thing about him however BumRushDaShow Dec 2020 #77
Exactly................... turbinetree Dec 2020 #54
Heh - I think I will include that in the OP. BumRushDaShow Dec 2020 #36
Awesome do it! Bluethroughu Dec 2020 #41
The grandstanding here is "maybe that administration will be me" bucolic_frolic Dec 2020 #29
Uh-oh. James48 Dec 2020 #34
That's What I Thought Too COL Mustard Dec 2020 #42
OPM has an idiot running it. BumRushDaShow Dec 2020 #46
(It would be in a shutdown right now.) EDIT - 7 day extension was signed last night. BumRushDaShow Dec 2020 #45
Well democrats could refuse to extend until Demsrule86 Dec 2020 #69
Well that will furlough hundreds of thousands or more of federal employees BumRushDaShow Dec 2020 #73
I know. There are no good answers. But one wonders if Demsrule86 Dec 2020 #75
The problem is that the government funding bill is included with the covid relief bill BumRushDaShow Dec 2020 #79
Please Don't Sign It COL Mustard Dec 2020 #40
No shutdown until 12/28 PhilipDC Dec 2020 #48
Damn. COL Mustard Dec 2020 #50
The prisons orangecrush Dec 2020 #61
Yes - I just confirmed it was a 1-week extension (despite earlier reports of 1 day) BumRushDaShow Dec 2020 #51
1 day and then 7 day. PhilipDC Dec 2020 #52
Yeah - this was all the "late night" finagling. BumRushDaShow Dec 2020 #53
Gee,? a clusterfuck.. mountain grammy Dec 2020 #55
How many casinos that privileged moron bankrupted again? Lock him up. Dec 2020 #56
That's fine and dandy Bayard Dec 2020 #59
If he doesn't sign, no one gets anything rocktivity Dec 2020 #60
What makes you think orangecrush Dec 2020 #62
This isn't even about $600 vs $2000 Sucha NastyWoman Dec 2020 #67
Some of that spending is also in the FY21 appropriations bill too BumRushDaShow Dec 2020 #71
"President for life", of course durablend Dec 2020 #81
There was a lot of foreign aid crap in there Polybius Dec 2020 #95
"Make that $3,000, no ... $3,500 ... yeah ... that's the ticket!" Tommy Flanagan ... marble falls Dec 2020 #80
It may be nothing if the cards aren't played right. BumRushDaShow Dec 2020 #83
It'll end up $1,200 now or after Jan 20. marble falls Dec 2020 #84
Pocket veto would kill it. Roll Call: scipan Dec 2020 #98
Yeah I mentioned pocket veto several times in this thread and in the (now messed up link in) the OP BumRushDaShow Dec 2020 #99
Never trust a twodogsbarking Dec 2020 #85
He is now working on his 2024 campaign. Steelrolled Dec 2020 #96
yowser... myohmy2 Dec 2020 #100

underpants

(194,924 posts)
3. This is third level moron. Why on earth didn't you do the payout before the election?
Tue Dec 22, 2020, 08:11 PM
Dec 2020

It’s not your money. Hell, your debt record is already a disaster. Mitch convinced you not to because he wanted to scorch the earth. Like a moron you fell for it. Now just when everyone is breathing a sigh of relief you pull this crap? Good grief.

durablend

(8,897 posts)
4. You think Mitch cares?
Tue Dec 22, 2020, 08:14 PM
Dec 2020

"Hey fine with me. Didn't want to give those useless eaters anything anyway!"

This assuming they're not playing good cop-bad cop.

underpants

(194,924 posts)
5. Mitch didn't want to do this
Tue Dec 22, 2020, 08:22 PM
Dec 2020

He wants to leave more of a disaster for Joe and run off of it in the midterms.
Trump fell for his trick.
Mitch only relented when he saw what the polls looked like in Georgia.

Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

 

still_one

(98,883 posts)
7. LOL, it was Mnuchin and trump's people who "demanded" the 600 dollar stimulus
Tue Dec 22, 2020, 08:23 PM
Dec 2020

checks, and refused to take anything higher.

This is insanity


sweetloukillbot

(12,744 posts)
15. I bet there are a lot of advisers who do though
Tue Dec 22, 2020, 08:44 PM
Dec 2020

I don’t think he thought of having state legislatures overturn the Electoral College himself.

BumRushDaShow

(165,791 posts)
22. Regardless of whether he knows it or not
Tue Dec 22, 2020, 08:57 PM
Dec 2020

if it is not signed by the end of this 116th Congress' session (where it ends just before the 117th Congress is sworn in on January 3, 2021), then the legislation is DEAD. And Congress can't override something that hasn't been explicitly vetoed.

getagrip_already

(17,802 posts)
93. If he doesn't, someone at fox will tell him.....
Wed Dec 23, 2020, 11:00 AM
Dec 2020

He still watches it non-stop. Hell, he still watches morning joe.

As long as he is the topic of conversation, he is happy. It doesn't matter he is being slaughtered verbally. Not being discussed would kill his warped ego.

So yeah, this will be covered on fox/oan/msnbc and he will know. Or rudy or sydney will tell him.

BumRushDaShow

(165,791 posts)
20. As sweetloukillbot posted and I wrote in the OP comments
Tue Dec 22, 2020, 08:51 PM
Dec 2020

We are now 10 days out from the end of the calendar year and 12 days out from the technical end of this "116th Congress" session (the sessions being 2 years long). On January 3rd, 2021, the 117th Congress will be sworn in and any legislation not taken care of before then, becomes moot.

If he sits on it and doesn't sign it at this point in the year, then it dies. Any other time, after 10 days of not signing legislation will mean it will automatically become law (without his signature). But because they are ending a 2-year session, and if he doesn't actively veto it, then then it becomes a pocket veto, and that kills it outright.

I thought of one thing that might salvage it if they were up to it, and that would be to have some 2nd separate bill that perhaps adds additional money to the current package - perhaps something that would be doled out later in 1st or 2nd quarter. It could be done by unanimous consent by both chambers but there are loons who would have a fit and would demand a debate and probable roll call vote, plus there are the complaints about the "other stuff" that is in the current legislation and that would have to be ignored by 45 if an additional $1400 could be made into a "Squirrel!!" moment to get him to sign both.

The problem too is that without a signature, we would now be in a government shutdown because that legislation included appropriations for FY21 and the 1-day C.R. extension probably expired at midnight, with the "wink wink" that yes the appropriations will be signed today.

George II

(67,782 posts)
70. I think we need some legislative scholars to weigh in, and I'm sure CNN or MSNBC will do so....
Wed Dec 23, 2020, 07:57 AM
Dec 2020

It's tricky, especially with the timing of the vote and end of session.

If after 10 days it becomes law if not signed, wouldn't it become law on December 31? It was passed at 10:48 PM on December 21. Ten days later would be late December 31.

That's actually four days before the new Congress is seated. January 3 next year is Sunday, so the first day of the session will be January 4.

BumRushDaShow

(165,791 posts)
76. I used to work for the federal government as you know
Wed Dec 23, 2020, 08:44 AM
Dec 2020

The issue is the adjournment time, although since they are apparently going to be in session next week to attempt to override a potential veto of the NDAA, then something could be done with this bill (and any amendments) too however that is not guaranteed...

To recap -

Article I

(snip)

Section 7.

All bills for raising revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives; but the Senate may propose or concur with amendments as on other Bills.

Every bill which shall have passed the House of Representatives and the Senate, shall, before it become a law, be presented to the President of the United States; if he approve he shall sign it, but if not he shall return it, with his objections to that House in which it shall have originated, who shall enter the objections at large on their journal, and proceed to reconsider it. If after such reconsideration two thirds of that House shall agree to pass the bill, it shall be sent, together with the objections, to the other House, by which it shall likewise be reconsidered, and if approved by two thirds of that House, it shall become a law. But in all such cases the votes of both Houses shall be determined by yeas and nays, and the names of the persons voting for and against the bill shall be entered on the journal of each House respectively. If any bill shall not be returned by the President within ten days (Sundays excepted) after it shall have been presented to him, the same shall be a law, in like manner as if he had signed it, unless the Congress by their adjournment prevent its return, in which case it shall not be a law.

Every order, resolution, or vote to which the concurrence of the Senate and House of Representatives may be necessary (except on a question of adjournment) shall be presented to the President of the United States; and before the same shall take effect, shall be approved by him, or being disapproved by him, shall be repassed by two thirds of the Senate and House of Representatives, according to the rules and limitations prescribed in the case of a bill.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/articlei


The veto occurs when a President objects to a bill or resolution. The President usually sends the bill back to Congress with a message explaining his objections; this is known as a direct veto. If the President withholds his signature during the 10-day review period allowed by the Constitution and Congress adjourns during that period, it is considered a “pocket veto” and the bill doesn’t become a law. The last pocket veto used by President Bill Clinton in December 2000.

https://constitutioncenter.org/blog/the-presidential-veto-power-explained


The last pocket veto was Bill Clinton's (note the date of the veto and the 107th Congress was sworn in on January 3rd, 2001... Congress didn't even wait the 10 days and adjourned on December 15) -

Clinton Vetoes Bankruptcy Bill
DEB RIECHMANN December 19, 2000

WASHINGTON (AP) _ President Clinton vetoed legislation Tuesday that proposed the most sweeping changes in the bankruptcy law in 20 years because he said it was unfair to ordinary debtors and working families who fall on hard times. Supporters of the bill, including credit card companies, have pushed for three years to pass a bill to overhaul the nation’s bankruptcy system. Clinton also favors revamping the bankruptcy laws but thinks the current bill is not evenhanded.

``I would have signed a balanced bankruptcy reform bill that addressed known abuses without tilting the playing field against those debtors who genuinely turn to bankruptcy for a fresh start,″ Clinton said in a statement released Tuesday evening. The president said the bill would allow debtors who own expensive homes to shield their mansions from creditors while debtors with moderate incomes, especially renters, must live frugally and comply with rigid payment plans for five to seven years.

``This loophole for the wealthy is fundamentally unfair and must be closed,″ Clinton said. Clinton also criticized the bill’s failure to address the ``abusive use″ of the bankruptcy laws by anti-abortion activists ``who espouse and practice violence at health care clinics″ and then use bankruptcy as a shield against liability.

An early version of the bill would have barred such use of the bankruptcy system, but that provision was dropped in the final legislation that passed Congress. By leaving the Bankruptcy Reform Act of 2000 unsigned, the president issued a ``pocket veto,″ the fourth indirect veto of his administration. By waiting until the lame-duck congressional session adjourned before vetoing it, he deprived lawmakers of the chance to override the veto.

https://apnews.com/article/b52e0f874e5e4682442bf2e2dea2009b

BumRushDaShow

(165,791 posts)
82. Exactly!
Wed Dec 23, 2020, 09:00 AM
Dec 2020

My concern is with McConnell and whether he'll attempt to adjourn before then after they take care of whatever happens with the NDAA, with an attempted override of a supposed incoming veto. I think in normal times, both chambers attempt to adjourn at the same time (after finishing up their business). But this year (and the past 4 years) have been everything but "normal".

BumRushDaShow

(165,791 posts)
97. That requires 2/3rds of the Senate to convict
Wed Dec 23, 2020, 12:35 PM
Dec 2020

in order to get to a TuPence signing, if it were even feasible to hold House hearings, the House debate, a House vote, and then the Senate trial, and finally a Senate vote - all in 11 (calendar) days.

Demsrule86

(71,492 posts)
33. It more than likely won't be overriden...if Trump doesn't sign it ...it takes ten days , Congress
Tue Dec 22, 2020, 09:18 PM
Dec 2020

will be over by then...I don't know if this included preventing a government shutdown or not. This is a disaster...and McConnell never wanted a bill anyway...those poor folks who were counting on this money...it is just unconscionable.

msongs

(73,084 posts)
11. trying to make himself like a savior and a victim at the same time...
Tue Dec 22, 2020, 08:33 PM
Dec 2020

savior for demanding more (knowing he won't get it) and victim cuz the evil congress wouldnt give it to him

durablend

(8,897 posts)
16. "If you'd have given me four more years...."
Tue Dec 22, 2020, 08:44 PM
Dec 2020

"Those checks would've been THE BIGGEST!!!!!!!"

bluestarone

(21,183 posts)
17. TRUE! anymore i believe it could be a plan they had to
Tue Dec 22, 2020, 08:45 PM
Dec 2020

Give RUMP credit for his Fucking base!

Turin_C3PO

(16,385 posts)
86. I think it does make it more likely
Wed Dec 23, 2020, 09:54 AM
Dec 2020

that we’ll win Georgia if this legislation isn’t passed. It’ll be close either way, though. Regardless if it helps us or not, the people need this bill to pass ASAP. Trump is such an asshole.

getagrip_already

(17,802 posts)
88. Mitch is already spinning that the gop wanted to give more sooner, but the dirty dem socialist's
Wed Dec 23, 2020, 10:18 AM
Dec 2020

blocked it. Now he will claim it was dirty dem socialist provisions forced into the bill that caused its death. Hey, we tried but the bill just had too much poison for trump to sign......

He is a master of talking out of both sides of his mouth. He will spin this into a gop win somehow.

Don't take anything for granted. The gop will turn out for the rich, just like they always do.

Demsrule86

(71,492 posts)
89. That is just completely heartless. I used to live in GA, Republicans are very loyal and consider
Wed Dec 23, 2020, 10:41 AM
Dec 2020

that many have already voted. What if we don't win and we have nothing? Mitch will give nothing either. You know real people are affected by this. People will thrown out of their home and starve during the week between Christmas and New Years. Even if we win Georgia...how do people survive between now and when Biden arrives. The answer is sadly is many won't.

Turin_C3PO

(16,385 posts)
90. Oh, I agree.
Wed Dec 23, 2020, 10:50 AM
Dec 2020

We need help immediately. $600 stimulus plus $300 extra on unemployment would make all the difference for millions. Trump and the GOP are cruel, heartless bastards.

Demsrule86

(71,492 posts)
92. They really are...and I don't think we win Georgia either...McConnell passed a bill...and Trump
Wed Dec 23, 2020, 10:58 AM
Dec 2020

isn't on the ballot. It could go either way.

Bluethroughu

(7,215 posts)
23. Did you watch his tweet???
Tue Dec 22, 2020, 08:58 PM
Dec 2020

This was planned and the Democrats were boxed in. If they had said no it's to low people would have lost, then when the Democrats agreed the people lost, but either way...the Republicans are playing our Democratic representatives in Congress.

I say take your power back and tell him and the republicans fine! Scrap the bill and pass a $4000. Stimulus check to every man, woman and child in America.

Call them out now!

They are trying to gain favor for their insurrection.

BumRushDaShow

(165,791 posts)
31. Civics 101 - the 116th Congress ends January 3rd, 2021 when the 117th is sworn in
Tue Dec 22, 2020, 09:17 PM
Dec 2020

If this bill is not signed by then, it and any other legislation not signed or vetoed or acted upon in any way, is dead.

AND the Federal Government will now go into shutdown TODAY because the last C.R. was for only 1 day to be long enough to get this combined COVID relief and FY21 government appropriations passed by both chambers by midnight yesterday, with the assumption that it would have been signed today.

"Calling out" does not pay the federal workers who will now be furloughed.

Bluethroughu

(7,215 posts)
39. I understand, I'm saying get back there...
Tue Dec 22, 2020, 09:24 PM
Dec 2020

And respond with...ok, pass $2000-$4000 for the people and the governing budget then. Don't let the baboon, no offense to the baboons, control the narrative with his gaggle of goons.

They did it on purpose, get out in front of the American people and flip the script.

BumRushDaShow

(165,791 posts)
43. Note the edited OP with Nancy Pelosi's response that I will include below
Tue Dec 22, 2020, 09:31 PM
Dec 2020



TEXT

Nancy Pelosi
@SpeakerPelosi
Republicans repeatedly refused to say what amount the President wanted for direct checks. At last, the President has agreed to $2,000 — Democrats are ready to bring this to the Floor this week by unanimous consent. Let’s do it!
Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
Embedded video
8:33 PM · Dec 22, 2020


Now the ball is back in Turtle's court. He can amend additional money on and pass that as a unanimous consent but there will probably be the objectors like the SPAWN of PAUL who would kill a Senate unanimous consent (along with others).

This is all the "sausage-making".

Bluethroughu

(7,215 posts)
47. Thank you...
Tue Dec 22, 2020, 09:47 PM
Dec 2020

It's definately Upton Sinclairesk. A lot of lives on the line here, with a group of psychopaths willing to watch people suffer.

This is definately not, "promoting the general welfare".

Georgia, "Vote Blue 4 Two"!

Matthew28

(1,856 posts)
27. This is one of the few times I agree
Tue Dec 22, 2020, 09:05 PM
Dec 2020

The more that goes to the little guy the better! HEll, lets make it 10,000 bucks for us little people.

Demsrule86

(71,492 posts)
37. There isn't going to be anymore money...don't fall for their tricks.
Tue Dec 22, 2020, 09:21 PM
Dec 2020

This derails the bill...just like before the election.

Lock him up.

(9,395 posts)
58. Nobody will get anything. Millions will get evicted in the cold with nowhere to go, nothing to eat..
Tue Dec 22, 2020, 11:42 PM
Dec 2020
25th NOW or Putin ... won ... End of USofA. An ocean of dead frozen bodies everywhere.

bucolic_frolic

(54,052 posts)
32. lol she's called his bluff and it will be thrown to the GOP Senate to defeat it
Tue Dec 22, 2020, 09:18 PM
Dec 2020

Where many are already on record against the whole thing for deficit reasons. And defeating it won't be good for the Georgia Senate runoffs for the GOP. Warnock and Ossoff can now campaign on promises to pass the $2000 stim checks that the Republicans wouldn't.

BumRushDaShow

(165,791 posts)
49. Oddly enough
Tue Dec 22, 2020, 10:01 PM
Dec 2020

Both chambers are scheduled to actually come back next week for a possible override of a different bill that a veto was threatened for - their coveted "National Defense Authorization Act". So whether they decide on this during that time or allow a vote by proxy asap (assuming that effort is agreeable enough to be signed) - since the federal government should now be shutdown absent the appropriations included in this legislation that hasn't been signed.

Demsrule86

(71,492 posts)
63. I know. Perhaps Dems could hold that vote hostage.
Wed Dec 23, 2020, 07:33 AM
Dec 2020

Trump won’t veto the Covid bill so they can’t override the veto. And McConnell never wanted a bill so won’t add any extra money.

BumRushDaShow

(165,791 posts)
66. There is another tactic that might happen
Wed Dec 23, 2020, 07:42 AM
Dec 2020

and that is that damn "liability" thing that is still hanging out there (and is NOT in this current covid relief bill) and it wouldn't surprise me that Turtle might attempt to link acceptance of the liability provision with the additional $1400 in exchange for trying to force/guarantee a unanimous consent out of the Senate. And that would probably be a non-starter for Dems.

Another option might be for them to amend in the $1400 to come "later in calendar year 2021" (whenever they get around to it) if they can convince him that doing a "spread-out disbursal" would be more "prudent".

BumRushDaShow

(165,791 posts)
72. If he is willing to sign something before January 3rd, then there is time all of next week.
Wed Dec 23, 2020, 08:09 AM
Dec 2020

The big issue at the moment is the December 26th cutoff for the current extended UI and the big state UE systems (many old tech) being unable to quickly handle that sudden stop and then restart (assuming something gets passed retroactively), meaning millions will be cut off with a gap before getting back on and paid again (even with retroactive payments calculated in).

Demsrule86

(71,492 posts)
74. It is horrible. But he doesn't want just increased stimulus. He wants the entire bill
Wed Dec 23, 2020, 08:13 AM
Dec 2020

rewritten and even then he may not sign it. People will die of starvation and some will die because they freeze to death after being tossed out of their homes.

BumRushDaShow

(165,791 posts)
77. The one bizarre thing about him however
Wed Dec 23, 2020, 08:47 AM
Dec 2020

he will listen to and follow whoever is "the last one who talks to him", so people will be jockeying to get that ear (and it seems Pelosi is already starting to stroke that ego).

bucolic_frolic

(54,052 posts)
29. The grandstanding here is "maybe that administration will be me"
Tue Dec 22, 2020, 09:14 PM
Dec 2020

Trump is trying to hollow out the Biden Administration financially, and politically with the Paris and Iran kerfuffle.

Republicans are simply evil.

James48

(5,094 posts)
34. Uh-oh.
Tue Dec 22, 2020, 09:18 PM
Dec 2020

Um, the last continuing resolution expired yesterday. There is NO AUTHORITY for the government to continue operating. The entire government must now shut down.

Tomorrow is going to be crazy.

COL Mustard

(7,994 posts)
42. That's What I Thought Too
Tue Dec 22, 2020, 09:26 PM
Dec 2020

But OPM says we're open, and when there's a lapse in funding they never say that.

BumRushDaShow

(165,791 posts)
46. OPM has an idiot running it.
Tue Dec 22, 2020, 09:44 PM
Dec 2020

When Congress does those C.R.s, there is a "wink wink" (Reddick's Rules "stop the clock" ) where it is assumed that the bill would have been signed today (basically as soon as possible). But since that doesn't appear to be happening, someone is gonna have to either pass a new C.R. (but would he sign it?) or call-trees are gonna have to happen to tell anyone working from home and not previously deemed "essential", to logoff/don't touch the computer or you will be an unauthorized procurement, and those similarly working in the office, to not report.

OPM needs to update their status site (last update was 12/18 and I know before I retired, they were always slow getting the page updated ) - https://www.opm.gov/policy-data-oversight/snow-dismissal-procedures/current-status/

BumRushDaShow

(165,791 posts)
45. (It would be in a shutdown right now.) EDIT - 7 day extension was signed last night.
Tue Dec 22, 2020, 09:39 PM
Dec 2020

Last edited Tue Dec 22, 2020, 10:12 PM - Edit history (1)

BumRushDaShow

(165,791 posts)
73. Well that will furlough hundreds of thousands or more of federal employees
Wed Dec 23, 2020, 08:13 AM
Dec 2020

and this administration has been in the business declaring more and more positions as being "essential" (the stupid media always keeps focusing on nonsense like that National Parks ), thus you'll have people forced to work without pay.

Demsrule86

(71,492 posts)
75. I know. There are no good answers. But one wonders if
Wed Dec 23, 2020, 08:15 AM
Dec 2020

Trump will sign a bill to keep the government open.

BumRushDaShow

(165,791 posts)
79. The problem is that the government funding bill is included with the covid relief bill
Wed Dec 23, 2020, 08:54 AM
Dec 2020

as one big omnibus funding/spending bill called the "Consolidated Appropriations Act of 2021 [Including Coronavirus Stimulus & Relief]", with a total of $2.3 trillion dollars, and that was supposedly the largest funding package of its kind in history (or however the media characterized it).

COL Mustard

(7,994 posts)
40. Please Don't Sign It
Tue Dec 22, 2020, 09:25 PM
Dec 2020

I'm a Fed, and I'd love to have next week off. Lots of stuff to do around the house, you know.







Seriously, is he insane, screwing over the people who really need the money? Inquiring minds want to know, and so do I!

PhilipDC

(76 posts)
48. No shutdown until 12/28
Tue Dec 22, 2020, 09:52 PM
Dec 2020

In the rule for the omnibus/coronavirus bill, there was a self-executing provision for a 7 day continuing appropriations. It went straight to the Senate and was passed last night. The big bill will not even be ready to sign for a few days—it is in the process of being enrolled.

COL Mustard

(7,994 posts)
50. Damn.
Tue Dec 22, 2020, 10:08 PM
Dec 2020

I was going to turn myself in at my local police department as a violator of the Ant-Deficiency Act. But I doubt they’d know how to charge me.

I heard our local prison food is decent , especially on Christmas.

orangecrush

(28,398 posts)
61. The prisons
Wed Dec 23, 2020, 01:02 AM
Dec 2020


Are a petri dish for corona virus.

Translate a possible death sentence for any crime, no matter how minor.

BumRushDaShow

(165,791 posts)
51. Yes - I just confirmed it was a 1-week extension (despite earlier reports of 1 day)
Tue Dec 22, 2020, 10:11 PM
Dec 2020
Trump signs weeklong funding extension to buy time to prep omnibus


By David Lerman and Niels Lesniewski
Posted December 21, 2020 at 3:52pm, Updated December 22, 2020 at 12:56am

President Donald Trump signed into a seven-day stopgap funding measure Monday night that was designed to avoid the risk of a government shutdown over Christmas. The Senate, on a voice vote, had cleared the continuing resolution to extend current funding for a week, even though Congress was in the process of passing a mammoth spending measure funding all federal agencies through next September, along with nearly $900 billion in coronavirus relief.

The spending Band-Aid Trump signed gives Congress extra time to process the 5,593-page omnibus without any shutdown risk. The House had approved the stopgap earlier Monday as part of a procedural rule on the omnibus measure. That rule was approved on a mostly party-line vote of 227-180.

While the omnibus measure cleared Congress late Monday night, extra time would be needed to get the final legislation printed and signed by House and Senate officials, then packaged and delivered to Trump’s desk. It wasn't clear that Trump would have had time to sign that voluminous measure by midnight Monday, when the most recent stopgap funding was set to run dry.

Computer glitches with uploading the omnibus legislative text files also delayed the bill's release Monday morning, contributing to the timing uncertainty. Senate Majority Whip John Thune, R-S.D., who came to Congress as a House member in 1997, said it was the largest piece of legislation he'd ever seen. “It's a huge project, bigger than anything we've done in the time that I've been here,” Thune told reporters Monday.


https://www.rollcall.com/2020/12/21/another-stopgap-needed-to-give-trump-time-to-sign-massive-bill/

PhilipDC

(76 posts)
52. 1 day and then 7 day.
Tue Dec 22, 2020, 10:17 PM
Dec 2020

The 1 day was Sunday to Monday (which followed a 2 day Friday-Sunday). Then a 7 day 12/21 to 12/28.

BumRushDaShow

(165,791 posts)
53. Yeah - this was all the "late night" finagling.
Tue Dec 22, 2020, 10:18 PM
Dec 2020

I knew about the 1 day to get to Monday but missed reports about last night's additional extension.

Lock him up.

(9,395 posts)
56. How many casinos that privileged moron bankrupted again?
Tue Dec 22, 2020, 11:27 PM
Dec 2020
CHAOS EVERYWHERE

And not a cowaRd of them thinks of invoking the 25th... like it's an emergency?

Bayard

(28,581 posts)
59. That's fine and dandy
Wed Dec 23, 2020, 12:28 AM
Dec 2020

Do it in another bill. This one needs to go into effect NOW, not wait for Congress to do more haggling.

orangecrush

(28,398 posts)
62. What makes you think
Wed Dec 23, 2020, 01:04 AM
Dec 2020



This malignant narcissist psychopath gives a fiddlers feck about any "legacy"?




Sucha NastyWoman

(3,018 posts)
67. This isn't even about $600 vs $2000
Wed Dec 23, 2020, 07:47 AM
Dec 2020

“I am also asking Congress to immediately get rid of the wasteful and unnecessary items from this legislation, and to send me a suitable bill, or else the next administration will have to deliver a covid relief package, and maybe that administration will be me," Trump said. “

Wasteful and unnecessary? Probably critical items. He wants the thing renegotiated.

Even if he got his way what would he want put in there at that point? Re-do the votes in swing states?

BumRushDaShow

(165,791 posts)
71. Some of that spending is also in the FY21 appropriations bill too
Wed Dec 23, 2020, 08:05 AM
Dec 2020

My Congressman (and probably many others) sent out emails and other notifications about what else was in the bill. For example in the email I got -


  • $25 billion in emergency rental assistance, along with an extension of the eviction moratorium until Jan. 31. I recently led a letter with more than 50 of my colleagues urging the CDC to extend its eviction moratorium even further, to March 31, and I will continue pursuing that.

  • Enhanced Unemployment Insurance benefits: Averting the sudden expiration of Unemployment Insurance benefits for millions and adding a $300 per week UI enhancement for Americans out of work. I supported a second $1,200 stimulus payment in the Heroes Act the House passed in May and I will keep pressing for more. In the meantime, in my opinion, the enhanced and extended unemployment benefits will add up to even more help for many people in need than the stimulus payment.

  • Help for hungry families: $13 billion in increased SNAP and child nutrition benefits to help relieve the historic hunger crisis that has left up to 17 million children food-insecure, according to an October report from Feeding America.

  • Education and child care: The agreement provides $82 billion in funding for colleges and schools, including support for HVAC repair and replacement to mitigate virus transmission and reopen classrooms, and $10 billion for child care assistance to help get parents back to work and keep child care providers open.

  • Small businesses: The agreement includes over $284 billion for first and second forgivable PPP (Paycheck Protection Program) loans, $20 billion for targeted EIDL grants to help small businesses, expanded PPP eligibility for nonprofit organizations, and key modifications to PPP to serve the smallest businesses and struggling nonprofits and better assist independent restaurants.The agreement also includes something I have pressed for: dedicated PPP set-asides for lending through community-based lenders like Community Development Financial Institutions (CDFIs) and Minority Depository Institutions (MDIs). I believe this is vital for making sure more of the aid reaches smaller businesses and minority-owned small businesses.

  • Vaccine distribution and Covid testing funding: The package provides billions in urgently needed funds to speed the free and equitable distribution of safe vaccines to as many Americans as possible as soon as possible, to implement a strong national testing and tracing strategy with billions reserved specifically for combating the disparities facing communities of color, and to support health care workers and providers.

  • scipan

    (2,975 posts)
    98. Pocket veto would kill it. Roll Call:
    Wed Dec 23, 2020, 03:35 PM
    Dec 2020
    The formal enrollment of the spending package is not expected to be completed until Thursday or Friday, putting the measure well within the danger zone for a pocket veto when the 116th Congress comes to an end at noon on Jan. 3.

    https://www.rollcall.com/2020/12/23/trumps-threats-to-massive-spending-bill-spoil-christmas-break/

    This doesn't seem important now, but maybe it will be:

    Congress can adjourn and designate an agent to receive veto messages and other communications so that a pocket veto cannot happen, an action Congresses have routinely taken for decades.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pocket_veto

    BumRushDaShow

    (165,791 posts)
    99. Yeah I mentioned pocket veto several times in this thread and in the (now messed up link in) the OP
    Wed Dec 23, 2020, 04:02 PM
    Dec 2020

    which should be this - https://www.senate.gov/reference/glossary_term/pocket_veto.htm (have to fix it when it broke during the edit that added Pelosi's tweet)

    https://www.democraticunderground.com/10142653032#post22
    https://www.democraticunderground.com/10142653032#post20
    https://www.democraticunderground.com/10142653032#post76
    https://www.democraticunderground.com/10142653032#post31

    The technical issues might be -

    1.) When will the completely enrolled bill be "officially" sent to him (which I assume starts the "10 day clock" )
    2.) Will either or both chambers adjourn before January 3rd if this bill isn't signed.
    3.) Amendments and/or separate bills could be proffered to get a signature

    Right now, there might be a day of wiggle room if the thing gets to him by tomorrow. But if he doesn't "officially" have it until Friday, then they may be SOL UNLESS they can maybe vote on some separate bill that indicates that "in the future" (maybe 1st or 2nd quarter) additional stimulus will be doled out and have him sign both. I.e., he can still sign something between now and January 3rd.

    Of course the Senate GOP will have a conniption fit with more spending, but they only need a majority to get something moving in there if they can't get a unanimous consent.

    myohmy2

    (3,705 posts)
    100. yowser...
    Wed Dec 23, 2020, 04:38 PM
    Dec 2020

    ...$2000 sounds much better than $600...

    ...let it not be said my affections can't be bought...

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