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BumRushDaShow

(129,053 posts)
Fri Jan 22, 2021, 07:16 PM Jan 2021

Pfizer Will Ship Fewer Vaccine Vials to Account for 'Extra' Doses

Source: New York Times

In December, pharmacists made the happy discovery that they could squeeze an extra vaccine dose out of Pfizer vials that were supposed to contain only five. Now, it appears, the bill is due. Pfizer plans to count the surprise sixth dose toward its previous commitment of 200 million doses of Covid vaccine by the end of July and therefore will be providing fewer vials than once expected for the United States.

And yet, pharmacists at some vaccination sites say they are still struggling to reliably extract the extra doses, which require the use of a specialty syringe. “Now there’s more pressure to make sure that you get that sixth dose out,” said Michael Ganio, the senior director for pharmacy practice and quality at the American Society of Health-System Pharmacists.

For weeks, Pfizer executives pushed officials at the Food and Drug Administration to change the wording of the vaccine’s so-called emergency use authorization so that it formally acknowledged that the vials contained six doses, not five. The distinction was critical: Pfizer’s contract with the federal government requires that it be paid by the dose.At one point, Pfizer executives lashed out at the top federal vaccine regulator over the government’s reluctance to budge on the request, according to people familiar with the discussions who were not authorized to discuss them.

On Jan. 6, Pfizer got what it wanted. The F.D.A. changed the language in its fact sheet for doctors to confirm that the vials contain a sixth dose. The change mirrors similar labeling updates by the World Health Organization and the F.D.A.’s counterpart in the European Union. Company officials, including the chief executive, Dr. Albert Bourla, have said that the sixth dose allows Pfizer to stretch its supply of scarce vaccine even further — it was one factor, for example, in the company’s new estimates that it will be able to manufacture two billion doses for the world this year, instead of the 1.3 billion it had originally planned. A Pfizer spokeswoman, Amy Rose, said the company would “fulfill our supply commitments in line with our existing agreements — which are based on delivery of doses, not vials.”

Read more: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/22/health/covid-vaccine-pfizer-extra-doses.html



I read where one of the efforts was to get more of the "low volume" syringes so they can get that extra "dose" out of the vial.
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Pfizer Will Ship Fewer Vaccine Vials to Account for 'Extra' Doses (Original Post) BumRushDaShow Jan 2021 OP
That's it Pfizer, show your patriotism in a national dusaster. marble falls Jan 2021 #1
That makes the Biden initiative to ramp up production of the "low volume" syringes seem deurbano Jan 2021 #2
Am guessing the caliber BumRushDaShow Jan 2021 #4
'kin hell! THERE IS ALWAYS A CATCH!!!!!! winstars Jan 2021 #3
I'm so tired of this petty shit FakeNoose Jan 2021 #5
Sounds like Pfizer is looking to cut a better deal with the new administration. patphil Jan 2021 #6
And the rich get richer. At the expense of the rest of us. Again. Midnight Writer Jan 2021 #7
They can't do that, can they? Roy Rolling Jan 2021 #8
why are these health care companies bdtrppr6 Jan 2021 #9

deurbano

(2,895 posts)
2. That makes the Biden initiative to ramp up production of the "low volume" syringes seem
Fri Jan 22, 2021, 07:32 PM
Jan 2021

less promising in terms of increasing the amount of vaccine available to American vaccine recipients. It's great in terms of overall world supply, but it doesn't seem like it will increase our supply here after all? And at this point, since not everyone has those syringes, won't there still be a lot of places only getting 5 doses out of a vial?

BumRushDaShow

(129,053 posts)
4. Am guessing the caliber
Fri Jan 22, 2021, 08:02 PM
Jan 2021

and calibrated marks on those syringes are in finer increments, thus allowing a more precise measurement of what is getting extracted from the vial.

What you see doctors/nurses/techs do as a requirement to get the full volume of a dose that is needed (and as I understand it, I think the vaccine needs to be diluted first too), is that they will pull out a little "extra" and will then squirt out any excess to get to the precise mark (mls, uls, etc), plus that helps to eliminate any air bubbles that could get injected into you by mistake.

So the specialized syringes would minimize loss when pulling solution since you can pull out less to get to the needed volume and have better precision doing it.

FakeNoose

(32,639 posts)
5. I'm so tired of this petty shit
Fri Jan 22, 2021, 08:53 PM
Jan 2021

They're making way more dough selling the same vaccine to other countries, including our so-called allies. We're being allocated because profit $ is the deciding factor. Why don't they just admit it and be done with this stupid fakery?

I know I won't get vaccinated for at least 6 more months, maybe longer. AND I'm within a stone's throw of 70 years of age. You younger ones will be waiting even longer.

Let's cut the BS and the stupid excuses. Thank Chump for this, in case you hadn't guessed.

patphil

(6,180 posts)
6. Sounds like Pfizer is looking to cut a better deal with the new administration.
Fri Jan 22, 2021, 10:03 PM
Jan 2021

Greed Over People...it's the Republican way.

Roy Rolling

(6,917 posts)
8. They can't do that, can they?
Fri Jan 22, 2021, 11:27 PM
Jan 2021

They shipped the vials labeled “5 doses, xxml”

They can’t relabel the vials post-use. This isn’t a Trump “art of the deal” where the U.S. gets fu**ed and some corporate Buddy gets rich.

Take us to court. Z😂

 

bdtrppr6

(796 posts)
9. why are these health care companies
Sat Jan 23, 2021, 01:25 PM
Jan 2021

just fronts for capitalistic bullshit that does not give a shit for the people it's supposed to care for? America is seriously a shithole country. we've turned over all power to corporations and they want to kill us or drain our bank accounts because our governing bodies won't actually fucking govern, just suck at that corporation teat for all the $$$ they can get. i'm tired of this crap.

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