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lanlady

(7,134 posts)
Mon Jan 16, 2012, 03:50 PM Jan 2012

Facebook Gives Politico Deep Access to Users’ Political Sentiments

Counting Twitter mentions would have you believe that Ron Paul is the most popular Republican candidate in the ongoing U.S. primaries. Umm, right.

But some social media analysis of politics is going beyond that. A partnership between Facebook and Politico announced today is one of the more far-reaching efforts. It will consist of sentiment analysis reports and voting-age user surveys, accompanied by stories by Politico reporters.

Most notably, the Facebook-Politico data set will include Facebook users’ private status messages and comments. While that may alarm some people, Facebook and Politico say the entire process is automated and no Facebook employees read the posts.[link:http://allthingsd.com/20120112/facebook-gives-politico-deep-access-to-users-political-sentiments/|
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Facebook Gives Politico Deep Access to Users’ Political Sentiments (Original Post) lanlady Jan 2012 OP
include Facebook users’ private status messages and comments.......WTF????? Alameda Jan 2012 #1
Thank you! dmr Jan 2012 #27
Facebook is the enemy. zonkers Jan 2012 #2
I am closing my Facebook account! This is wrong isn't it? Welibs Jan 2012 #3
Those who use Facebook in light of all that's known, have abdicated all claim to privacy. . . Journeyman Jan 2012 #4
They Don't Have to Read Our Mail to Find Out Where We Stand AndyTiedye Jan 2012 #8
FB knows I make dumb jokes, but that's about it. LanternWaste Jan 2012 #41
Well there is no privacy anymore nadinbrzezinski Jan 2012 #5
It's only a mine customerserviceguy Jan 2012 #22
Oh trust me, we had a story fall on our lap nadinbrzezinski Jan 2012 #25
It's just the latest place to put stupid on display customerserviceguy Jan 2012 #28
And this gives us a whole different discussion nadinbrzezinski Jan 2012 #29
without facebook wisconsin could`t do what they are doing madrchsod Jan 2012 #6
Do people really think that anything posted on the interwebs is private? MaineDem Jan 2012 #7
This Is The Same Lame Excuse DallasNE Jan 2012 #9
My suggestion would be... bathroommonkey76 Jan 2012 #10
You mean your real name ISN'T bathroommonkey76? lob1 Jan 2012 #16
Facebook isn't free. You, the user are the product that is being sold. AtheistCrusader Jan 2012 #11
THREAD WINNER nadinbrzezinski Jan 2012 #26
The Interesting Question is "Why Are They Doing This NOW?" AndyTiedye Jan 2012 #30
exactly iverglas Jan 2012 #35
Dont care azmesa207 Jan 2012 #12
They have no idea of the karma they inherit from their actions. And, this is an invasion of privacy Metta Jan 2012 #13
Another invasion of our privacy. Tripod Jan 2012 #14
This is why you never talk about fight club. harun Jan 2012 #15
Who knew we needed a Fourth Amendment? gratuitous Jan 2012 #17
Depends on how many you could get signed up Prophet 451 Jan 2012 #18
"will include Facebook users’ private status messages and comments." Trillo Jan 2012 #19
Sounds that way to me--tell Aunt Bertha you're going to Orlando, and next thing ya know, MADem Jan 2012 #32
Facebook users should beware Skittles Jan 2012 #20
facebook pottedferne Jan 2012 #21
why do you need facebook to do this? Skittles Jan 2012 #23
Decades ago, when I lived in Japan, my phone bill was five hundred bucks a month. MADem Jan 2012 #33
I have kept up with my relatives WITHOUT EVER CALLING THEM Skittles Jan 2012 #36
It's not all that simple when an easy workday goes for twelve hours and you are MADem Jan 2012 #37
I won't argue anymore but for the record Skittles Jan 2012 #38
When you're in the military it's often a different situation. MADem Jan 2012 #39
Pay attention to the people who run Politico RufusTFirefly Jan 2012 #24
+1,000 nt MADem Jan 2012 #34
Facebook sucks. MADem Jan 2012 #31
ehh whats new Epiphany4z Jan 2012 #40
This is how facebook makes a profit _ed_ Jan 2012 #42
I find the horrifying flamingdem Jan 2012 #43
It's ok because it's automated? hootinholler Jan 2012 #44
There is noting private about Facebook... Tippy Jan 2012 #45

Alameda

(1,895 posts)
1. include Facebook users’ private status messages and comments.......WTF?????
Mon Jan 16, 2012, 03:57 PM
Jan 2012

What is it about private they don't understand?

dmr

(28,347 posts)
27. Thank you!
Mon Jan 16, 2012, 08:55 PM
Jan 2012

I've been rethinking whether to keep my FB going. With the exception of the DU Group I'm on FB, I think it's pretty superficial.

This does anger me. This is what we now know, what else is there that we don't know?

Journeyman

(15,031 posts)
4. Those who use Facebook in light of all that's known, have abdicated all claim to privacy. . .
Mon Jan 16, 2012, 04:13 PM
Jan 2012

They have willfully admitted "Total Information Awareness" into their lives -- "friended" it, as it were -- and have no one to blame but themselves.

Why does anyone believe a for-profit corporation will do anything but seek profit? Especially one run by a snot-nose kid? And more importantly, why does anyone believe TIA has been disbanded or forgotten?

AndyTiedye

(23,500 posts)
8. They Don't Have to Read Our Mail to Find Out Where We Stand
Mon Jan 16, 2012, 04:44 PM
Jan 2012

Most of us are rather vocal about it, actually.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
41. FB knows I make dumb jokes, but that's about it.
Tue Jan 17, 2012, 11:49 AM
Jan 2012

They have willfully admitted "Total Information Awareness" into their lives"

Not really. FB has no knowledge of my income or resources, my religion, my politics, my philosophies, etc. It has no idea where I work. It fact, about the only thing it knows about me is that I make really dumb jokes about three times a week.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
5. Well there is no privacy anymore
Mon Jan 16, 2012, 04:21 PM
Jan 2012

and that is just fantasy...there hasn't been for a while.

And quite frankly they are using a spider to do this, but the FB is a mine of information. The shit people post on the FB, and even here, is astounding.

customerserviceguy

(25,183 posts)
22. It's only a mine
Mon Jan 16, 2012, 08:21 PM
Jan 2012

if you fill it with rich ore. I have one of the damned things (FB pages) but I don't post squat on it. I don't even bother to check it more than every few months, and then, its all the same droll crap that I'd find an excuse to hang up the phone with a person who started using my cell minutes to discuss.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
25. Oh trust me, we had a story fall on our lap
Mon Jan 16, 2012, 08:44 PM
Jan 2012

from Facebook.

As far as I post, same shit different place... and at this point some hot potatoes, will remain there.

I started my account to check on occupy sites. Some kind of are that way.

customerserviceguy

(25,183 posts)
28. It's just the latest place to put stupid on display
Mon Jan 16, 2012, 09:14 PM
Jan 2012

My lady spends a lot of time there, and she cannot help but notice the really brainless stuff that our friends' twenty and thirtysomething kids post on it, and expect to remain employable afterwards.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
29. And this gives us a whole different discussion
Mon Jan 16, 2012, 09:23 PM
Jan 2012

on how these kids have grown in a world where you tweet, and facebook everything and wonder why we can't keep things to ourselves.

madrchsod

(58,162 posts)
6. without facebook wisconsin could`t do what they are doing
Mon Jan 16, 2012, 04:21 PM
Jan 2012

like it or not facebook and you tube are the social media that 50 years ago we could have never dreamed of. hell i had as mimeograph machine , i had to drive 100 miles to get underground magazines and newspapers, and i watched three televisions news programs.

we might not like facebook,youtube,and others but we sure in the hell do not want to go back to the 60`s

DallasNE

(7,403 posts)
9. This Is The Same Lame Excuse
Mon Jan 16, 2012, 04:54 PM
Jan 2012

The Bush administration used to "justify" warrantless wiretaps of all phone conversations in America except for US West territory (they refused to provide it). It was automated and nobody listened to the actual conversations. So will Politico read the posts served up by Facebook?

 

bathroommonkey76

(3,827 posts)
10. My suggestion would be...
Mon Jan 16, 2012, 05:05 PM
Jan 2012

to use a fake name and post fake pictures on your Facebook account.

I have had a fake account for 3 years.

AndyTiedye

(23,500 posts)
30. The Interesting Question is "Why Are They Doing This NOW?"
Mon Jan 16, 2012, 10:03 PM
Jan 2012


I have noticed a huge change in Facebook in the past year. Teabagger stuff is almost all gone, while pro-OWS/anti-teabagger posts are all over the place.

Methinks the people behind Politico have noticed this also, and are starting to panic. They are digging deeper in hopes that they can find some "silent majority" that still backs them. They won't. The deeper they look, the more opposition they will find.
 

iverglas

(38,549 posts)
35. exactly
Tue Jan 17, 2012, 03:40 AM
Jan 2012

(Kinda like here at DU )

Radio and television stations sell their audience to the advertisers -- they deliver the audience, hopefully the one the advertiser is seeking, in exchange for the advertisers' $$. Facebook, and any internet discussion board that carries advertising or otherwise makes its users available to a third party for money, is doing exactly the same thing.

It appears to be a win-win-win situation, on its face. Free programming for the audience, profit for the broadcaster, a vehicle for the advertiser to reach its target population. Until the audience stops to think what it might be offered if it were actually able to exercise choice outside the narrow lowest-common-denominator range presented. There's a reason that BBC programming is head and shoulders above US network programming: it is funded by the public, and produced for the public.

If Facebook is (and it is) selling its users to its advertisers and whatever other customers it can come up with, obviously it is going to facilitate and encourage the users to make as much information about themselves as possible available to Facebook, and exploit that information commercially by selling it on.

I have a number of Facebook accounts. None of them or the associated contain any information about myself beyond an equally uninformative gmail address. If I want to communicate with people I know, I do it in true private. It's beyond me why anyone would do otherwise.

azmesa207

(345 posts)
12. Dont care
Mon Jan 16, 2012, 05:27 PM
Jan 2012


I dont care if the world knows I think republican are crooks I like posting video showing Romney is a serial killer because he killed American workers jobs . [ The world should kinow he a creep

Metta

(5,822 posts)
13. They have no idea of the karma they inherit from their actions. And, this is an invasion of privacy
Mon Jan 16, 2012, 05:35 PM
Jan 2012

Some people learn the hard way.

Tripod

(854 posts)
14. Another invasion of our privacy.
Mon Jan 16, 2012, 05:58 PM
Jan 2012

Thank you so much for this post. I had no idea this was taking place. It is so sad

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
17. Who knew we needed a Fourth Amendment?
Mon Jan 16, 2012, 06:34 PM
Jan 2012

Give folks a 20% Groupon, and they'll tell you anything you want to know about themselves!

I wonder if there would be a market for a Facebook equivalent that would be a subscription service? Call it FacePay or something. Works the same way, but everything on it belongs to the FacePay community, not to the folks who run the site, and the folks who run the site make their money from their subscribers not from the companies to whom they rat out their subscribers. Would a $10 monthly or even an annual fee be enough money to support the site and its servers? Would rates go down as more people subscribed to a commercial-free site run by and for its members?

Prophet 451

(9,796 posts)
18. Depends on how many you could get signed up
Mon Jan 16, 2012, 06:59 PM
Jan 2012

Many MMOs manage to run themselves on a monthly fee of about ten bucks without needing millions of subscribers. Based on that model, I think you'd need about 70-100k subscribers paying a monthly fee of ten bucks or so.

That said, there's also a market for a kind of free+ system where membership is free but you can buy additional perks for small prices. Zynga's Facebook games or any of the f2p MMOs work by having the game itself for free but the ability to buy additional features in micro-transactions. For example, City Of Heroes (a superhero MMO) lets you buy additional costume options for your hero or additional powersets (which are carefully balanced to ensure that you can't just pay your way to winning).

I think your major problem with such a business would be convincing people to sign up. While there's always a few who will sign up just for the status symbol, if you're identical to Facebook (we'll ignore the legal issues there for the moment), most people are just going to stay with Facebook because it's free nd already there.

That said, I'd be willing to pay ten bucks just for a Facebook that doesn't screw around with my layout every six weeks.

Trillo

(9,154 posts)
19. "will include Facebook users’ private status messages and comments."
Mon Jan 16, 2012, 07:49 PM
Jan 2012

What does "private status messages and comments" mean? Is that some kind of comment that was made privately, with the understanding that it was private?

One of the best things about First Class mail is that there's a federal law that protects it, or so I've read often enough to believe such a law either exists or existed at one time, that if another entity intercepts that mail, such interception is supposedly a felony.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
32. Sounds that way to me--tell Aunt Bertha you're going to Orlando, and next thing ya know,
Tue Jan 17, 2012, 03:22 AM
Jan 2012

you're being spammed with ads for Disney!

The 'free and easy internet' doesn't have those US mail protections. It's a trade-off. Lots of freedom, few protections from commercial predators.

Skittles

(153,160 posts)
20. Facebook users should beware
Mon Jan 16, 2012, 07:59 PM
Jan 2012

Last edited Mon Jan 16, 2012, 08:30 PM - Edit history (1)

it's a fucking data farm; I not only do not use Facebook, I refuse all Facebook requests

pottedferne

(1 post)
21. facebook
Mon Jan 16, 2012, 08:02 PM
Jan 2012

I joined fb to stay in touch with far away relatives and friends and it has been great seeing the pix of the babies walking for the first time and news of home. I did not fill out a profile and do not express anything political or religious. I get plenty of it though. "If you don't repost this prayer you ain't gonna be in the rapture" and such as that but I don't bite. The only thing they will find out about me is pictures of my animals and some great recipes.

Skittles

(153,160 posts)
23. why do you need facebook to do this?
Mon Jan 16, 2012, 08:33 PM
Jan 2012

I am curious - I was a GI brat and have been able to easily "keep up" with faraway relatives without resorting to a public social network - it's NOT that hard - it just takes a little bit of EFFORT

MADem

(135,425 posts)
33. Decades ago, when I lived in Japan, my phone bill was five hundred bucks a month.
Tue Jan 17, 2012, 03:26 AM
Jan 2012

That was a shitload of money back in those days, too--but I had family all over hell.

I probably would have liked something like Facebook, or even email, but it was very early days for computers back then. My staff was still using Selectric typewriters!

Skittles

(153,160 posts)
36. I have kept up with my relatives WITHOUT EVER CALLING THEM
Tue Jan 17, 2012, 04:13 AM
Jan 2012

seriously, it can be done

my English grandparents never even had a phone - even if they did, calling would have been to expensive. I sent them snail mail, and from the time I was five years old I drew the outline of my hand on the back of the envelope - did that for 25 years

MADem

(135,425 posts)
37. It's not all that simple when an easy workday goes for twelve hours and you are
Tue Jan 17, 2012, 04:25 AM
Jan 2012

sometimes working seven days a week.

When I had a few minutes, I'd be making a phone call--not trying to carve out time to write letters, buy stamps, etc.

There's nothing like the sound of a loved one's voice.

I think that Skype and things of that nature are a real boon to people who have to be far from home for a long period of time. It's an aspect of technology that I think has made a real difference for separated families.

Skittles

(153,160 posts)
38. I won't argue anymore but for the record
Tue Jan 17, 2012, 06:47 AM
Jan 2012

I work 12 hour shifts, all night long, at LEAST four nights a week

I find that people who say they dont have time usually have plenty of time do do anything BUT family-oriented stuff

MADem

(135,425 posts)
39. When you're in the military it's often a different situation.
Tue Jan 17, 2012, 07:03 AM
Jan 2012

There's sometimes no "home" to go to, and four night work weeks would be regarded as skating!

RufusTFirefly

(8,812 posts)
24. Pay attention to the people who run Politico
Mon Jan 16, 2012, 08:42 PM
Jan 2012

For starters, look up Joe L. Albritton, or Politico's CEO Frederick J. Ryan. If international relations is your bag, check out the connection between Albritton and Augusto Pinochet.

Don't say you haven't been warned.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
31. Facebook sucks.
Tue Jan 17, 2012, 03:20 AM
Jan 2012

If you must use it, invent a name and encourage your family members to do the same. Opt out of everything, and fuck with them so their "data" is useless.

Way too many people get upset about city surveillance cameras, but FACEBOOK and Smart Phones that track your every move and deliver advertising to you are the real nefarious elements when it comes to personal privacy.

Epiphany4z

(2,234 posts)
40. ehh whats new
Tue Jan 17, 2012, 09:28 AM
Jan 2012

it sucks but I never had any expectation of privacy on line.

I happen to enjoy face book. I get a small peek into my college kids life and lots of pics I would normally never get from them. I Keep up with OWS stuff and tick of my right wing relatives. <--this activity can be a lot of fun

I have never posted anything on line with any expectation of privacy. Pre face book years ,with just a few phone calls and no proof of who I was, I got all kinds of info on my sister. I am still shocked at the info I was given.

If I really want it to be private I will go knock on the persons door. Hell, even then it is only as private as the person your telling it to.

Every time I shop and use a card someone is collecting info. I see very little hope of getting out of being mined for data these days. Ahh well I am off to check my face book.


_ed_

(1,734 posts)
42. This is how facebook makes a profit
Tue Jan 17, 2012, 01:27 PM
Jan 2012

Did you think they were hosting billions of gigabytes of your photos, comments, and messages out of altruism? This is the online marketing strategy used by almost every website that uses advertising.

I'm an internet marketer, and I place ads on facebook. Trust me: we don't care at all -- at all -- who you are. We're mining statistical data. We don't care about individuals. We're looking to place ads for people like you, not you specifically. I have never once seen any of this data connected with an actual person. If this data were even available from google or facebook, I would ignore it because it's wholly irrelevant to what I do for a living.

This has NOTHING to do with privacy. We're using information that you post publicly on the internet. You agreed to the terms of service of facebook when you joined.

If you don't like facebook using the information that you freely and without coercion post publicly on the internet, I'd encourage you to start your own website like facebook and try a subscription model to fund it. It won't work. This is why facebook is "free" to use.

flamingdem

(39,313 posts)
43. I find the horrifying
Tue Jan 17, 2012, 01:32 PM
Jan 2012

Politico is the go to gang for the mainstream media - undeservedly imo - right wingsters in general playing that middle course act for profit

Tippy

(4,610 posts)
45. There is noting private about Facebook...
Tue Jan 17, 2012, 03:46 PM
Jan 2012

Want to know who is messing with someone's wife or husband?

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