CNN Poll: Obama tied with Romney & Paul in November showdowns

[bathroommonkey76]

Washington (CNN) – Mitt Romney is all tied up with President Barack Obama in a likely general election matchup, with the president showing signs of weakness on the economy and Romney seen as out of touch with ordinary Americans, according to a new national survey.

And a CNN/ORC International Poll released Monday also indicates that Rep. Ron Paul of Texas is also even with Obama in another possible showdown this November. The survey also suggests the Republican advantage on voter enthusiasm is eroding, which could be crucial in a close contest.

According to the survey, if the November election were held today and Romney were the Republican presidential nominee, 48% say they'd vote for the former Massachusetts governor, with 47% supporting the president. Romney's one point margin is well within the poll's sampling error.


More here:

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/01/16/cnn-poll-obama-tied-with-romney-paul-in-november-showdowns/?on.cnn=1

View the PDF results of the poll here:

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2012/images/01/16/rel1bb.pdf

[DCBob]

1. Tied with Paul.. that is obscene.

What is wrong with this country?

[gateley]

2. His supporters are rabid. And those who are "supporting" Romney just want to vote against Obama. nt

[DCBob]

4. Well even so .. that will never hold up over the course of a campaign.

His nutiness will come out and freak out most voters.

[gateley]

29. Which one -- Paul or Romney?

They're both pretty scary.

I still think the anti-Obama vote will be a threat. They don't care WHO is running against him, he'll get their votes, IMO. And hatred is a much stronger motivator than apathy.

[alp227]

3. let's see Romney and Paul talk themselves downwards.

eventually independents, who are the crucial swing voters, will vote away from Raw Money wen they learn of his flip flops. Or if Paul gets nominated or is the running mate, when they discover Paul's radical views in his newsletters and the "LET HIM DIE!" debate moment, then Paul will lose the indies.

[DCBob]

5. Yes, these people in this poll must not know Paul very well.

Surely there arent that many idiots in this country.

[bathroommonkey76]

7. The 2000 & 2004 elections are proof that there are plenty of idiots in this country!

[Hawkowl]

9. That is good example, but not for your reason

It has less to do with Americans being idiots, than craven cowards in allowing our elections to be stolen. First in Florida by the Supreme Court and then in Ohio by a runaway uncle Tom Secretary of State.

What we should get out of these poll results is that the MSM corporate media is preparing us for another stolen election. When it is close, the tie goes to the Rethuglican criminals.

Obama had better swing into full blown populist mode if he wants to overcome the theft factor.

[bathroommonkey76]

12. The morons that voted

for Bush 2000 are responsible for electing the toad.

I do agree with you that the Supreme Court handed Bush the win, but the Americans that were brainwashed into his song & dance in the end were the ultimate cowards.

[libinnyandia]

24. Nader played a role in 2000.

[former9thward]

31. Another Nader is the root of all evil poster.

Pat Buchanan took away votes from Bush too. How come that is never brought up? It was a wash.

[libinnyandia]

43. The left will always lose when it is divided.

[CBHagman]

54. Possibly because Gore won the popular vote and because the Florida electoral votes...

...depended on a relatively small number of votes. Read the chapter on the study of the Florida recount in Kathleen Hall Jamieson and Paul Waldman's The Press Effect.

It doesn't do the country any good for Nader to go around proclaiming he's got all the answers (and indeed that both major parties are the same) and yet pursue a strategy that helps the right wing get in.

[libinnyandia]

57. I worked for a Nader-inspired group for most of the 1980's.

If he had worked on the local and state level to bring about change instead of working to hurt Gore, the outcome would have been different. It is so sadly ironic that a man who worked to limit corporate power helped elect a man who appointed SCOTUS judges who ruled that corporations are people.

[pnwmom]

56. And so are the 95,000 Nader voters in the critical swing state of Florida.

They helped elect Nader more than Bush voters in many states.

[cthulu2016]

18. Unlkike all the smart people who would vote for Romney?

[still_one]

32. This country has been going this direction for a long time. Anti-education and zenophobic which

leads to people voting against their own self-interests such as Social Security, Medicare, or civil rights

I have very little optimism for the near future, and strongly suspect that the fights for civil rights, woman's rights, and everything else that was fought for in the last 50 years, will have to be redone

In addition, whoever wins the south wins the country. That was nixon's "southern" strategy, and as long as the electoral college exists, it will be the direction of the country

We are in for some very hard times. Is there any Southern state that Obama could win right now?

[DCBob]

36. In the south Obama could win Florida, NC and Virginia.

with of course FL being the big one. In fact I think whoever wins Florida probably wins the whole thing.

[IamK]

37. or he could lose...

President Barack Obama is trailing his top GOP rival Mitt Romney in the swing state of Florida 10 months out from the general election.

A new Quinnipiac survey shows the president trailing Romney 46 percent to 43 percent among registered voters. Obama fared better against Rick Santorum, besting the former Pennsylvania senator 45 percent to 43 percent in the Sunshine State.

http://www.politico.com/politico44/2012/01/obama-trails-romney-in-florida-110456.html

[DCBob]

39. Not bad.. the campaign has not even started.

Romney numbers are probably about as high now as they will ever get.

[phylny]

42. That's what I think.

President Obama's campaign hasn't even had a chance to return the constant attacks.

[still_one]

38. Looking at Florida's past record, I am not too optimistic. /nt

[DCBob]

40. Why? Obama won Florida in 2008.

He could win it again especially given the negative impact that nutcase governor has given the GOP.

[still_one]

49. 2000, 2004, 2010, 2008 was not the norm since 2000

the Democrats have lost a lot of power in that state

Oh, by the way

I hope my assessment is wrong, and we win Florida

[still_one]

50. I wish I was as positive as you. In 2010, Virginia Democrats didn't want to be associated with

Obama in the midterms

[Conslayer25]

55. Get involved now

This is why people need to get involved now with Obama's re-election campaign. Find your local Obama group and start phone banking a couple hours each a week. I've been phone banking for Obama every Monday night since January 2nd. This is an important election and it will be a close one. Don't take anything for granted. Start working now to make sure Obama gets re-elected.

[Aviation Pro]

6. All the attention is on the Republicant non-nomination process....

...as soon as the American people get a real look at Lurch Romney this 'tie' will go by the wayside.

[bigdarryl]

14. Thats if the media doesn't go in the tank for him

[Richardo]

8. False.

If it's not based on electoral votes, it's horseshit.

[Deep13]

10. Right.

If Obama wins CA, FL, and NY by one vote each, but loses every single vote in the other gulf states and those big square states out west, he still wins.

[Lochloosa]

16. FL is going to be a tough one this year.

[still_one]

34. The whole south will be a tough one this year /nt

[still_one]

33. That makes it even worse. Whoever wins the south wins the election /nt

[Hugabear]

11. The more people see and hear of Ron Paul, the less attractive he'll be

Sure, he'll always have the rabid batshit insane vote. But the more "average" people see and hear of him, the more it will scare the crap out of them.

[bigdarryl]

13. Here we go again with this DEAD HEAT shit again

The media love to say Presidential races are dead heat around this time which makes me suspicious of these polls which by the way mean nothing to say Ron Paul is tied with President Obama is CRAZY

[JoePhilly]

17. YUP ... media needs it to be close ... otherwise, the 24/7 pundit jobs go "bu-bye"!!!

You don't need 24/7 pundits next November if the election outcome is obvious now.

They media will do everything it can to keep the perception that the race is close.

[RKP5637]

52. Yep, more $$$ for MSM if the election is close, so they will do their best

to report and fabricate as necessary to keep it close.

[AnotherMcIntosh]

23. x2

[Avalux]

15. Bullshit. There's no way - for either of them. n/t

[PSPS]

19. Nonsense, but the MSM does this every cycle to manufacture a "horserace". Viewers = $$$ for ads.

[JoePhilly]

20. Focus on the Averages of the polls ... like RealClear ...

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/us/general_election_romney_vs_obama-1171.html

If Romney or Paul starts to beat Obama on a regular basis, THEN flip out.

But that is not happening.

To see this, look at the GRAPH at RealClear at the link above.

Then look at the historical polls, occasionally Romney beats Obama ... but its rare and the margin is usually tiny.

This same pattern occurred in 2008. McCain occasionally won a single poll, but usually by a small amount. And Obama was consistently winning by around 6%, particularly during the summer prior to the election.

Romney is struggling to get his head above water against Obama, and that's why you need to look at all the polls. The fact that Romney occasionally breaks the surface and gets to breathe for a second, is nothing to get excited about.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

26. +1! Thank you for a reasoned post, as always!

[JoePhilly]

27. Awe thanks ...

[still_one]

35. As long as the electoral college exists, the southern states will have an advantage, and whoever

wins the south wins the election

That is what Howard Dean recognized

[Sherman A1]

21. Horse Hockey

This is simply "media" self serving nonsense.

[Robbins]

22. Well

The Republican Nomination Is basiclly over.It's Romney.The Primarys are now just a formality.Romney has been able to attack
Obama 24/7 without anyone calling him on anything.That will soon change.

During this campaign Bain Capital will become a Household name.

Let's see what Happens with bunch of ads attacking him,and Obama and Biden attacking Romney.And In debate Obama Isn't going to
nice to Romney like the Republicans debates.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

25. Why this poll doesn't matter: The Republicans have their primaries right now. So of course they are

receiving an inordinate amount of attention from the Corporate Media. Once their candidate is set in stone, then I'll start to worry about this. Right now, it's nothing but a snapshot in time.

[Bill USA]

28. LOL. tied with Paul shows how laughable this 'poll' is. Paul is from another planet. wouldn't get

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10% of vote. More likely 7%. People say anything to pollsters right now. Actual voting is something else again.

[Iliyah]

30. What a bullshit poll

Cnn yea right. Not true, but they know that. Corporate media just want to make it close for $$$ value. Same BS when McCain/Palin ran. Plus the corporate people want it close so it can go to the US Supreme Court and we know how that will end. Thats why Pres O will win big so the voter suppression and goppers trying to steal the states won't matter.

[CakeGrrl]

41. Meaningless when

the President hasn't even campaigned yet, and the GOP still hasn't completely settled on Romney.

[dballance]

44. What BS. Romney is such a lier and so is CNN. Just trying to boost ratings.

Obama will wipe the floor with that lying Romney. And Perry would be even worse. I don't know who is more laughable.
Romney is a congenital lier who will say anything he thinks will get him elected. And Perry is several bricks shy of a full load. It's a good thing the TX legislator is only part time. Otherwise those poor people would be subject to Perry far too often. Hopefully they'll wake up in the next election and vote in someone with an IQ.

There will be 7/24 adds telling what a lier Romney is and they will be accurate.

Who wants such a dishonest person for president?

Unlike Regan both Bushes and Clinton Obama hasn't had a scandal during his term. Maybe that's because he's an honest, decent person. I know I'm voting for him again in November.

I can't believe anyone would vote for the assclowns in the GOP field. You'd have to be so embarassed.

[1stlady]

45. Please!!

There has been non-stop attack ads against Obama by all of these candidates. He hasn't ran any negative attack ads back at any of them and this is the best they can do. I live in FL and Mittens has an ad out that is attacking Newt, the ad is basically linking him to Obama and Pelosi. I see this ad every day, which is why he has a slight lead in FL. I think Obama should start running some ads in swing states. Not ads attacking Mittens yet, but ads showcasing all his accomplishments and why voters should stick with him. He should save all the ammunition and negative attack ads against Mittens until he's announced the nominee.

[fujiyama]

46. I think Obama understands he has a tough fight ahead to keep his job

He's been getting piled on by the entire GOP field for a while and has not started campaigning yet. The good thing is Obama does have a pretty decent war chest which will be a must, considering all the Super PACs out there.

I think we'll see the numbers fluctuate quite a bit. If Romney starts opening a huge lead and keeps it, then there will be some cause for concern. We all know that Romney isn't particular well liked by just about anyone so I can't see him actually exciting people to be enthusiastic about his campaign. The VP pick could make some difference. For now a tie isn't horrible considering the unemployment rate and the way things have been going for many out there. While there may be some signs of a recovery, it's very rocky and uncertain.

We'll also see state polls start cropping up. I think VA and NC are especially worth noticing, as well as CO, NM, and NV. He will definitely need NM and CO - and one big swing state. NV might be tougher (and I believe there is a big Mormon population out there as well).

Of course, the traditional swing states will be important too (OH, PA, FL). The electoral count will almost certainly be much closer this time. I definitely don't see him carrying IN this time, for example.

[bigdarryl]

47. Just remember also Allan Lichtman has a better insight on Presidential elections than anyone else

I have his book on The 13 Keys To The White House and reading it it goes by historical Presidential patterns not this horse race shit with polling that the media loves plus these polling out fits make millions of dollars during elections

[SomeGuyInEagan]

48. Yawn. First, the media needs to sell ads. Second, most people don't pay attention until August.

Third, national numbers are meaningless ... this is an electoral race, as always.

Fourth, *I* think it all hinges on the economy anyway - that's one thing Clinton knew well and wouldn't let himself forget. It's always the economy.

[pam4water]

51. Near tie with Ron Crazy Paul. That's scary.

[ProfessionalLeftist]

53. Close enough to steal - again?

What a coinky-dink. Nevermind all the millions of disenfranchised voters too.