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MissMillie

(38,562 posts)
Wed Mar 17, 2021, 12:59 PM Mar 2021

More Americans Want Inquiry Into Voter Fraud Claims Than Riot, Poll Says

Source: Bloomberg via MSN

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/more-americans-want-inquiry-into-voter-fraud-claims-than-riot-poll-says/ar-BB1eGHZ9?li=BB141NW3&ocid=U483DHP


(Bloomberg) -- More Americans want an independent investigation into voter fraud in the 2020 election than into the Jan. 6 riot at the U.S. Capitol, according to a poll from Monmouth University released Wednesday.

Although election officials across the country have said there was no evidence of widespread voter fraud in the 2020 election despite claims to the contrary by former President Donald Trump, 59% of Americans in the poll said they would like an independent investigation into the allegations.

Slightly fewer, 53% of Americans, say there should be an independent commission created to investigate the riot at the U.S. Capitol that left five people dead, including a police officer. An additional 37% say an internal review of how officials dealt with the riot would be enough.

The Monmouth poll was conducted over the phone from February 25 to March 1, and has a margin of error of 3.5 percentage points.

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi has proposed a 9/11-style bipartisan commission to investigate the events on January 6. But Republican lawmakers have pushed back over the commission’s proposed makeup and whether it would also look into broader questions of political unrest, including protests over racism and police violence.

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I wonder if any of them heard about TX spending 22,000 hours looking into fraud and finding only 16 mis-matched addresses
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More Americans Want Inquiry Into Voter Fraud Claims Than Riot, Poll Says (Original Post) MissMillie Mar 2021 OP
That's distressing nt intrepidity Mar 2021 #1
IT IS A LIE..... they sure as crap didn't ask for MY opinion !!!!! Trueblue1968 Mar 2021 #34
All this means is 6% more republicans are willing to ignore 1/6 than democrats election integrity. FreepFryer Mar 2021 #2
Thats bullshit... Maxheader Mar 2021 #3
Ever notice how many right wing sites get posted here. gab13by13 Mar 2021 #5
Ditto that! WVreaper Mar 2021 #8
There are lots of ways to write poll questions to get the answers you want. lagomorph777 Mar 2021 #16
if it smells like bullshit you can be sure it is. +1. bullimiami Mar 2021 #25
Sloppy Design Most Likely, Ma'am The Magistrate Mar 2021 #4
Me either. Ligyron Mar 2021 #23
That Is Likely True, Sir The Magistrate Mar 2021 #24
horseshit - the election says otherwise bringthePaine Mar 2021 #6
"59% ... in the poll said they would like an independent investigation into the allegations..." PSPS Mar 2021 #7
The deplorables will never accept the results of an investigation unless it's in their favor. TheRealNorth Mar 2021 #14
Yeah, I'm going to doubt this one. BlueStater Mar 2021 #9
I could not agree more. twodogsbarking Mar 2021 #11
You think voter fraud was significant in 2020? lagomorph777 Mar 2021 #17
I think more pressure phone calls were made twodogsbarking Mar 2021 #32
Start with ES&S ones ace3csusm Mar 2021 #22
riot? That's a really lousy way of spelling INSURRECTION! truthisfreedom Mar 2021 #10
Well, I for one would support an independent investigation into claims of voter fraud robbob Mar 2021 #12
There's been 3 of them in the last 2 decades MissMillie Mar 2021 #15
You have a good point. robbob Mar 2021 #19
I agree. Call their bluff LiberalLovinLug Mar 2021 #20
A bit contradictory given the responses to othe questions in the survey. Fla Dem Mar 2021 #13
+1 Something is fishy with the headline claim. lagomorph777 Mar 2021 #18
The bitter third torius Mar 2021 #37
Baloney Snackshack Mar 2021 #21
I'd support an inquiry into voter fraud claims, to prove there was no voter fraud. CaptainTruth Mar 2021 #26
Malarkey [in honor of St Patrick's Day] iluvtennis Mar 2021 #27
Actually, I'd like to see an independent investigation into ALL forms of Election fraud... TygrBright Mar 2021 #28
Let's investigate all forms of GOP voter suppression, and reverse them. LastLiberal in PalmSprings Mar 2021 #31
This is the result of office-holders abusing the privileges of the office to spread lies. This is wiggs Mar 2021 #29
I would rather see an inquiry into Election Fraud more than anything else ... aggiesal Mar 2021 #30
give me a fucking break. barbtries Mar 2021 #33
"most Americans" (meaning MAGATs) wouldn't believe the truthful results of such an inquiry flibbitygiblets Mar 2021 #35
it's truly depressing how virulent and pernicious rightwing lies are with Americans LymphocyteLover Mar 2021 #36
I take it that these are mostly white people. Mr. Scorpio Mar 2021 #38
The insurrection is widely known, the voter fraud nonexistent bucolic_frolic Mar 2021 #39

Maxheader

(4,373 posts)
3. Thats bullshit...
Wed Mar 17, 2021, 01:06 PM
Mar 2021


imho...no I have no numbers to compare..no I have no articles to reference.

I question their information gathering techniques...

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
16. There are lots of ways to write poll questions to get the answers you want.
Wed Mar 17, 2021, 01:56 PM
Mar 2021

I suspect that's what Bloomberg did here.

The Magistrate

(95,247 posts)
4. Sloppy Design Most Likely, Ma'am
Wed Mar 17, 2021, 01:11 PM
Mar 2021

As was done back during the ACA deliberations. A large number were reported as not liking this, but generally no distinction was made between people who opposed the act because it was 'big government', and those who thought it ought to go a good deal further than it did.

An investigation into the 'rigged election' charges might well make even more plain than it is already that not only were these bogus, but identify plainly the liars and cheats who promoted the bogus claims, and their purpose in doing so. I would not mind such an investigation in the slightest....

Ligyron

(7,634 posts)
23. Me either.
Wed Mar 17, 2021, 02:37 PM
Mar 2021

Because the vast majority of any voter fraud discovered will, without a doubt, have been perpetrated largely by GrOPers.

The Magistrate

(95,247 posts)
24. That Is Likely True, Sir
Wed Mar 17, 2021, 03:02 PM
Mar 2021

Certainly most of the recent petty acts have been by individual Republicans, or Republican operatives.

Beyond that, demonstrating the falsity of the charges opens naturally into why and how they were concocted, and by whom and to what end. We actually do know all that, but details are always fascinating....

PSPS

(13,603 posts)
7. "59% ... in the poll said they would like an independent investigation into the allegations..."
Wed Mar 17, 2021, 01:18 PM
Mar 2021

I too would like an investigation into what was the motivation behind the allegations. The poll's wording and methodology is a mess and doesn't reflect the distinction between someone who questions the election and someone who questions the nefarious actions taken to undermine confidence.

BlueStater

(7,596 posts)
9. Yeah, I'm going to doubt this one.
Wed Mar 17, 2021, 01:26 PM
Mar 2021

Smells like a big steaming mound of horseshit to me.

Who the fuck did they poll to get these questionable results?

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
17. You think voter fraud was significant in 2020?
Wed Mar 17, 2021, 01:57 PM
Mar 2021

Or are you saying you want election fraud investigated. In that category, I include voter suppression.

robbob

(3,531 posts)
12. Well, I for one would support an independent investigation into claims of voter fraud
Wed Mar 17, 2021, 01:32 PM
Mar 2021

in order to show, once and for all, that there is NO significant voter fraud in America. Also to show how states are using this lie to increase voter suppression, directed mainly at minorities and other groups who probably won’t vote GOP.

Maybe others who were polled are thinking along the same lines?

MissMillie

(38,562 posts)
15. There's been 3 of them in the last 2 decades
Wed Mar 17, 2021, 01:52 PM
Mar 2021

costing MILLIONS

(including one immediately following the 2016 election, commissioned by Donald Trump, at the cost of around $7 million)

robbob

(3,531 posts)
19. You have a good point.
Wed Mar 17, 2021, 02:07 PM
Mar 2021

I guess what I was getting at was that a random poll question like that cannot determine the thought process of the respondents. A simple question like “do you believe there was significant and systematic voter fraud in the 2020 election” would undoubtedly produce a much different result. Instead, we are left to speculate as to WHY people would answer the way they did.

LiberalLovinLug

(14,174 posts)
20. I agree. Call their bluff
Wed Mar 17, 2021, 02:15 PM
Mar 2021

And like you inferred, just make sure you also include ALL fraud, including election fraud.

If they really want millions of their tax dollars spent on some government inquiry. Waste of money but if it accomplishes what you stated, then its worth it. Of course it would have to be a bi-partisan inquiry to be taken even remotely seriously by the brainwashed R base. So good luck with that. They wouldn't be satisfied unless the Republicans appointed on that panel were die hard Trump Big Lie supporters, and were calling the inquiry a sham before it even got off the ground.

Maybe involve Bush. Or some more moderate Republican that at least a majority if R's still respect in some way. And some Democrat who is not utterly despised by the right. Hard to find one I know. Maybe Manchin. Give him something important to do to feed his ego, and as an exchange for helping his party out with the filibuster and min wage etc..

I wouldn't mind, even after spending all that time and money, to hear the big conclusion announcement....How they only found .02 % actual voter fraud. ......but they did find some disturbing actions by Republican governors to disenfranchise voters in fraudulent ways.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
18. +1 Something is fishy with the headline claim.
Wed Mar 17, 2021, 01:59 PM
Mar 2021

It's just not credible, unless they manipulated the questions so some/most would think the pollster is asking whether they want voter suppression and other election fraud tactics investigated.

torius

(1,652 posts)
37. The bitter third
Wed Mar 17, 2021, 06:14 PM
Mar 2021

as Joy Reid called them. The Qs, the Oath Keepers, the anti-maskers. They live in their own unreality by choice, no point trying to get through to them. It's not the same as it being 1/3 of rational Americans. It's like asking a question about whether everything in the Bible is literally true. A fair amount of people will probably say yes.

CaptainTruth

(6,594 posts)
26. I'd support an inquiry into voter fraud claims, to prove there was no voter fraud.
Wed Mar 17, 2021, 03:21 PM
Mar 2021

We know there was no voter fraud, so fine, let there be an inquiry that reviews all the evidence & concludes "Nope, it didn't happen, it's all a big lie."

That would help us make our case against the 250+ voting rights restrictions that Republicans are pushing in various states. Republicans are pushing all those voting restrictions because they claim there was fraud. If an independent inquiry finds there was no fraud... well then you don't really need any of those restrictions, do you?

TygrBright

(20,762 posts)
28. Actually, I'd like to see an independent investigation into ALL forms of Election fraud...
Wed Mar 17, 2021, 03:47 PM
Mar 2021

...including the number of eligible potential voters who were prevented from voting, and how.

As well as a thorough compendium of all the information on any potentially invalid votes that may have been counted and/or any actually invalid votes that were removed from counts.

It would be very illuminating.

First we'd have to agree on a definition of "independent" though.

Could be expensive, even if we did. Let's take the money from corporate welfare programs and high-bracket tax deductions.

helpfully,
Bright

31. Let's investigate all forms of GOP voter suppression, and reverse them.
Wed Mar 17, 2021, 04:59 PM
Mar 2021

Otherwise, it's just another excuse for the Russia/GOP/Trump cabal to use to futher shut down democracy. That's their end goal, isn't it? The Repugs want permanent single-party rule by rich white males, Trump wants to be president-for-life, a title he can hand down to his spawn, and Putin wants to destroy the American experiment in self rule, and thus global efforts to achieve the same. We had the most secure election ever, and yet the Big Lie is being used by all three to sew doubt in the America public's minds. And the media is going along with it, never challenging the sources of Republicans' insane comments about how the insurrection didn't really happen, and why judges are letting the people who took part and have been arrested are being set free to go home to live with their mothers.

If they want an investigation, fine, but only on two conditions: (1) before the investigation begins, every GOP member of Congress acknowledges that Joe Biden is president, and (2) if the investigation shows there was no significacant fraud in the 2020 general election, the state GOP state legislatures will rescend any and all laws for which "to stop election fraud" was put forth as the reason for their existence. Otherwise, STFU. We'll see you in court and at the election box, where we will wipe your asses from the face of the earth, once and for all.

wiggs

(7,814 posts)
29. This is the result of office-holders abusing the privileges of the office to spread lies. This is
Wed Mar 17, 2021, 04:05 PM
Mar 2021

not minor misbehavior but abuse of power.

aggiesal

(8,919 posts)
30. I would rather see an inquiry into Election Fraud more than anything else ...
Wed Mar 17, 2021, 04:18 PM
Mar 2021

Latest elections for McTurtle and Lindsey Graham come to mind.

barbtries

(28,799 posts)
33. give me a fucking break.
Wed Mar 17, 2021, 05:14 PM
Mar 2021

just, give me a fucking break. 61 court cases! 50 states certified! fuck you people, fuck you

flibbitygiblets

(7,220 posts)
35. "most Americans" (meaning MAGATs) wouldn't believe the truthful results of such an inquiry
Wed Mar 17, 2021, 05:26 PM
Mar 2021

there have already been multiple validations of the election results. There have already been multiple reports showing the Russians interfered, yet MAGATs don't believe that either. Why waste $ trying to educate the willingly ignorant?

They only believe what fits into the narrative they've willingly swallowed.

bucolic_frolic

(43,191 posts)
39. The insurrection is widely known, the voter fraud nonexistent
Wed Mar 17, 2021, 06:48 PM
Mar 2021

but go through the motions to convince them if you can.

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