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George II

(67,782 posts)
Sun May 16, 2021, 04:25 PM May 2021

Israel showed US 'smoking gun' on Hamas in AP office tower, officials say

Source: The Jerusalem Post

By LAHAV HARKOV MAY 16, 2021 19:34

Israel shared intelligence with the US showing how Hamas operated inside the same building with the Associated Press and Al-Jazeera in Gaza, officials in Jerusalem said on Sunday.

Officials in more than one government office confirmed that US President Joe Biden’s phone call to Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on Saturday was, in part, about the bombing of the building, and that Israel showed Biden and American officials the intelligence behind the action.

“We showed them the smoking gun proving Hamas worked out of that building,” a senior diplomatic source said. “I understand they found the explanation satisfactory.”

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu confirmed the source’s remark, when asked about The Jerusalem Post’s reporting in an interview with US TV show Face the Nation.

Read more: https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/israel-showed-us-smoking-gun-on-hamas-in-ap-office-tower-officials-say-668303

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Israel showed US 'smoking gun' on Hamas in AP office tower, officials say (Original Post) George II May 2021 OP
Works for me, hope insurers adjust APs rates if they choose to co-locate with Hamas in the future nt Devil Child May 2021 #1
As a rule of thumb, levp May 2021 #2
No, but if Israel says, "Check your own satellite footage Beakybird May 2021 #4
Was that in the article? Midnightwalk May 2021 #6
We don't know what was shared between intelligence agencies. Beakybird May 2021 #13
No doubt this was planned when Naziyahoo saw he was on his way out. nt Progressive Jones May 2021 #28
Yep. orangecrush May 2021 #29
You betcha! I believe everything I've ever read here on the internets! ;O) snark off abqtommy May 2021 #3
I have no idea if this is true or not ripcord May 2021 #5
I think they are saying they were in the same building. Not that they shared actual JI7 May 2021 #12
"Some people say..." 5X May 2021 #7
That's the same as saying "rumor". AngryOldDem May 2021 #9
Assuming Hamas were there, you don't necessarily have to blow up the building. kysrsoze May 2021 #8
They should shoot Hamas in the leg. TheProle May 2021 #33
I would expect Biden to say nothing Midnightwalk May 2021 #10
Bring down that tower was not a military necessity Chainfire May 2021 #11
A+ ForgoTheConsequence May 2021 #16
Did our enemies warn us and give us time to evacuate the building? Jose Garcia May 2021 #32
It was a message; we can do it to you any time we wish. It is called terrorism. Chainfire May 2021 #40
"It is called terrorism." EX500rider May 2021 #42
Sort of like the atomic bombs Steelrolled May 2021 #39
And most here who asked for proof will deny this as well oldsoftie May 2021 #14
Exactly. I'm sure there is US intelligence corroboration of Biden was told.... George II May 2021 #18
Israel could lay out all the evidence from A to Z, and people would still refuse to believe it. Jedi Guy May 2021 #19
Hey if you can't trust terrorists groups, who can you trust, right?? lol nt EX500rider May 2021 #20
Exactly! Why, I can't even imagine a scenario in which Hamas would lie. N/T Jedi Guy May 2021 #21
Except that time their lips were moving....lol nt EX500rider May 2021 #22
Jpost is a right wing rag. ForgoTheConsequence May 2021 #15
Not a "right wing rag". Even your own OP ED (NOT an editorial from the publication).... George II May 2021 #17
It certainly is. ForgoTheConsequence May 2021 #26
Predictable silence. ForgoTheConsequence May 2021 #35
Shoot the messenger! oldsoftie May 2021 #24
Isn't that what Israel did when they bombed the AP? ForgoTheConsequence May 2021 #27
No, they destroyed an empty BUILDING. oldsoftie May 2021 #31
Blinken says yet to see evidence on strike on Gaza tower housing AP, Al Jazeera ForgoTheConsequence May 2021 #34
Read the whole article oldsoftie May 2021 #36
Blinken now says we recieved info from Israel oldsoftie May 2021 #38
It wouldn't be surprising that Hamas would operate from the same building as AP. jg10003 May 2021 #23
That's what they do. Then when civilians are killed everyone claims "genocide". George II May 2021 #25
I really don't think Hamas uses innocent people as human shields. Steelrolled May 2021 #41
"it is more that Hamas has no regard for the lives of their fellow citizen" EX500rider May 2021 #43
I don't care who did what first when it comes to a long running war like Israel/Palestine AZProgressive May 2021 #48
it doesn't deter Israel but it does make a serious PR problem. jg10003 May 2021 #45
They're telling the world what's going on? orangecrush May 2021 #30
Fine by me Tarc May 2021 #37
When it comes to the democracy or the terrorist group I know who I support. quack. nt EX500rider May 2021 #44
I support the AP over both governments AZProgressive May 2021 #47
This doesn't change anything for me AZProgressive May 2021 #46

Beakybird

(3,333 posts)
4. No, but if Israel says, "Check your own satellite footage
Sun May 16, 2021, 04:56 PM
May 2021

for these coordinates, on this date, at this time," and there are people entering the building with weapons... That's a possibility.
Evidently, the Biden administration was satisfied.

Midnightwalk

(3,131 posts)
6. Was that in the article?
Sun May 16, 2021, 06:05 PM
May 2021

I missed

“ Israel says, "Check your own satellite footage for these coordinates, on this date, at this time," and there are people entering the building with weapons...“

I did find Netanyahu said
“ “The intelligence we had is about an intelligence office for [Hamas] housed in that building that plots and organizes terrorist attacks on Israeli civilians. It is a perfectly legit target.”“

But can’t find your “quote” about entering the building with weapons”. Got a link?

Beakybird

(3,333 posts)
13. We don't know what was shared between intelligence agencies.
Sun May 16, 2021, 07:50 PM
May 2021

What I said is plausible speculation. There are numerous ways Israel might have convinced the Biden administration.
Nevertheless, it's pretty clear that Netenyahu is gaming this to stay in power. It will probably work. The evil fucker is very clever

ripcord

(5,372 posts)
5. I have no idea if this is true or not
Sun May 16, 2021, 05:16 PM
May 2021

But it is going to look really bad if the press has been sharing office space with Hamas.

JI7

(89,248 posts)
12. I think they are saying they were in the same building. Not that they shared actual
Sun May 16, 2021, 06:56 PM
May 2021

office space. So they wouldn't always know if they were there.

AngryOldDem

(14,061 posts)
9. That's the same as saying "rumor".
Reply to 5X (Reply #7)
Sun May 16, 2021, 06:39 PM
May 2021

Manufacturing or manupulating data isn’t exactly new to intelligence agencies.

This is the excuse Israel always uses.

kysrsoze

(6,019 posts)
8. Assuming Hamas were there, you don't necessarily have to blow up the building.
Sun May 16, 2021, 06:38 PM
May 2021

Last I checked, there were still many, many buildings where Hamas could hide. I guess the Israeli government should just blow up all of the buildings in Gaza. I'm sure that would fix the problem - at least from Bibi's perspective.

Honestly, I don't trust anything that corrupt shitbag, Netanyahu says.

Midnightwalk

(3,131 posts)
10. I would expect Biden to say nothing
Sun May 16, 2021, 06:45 PM
May 2021

Making statements about shared intelligence one way or the other while trying to help negotiations wouldn’t be very diplomatic.

“I understand they found the explanation satisfactory.”


Doesn’t really add anything.

Chainfire

(17,536 posts)
11. Bring down that tower was not a military necessity
Sun May 16, 2021, 06:51 PM
May 2021

It was a statement, meant to demonstrate how vulnerable the people are. When our enemies did it to us we called it terrorism.

ForgoTheConsequence

(4,868 posts)
16. A+
Sun May 16, 2021, 10:07 PM
May 2021

But when it happens to brown people on the other side of the world, it's ok. No doubt some of these supporters of bombing Gaza pretend to support civil rights and BLM in America.

EX500rider

(10,842 posts)
42. "It is called terrorism."
Tue May 18, 2021, 08:57 PM
May 2021

Firing masses of rockets across the border is terrorism.

Destroying a enemy HQ (after warning the people in the building) is know as warfare.

 

Steelrolled

(2,022 posts)
39. Sort of like the atomic bombs
Tue May 18, 2021, 08:34 PM
May 2021

Might not have been necessary, but the huge psychological impact probably hastened the end of the war.

oldsoftie

(12,533 posts)
14. And most here who asked for proof will deny this as well
Sun May 16, 2021, 08:30 PM
May 2021

If its a lie, I dont think the President would let it go

George II

(67,782 posts)
18. Exactly. I'm sure there is US intelligence corroboration of Biden was told....
Sun May 16, 2021, 10:22 PM
May 2021

He won't blindly believe what he's told by any other government.

Jedi Guy

(3,185 posts)
19. Israel could lay out all the evidence from A to Z, and people would still refuse to believe it.
Sun May 16, 2021, 10:54 PM
May 2021

It doesn't conform to their worldview, so obviously it's shenanigans on the part of Israel. You mean to tell me that the guys who hide behind women and children also hid behind journalists? That's just crazy talk!

ForgoTheConsequence

(4,868 posts)
15. Jpost is a right wing rag.
Sun May 16, 2021, 09:53 PM
May 2021

Pro-Trump garbage.


Despite Trump's behavior we Israelis must remember who had our back

https://www.jpost.com/opinion/despite-trumps-behavior-we-israelis-must-remember-who-had-our-back-655686


And OP had the nerve to call out someone for posting a Guardian link.

George II

(67,782 posts)
17. Not a "right wing rag". Even your own OP ED (NOT an editorial from the publication)....
Sun May 16, 2021, 10:20 PM
May 2021

...notes "DESPITE trump's behavior"!

Apparently President Biden and his administration were satisfied with what he was told, he is certainly not "right wing".

What are you trying to say here?

ForgoTheConsequence

(4,868 posts)
26. It certainly is.
Mon May 17, 2021, 08:35 AM
May 2021

It's been right-wing for well over two decades. Yaakov Katz is a far-right clown.

What am I trying to say? I already said it. The comprehension problem is on your end.


oldsoftie

(12,533 posts)
31. No, they destroyed an empty BUILDING.
Mon May 17, 2021, 11:15 AM
May 2021

Everyone, even the terrorists, was given an hour to get out.

Proof provided to our government. Wasnt even needed, but sure was nice of them to provide it.

oldsoftie

(12,533 posts)
36. Read the whole article
Mon May 17, 2021, 07:33 PM
May 2021

He also said he would “leave it to others to characterize if any information has been shared and our assessment (of) that information,"

Pres Biden has not disputed that the topic was covered in their phone call; which Blinken was not on.

oldsoftie

(12,533 posts)
38. Blinken now says we recieved info from Israel
Tue May 18, 2021, 06:19 PM
May 2021

“We did seek further information from Israel on this question. It’s my understanding that we’ve received some further information through intelligence channels, and that’s not something that I can comment on,”

jg10003

(976 posts)
23. It wouldn't be surprising that Hamas would operate from the same building as AP.
Mon May 17, 2021, 01:03 AM
May 2021

It would fit in with their use of human shields.

 

Steelrolled

(2,022 posts)
41. I really don't think Hamas uses innocent people as human shields.
Tue May 18, 2021, 08:39 PM
May 2021

We've seen it doesn't seem to deter Israel at all. I think it is more that Hamas has no regard for the lives of their fellow citizens, when choosing where they work, launch rockets, etc.

EX500rider

(10,842 posts)
43. "it is more that Hamas has no regard for the lives of their fellow citizen"
Tue May 18, 2021, 09:00 PM
May 2021

True but more dead Gazans is a PR bonus for them, their fans can cry "War Crime!" while ignoring the actual war crime of indiscriminate rockets fired at civilians in Israel.

AZProgressive

(29,322 posts)
48. I don't care who did what first when it comes to a long running war like Israel/Palestine
Wed May 19, 2021, 07:59 AM
May 2021

Israel discrimates against Ethiopian Jews so people can bring up Hamas all they want but it doesn't work on me. BTW who here is a fan of Hamas? That is like a MTG argument.

Tarc

(10,476 posts)
37. Fine by me
Mon May 17, 2021, 11:24 PM
May 2021

I am one of the rare DU ducks that supports Israel, though Netanyahu is a deplorable scumbag.

Quackity-quack.

AZProgressive

(29,322 posts)
46. This doesn't change anything for me
Wed May 19, 2021, 07:44 AM
May 2021

How do you get an office building in Gaza and who do you have to get from?

Bombing the press is never OK and the reason why they do this is because of information warfare reasons.

It is why Bush bombed Al Jazeera and wanted to bomb them again but Tony Blair talked him out of it.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Jazeera_bombing_memo

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