Justice Department unveils two anti-gun violence proposals after another violent weekend

[DonViejo]

Source: CNN



By Christina Carrega

Updated 12:51 PM ET, Mon June 7, 2021

(CNN) - Attorney General Merrick Garland unveiled Monday two proposals meant to help curb gun violence, an announcement that comes after another violent weekend.

The Justice Department proposed to clarify the restrictions on stabilizing braces that transform a pistol into a short-barreled rifle and can "cause great damage and are more likely to be used to commit crimes."

The makeshift short-barreled rifles were used in two mass shootings in Boulder, Colorado, and in Dayton, Ohio, a Justice Department official told CNN on Monday.

"These requirements are important public safety measures because they regulate the transfer of these dangerous weapons and help ensure they do not end up in wrong hands. The proposed rule would clarify when these attached accessories convert pistols into weapons covered by these heightened regulations," the Justice Department said.


Read more: https://www.cnn.com/2021/06/07/politics/justice-department-guns/index.html

[abqtommy]

1. Whatever helps us along is good.

[yagotme]

2. So, making them illegal/harder to get is going to restrict criminal usage.

I think we've been down this road before, with other types of bans/"prohibitions".

[Rebl2]

3. Nope.

Won’t help at all. Jennie is already out of the bottle and there’s no putting it back. Should have done something in the late 70’s or early 80’s-it’s to late now.

[Elessar Zappa]

5. Gun violence is actually less

now than it was in the 70s and 80s (except for mass shootings, which is a huge problem).

[Hugh_Lebowski]

6. So I take it you don't support background checks or any other gun purchase restrictions?

The same principles apply to gun accessories as they would to guns themselves.

Many if not most mass shooters aren't hard-core criminals (with the implied access to black market merchandise that entails).

[yagotme]

9. Who are the most likely to go through a background check?

The law abiding. Criminals rarely attempt the system, getting their guns on the black market or by theft. So, making it harder for the law abiding to buy a gun, you're stopping crime, how??? Background checks are done NOW, on new guns, and in many localities, used guns. I already own several guns, so if I want to buy several more, at one time, (say, at an auction, for example), how would it help the crime statistics if I was to be restricted in the number, type, caliber, or whatever rule you think may be necessary to be instilled? I'm nearly 60, and NONE of my firearms have killed anyone while in my possession. It's not the tool, it's the wielder. Commit a serious crime, go to jail for a long time. That's how you reduce crime. It's only a certain percentage of the population that commits crimes, and if they're no longer active in society, then the crime rate will drop. Some don't like to hear that, but numbers are numbers. Get rid of/destroy all guns, you will still have murders/rapes/assaults committed. Violent people are violent, and will find a way.

[Hugh_Lebowski]

12. You think I haven't read this exact argument 100 times?

Not everyone who would commit an act of gun violence is necessarily tied into the criminal underworld and knows where to get their hands on a hot gun, nor are they necessarily the sort that's going to break into houses and steal guns.

What about the guy with a restraining order who otherwise doesn't have a criminal past, but maybe who's guns were taken because of threats to his wife? Background check could find the restraining order and prevent him from buying a new one.

Law abiding people can still get their guns if they pass the check, and the whole 'everyone else is a criminal who would buy a hot gun or rob one from a house' argument is bullshit.

Also, committing violence is way easier with guns. Many people who might have the courage to shoot someone do not ALSO have the balls to stab them or beat them to death.

Just because you can't stop ALL violence using them ... doesn't mean there's NO value to background checks.

[Politicub]

11. Yes. It absolutely will.

[Lonestarblue]

4. At this stage, gun regulation is pretty much useless.

The country is awash in guns, and anyone—including those with mental issues—can easily acquire one. Two issues I wish we could get to the public’s attention is how Republican policies have actually helped to fuel the migrant crisis. The first is the War on Drugs that Nixon started to lock up black voters. Fifty years and billions of dollars later, we have more drug use and that policy has made Mexican (and Chinese) drug cartels extremely wealthy and violent in protecting their territory, and thus sending millions of innocent people fleeing across the border.

In more recent years, it has been US lax gun laws that have made it easy to acquire and smuggle guns to Central American gangs who use them to threaten and murder people, thus sending families fearing for their to our southern border. Natural disasters and climate warming also help push people out of their countries. The Republican resistance to doing anything about climate change, or addressing the issue with countries in our hemisphere, also contributes. Effects have causes. We just never analyze them.

[OldBaldy1701E]

8. Analyzing them

Would bring to light so many things that we just do not want to face up to. Mainly, inequity and the overwhelming belief that a green piece of paper is worth more than a human being. (And, in our current socioeconomic situation, it is.) You know damn well we are not going to admit that money/greed has caused all this, because that would mean the American Dream(r) is both a lie and a danger. To get an American to admit they are wrong is like trying to use your arms to fly to the moon.

[NickB79]

7. It's common knowledge in the gun world that no one uses arm braces as braces

Where they're meant to strap to your forearm and shoot one-handed. Everyone shoulders them like a stock, while keeping the short barrels, making a really compact gun.

I can't say I can blame them though. I've been fighting the urge to build a .22 Ruger Charger braced pistol as a squirrel and rabbit gun. It would weigh almost nothing but handle like a rifle in the woods. But I'm not, because it's just a matter of time before they're outlawed.

I'd say it's long past time to regulate braces like short-barreled rifles and suppressors, ie you need a tax stamp.

[YMB]

10. Braces are even a thing because of how stupid the laws

are in regards to SBS' and SBR's. Even the ATF thinks they are largely bullshit (i have personally called them over a few things over the years) and are rarely enforced regarding braces. Its only when enough complained that they decided to shrug and "do something".

Because a few showed up in bad situations while there being millions out there isnt going to solve anything. Especially when you can go to any sporting goods store in America and buy a REAL AR15 stock for $25 and put it on your "pistol" anyway in literally 2 seconds. I doubt someone whos about to shoot up a school or their work place is going to care all that much.