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riversedge

(70,351 posts)
Sat Jul 17, 2021, 02:24 AM Jul 2021

Gallup: Only 45% Of Republicans Believe In Science

Source: Crooks and Liars





7/16/21 2:52pm

Anti-reality has captured Republicans




In the latest Gallup poll survey, confidence has dropped in science from 70% overall to 64%.

But what has affected the six-percentage point drop the most has been the anti-intellectual, conspiracy theory-driven Republicans.

This has been coming since 1980, when the religious right was brought into the fold of the GOP, at first by Ralph Reed, the Young Republicans, and the Televangelist movement under Reagan.

It continued to grow and grow, and during George W. Bush years, the Terry Schiavo faux scandal blew up on right-wing media and was led by evangelicals and Randall Terry pro-life wackadoos who claimed Schiavo was alive and well when she was actually in a vegetative state.
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Read more: https://crooksandliars.com/2021/07/gallup-only-45-republicans-believe-science






shocking, but not surprising.



A woman holding anti-COVID-19 vaccination sign displays it while listening to speakers during a protest on state capitol grounds on April 14, 2021 in Frankfort, Kentucky. Image from: Jon Cherry/Getty Images



@NumbersMuncher

Gallup: Confidence in science has dropped since 1975, with just 45% of Republicans having confidence in science compared to 72% in 1975.

It's easy to see why so many Republicans believe in conspiracy theories when they don't trust basic science that has been proven by evidence.



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Gallup: Only 45% Of Republicans Believe In Science (Original Post) riversedge Jul 2021 OP
They don't know the difference between believing something because you just choose everyonematters Jul 2021 #1
You can't fix stupid. AZ8theist Jul 2021 #2
My outspoken husband looked at the woman holding the bright pink sign. Ziggysmom Jul 2021 #3
very much so ! now it's totally on the un-vax'd !! republican's live with the death rate ! monkeyman1 Jul 2021 #4
Give him a big hug. twodogsbarking Jul 2021 #24
"Terry Schiavo faux scandal blew up on right-wing media" BumRushDaShow Jul 2021 #5
"The good thing about science is that it's true, whether or not you believe in it." LastLiberal in PalmSprings Jul 2021 #6
That's a great quote not fooled Jul 2021 #31
THIS! Though I wouldn't say "belief" comes into it at all csziggy Jul 2021 #32
my body my choice stolen from us bucolic_frolic Jul 2021 #7
Yes, it would be interesting to know whether the lady with the sign... Borderer Jul 2021 #39
Wow! Both (I) and (R) are getting stupider. NurseJackie Jul 2021 #8
This graph proves that Dems are 34% more likely to tell the truth FakeNoose Jul 2021 #44
Something Seems Amiss On That Chart ProfessorGAC Jul 2021 #48
They don't believe in math either Walleye Jul 2021 #9
strong link to religion Apollo Zeus Jul 2021 #10
That was my first thought.... paleotn Jul 2021 #20
I say we push them off the edge of the earth. Vinca Jul 2021 #11
Neil DeGrass Tyson said something along the lines of logosoco Jul 2021 #12
Old white man in sky take care of us. twodogsbarking Jul 2021 #13
Only 3% of people believe Gallup polls, twodogsbarking Jul 2021 #14
See My Post #48 ProfessorGAC Jul 2021 #49
And then they complain they're outnumbered on college campuses. sinkingfeeling Jul 2021 #15
I love the idea that you can choose whether or not to "believe in" science. mwb970 Jul 2021 #16
You stated what I have been thinking. twodogsbarking Jul 2021 #23
They need to be banned from making any decisions that involved laws or regulations. LiberalFighter Jul 2021 #17
Look how readily they accept technology "welfare". BadgerKid Jul 2021 #18
And yet these people would be first in line to get treatment for cancer or a heart attack. Lonestarblue Jul 2021 #19
Yes Rebl2 Jul 2021 #34
Reality verses fantasy. paleotn Jul 2021 #21
Lazy polling questions like this - and the resulting lazy headlines - do great damage to all of us LearnedHand Jul 2021 #22
Calm down. It's a poll. They've asked "do you have confidence in" various "institutions" for years muriel_volestrangler Jul 2021 #25
Science and technology are different things, you know. malthaussen Jul 2021 #30
This, 100% this. Calista241 Jul 2021 #36
Gallup is a repuke organization, they don't care about critical thinking or intellectual questions traitorsgalore Jul 2021 #40
There's a lot of stupid assholes out there Mysterian Jul 2021 #26
Ah, the party of STUPID, driven by a STUPID corporate media that cares more PatrickforB Jul 2021 #27
Homeschooling has been one of the reasons for the decline kimbutgar Jul 2021 #28
The poll question was not about "belief," it was about "confidence." malthaussen Jul 2021 #29
conspiracy theories are the sociology of fascism DBoon Jul 2021 #33
Honestly, I'm surprised it's that high. Elessar Zappa Jul 2021 #35
How does someone believe in science? It's not something you believe in. ffr Jul 2021 #37
Comedian Michelle Wolf: "In high school, if you didn't believe in science it was called failing" traitorsgalore Jul 2021 #38
Is this a partial opinion piece? Polybius Jul 2021 #41
If asked, those with less confidence in science would likely state their beliefs are literally facts andym Jul 2021 #42
100% of Science doesn't care what Republicans believe. Aristus Jul 2021 #43
Proving Once Again that the Movie "Idiocracy" Deserves an Oscar for Lifetime Achievement Stallion Jul 2021 #45
Science says there is a force of gravity. If they want to test that out raccoon Jul 2021 #46
Scopes Monkey Trials Forever! Kid Berwyn Jul 2021 #47
K&R ck4829 Jul 2021 #50
That number seems way too high. lagomorph777 Jul 2021 #51

everyonematters

(3,435 posts)
1. They don't know the difference between believing something because you just choose
Sat Jul 17, 2021, 02:45 AM
Jul 2021

to believe it and believing something thru logical thinking.

Ziggysmom

(3,426 posts)
3. My outspoken husband looked at the woman holding the bright pink sign.
Sat Jul 17, 2021, 04:10 AM
Jul 2021

He said the only poke she’ll ever get is from a vaccination.

Apologizing in advance for offending anyone. It’s a serious problem, these morons.

twodogsbarking

(9,844 posts)
24. Give him a big hug.
Sat Jul 17, 2021, 09:46 AM
Jul 2021

There are never enough hugs.

Or as Lenny Bruce said "There are never enough I love you's."

BumRushDaShow

(129,665 posts)
5. "Terry Schiavo faux scandal blew up on right-wing media"
Sat Jul 17, 2021, 05:41 AM
Jul 2021

This was Frothy Rick Santorum's finest moment, where he flew down to Florida to insert himself into what had become a fiasco, eventually resulting in a 17% re-election loss of his Senate seat here in PA, and leading to the ascension of current Senator Bob Casey, Jr.

6. "The good thing about science is that it's true, whether or not you believe in it."
Sat Jul 17, 2021, 05:58 AM
Jul 2021

-- Neil Degrasse Tyson

I wonder if the lady borrowed her pink sign from a pro-choice friend. I've heard similar sentiments expressed by so-called pro-life Repugs without a touch of irony.

Come to think of it, I wonder whether she even has any pro-choice friends.

not fooled

(5,803 posts)
31. That's a great quote
Sat Jul 17, 2021, 11:16 AM
Jul 2021

although it's sad we need it.

So many willful idiots.

And how convenient that as belief in science declines, corporate polluters get less pushback. It's almost as though that's an intended outcome.

csziggy

(34,139 posts)
32. THIS! Though I wouldn't say "belief" comes into it at all
Sat Jul 17, 2021, 11:18 AM
Jul 2021

I do "believe" in the use of the scientific method - observation, testing, and verification. But blind belief in the system is not there.

Borderer

(51 posts)
39. Yes, it would be interesting to know whether the lady with the sign...
Sat Jul 17, 2021, 12:40 PM
Jul 2021

...is also pro-choice when it comes to reproductive rights. Perhaps she is, but many of the anti-vaxers seem to be the same right wing morons who are normally very keen to pass laws restricting other peoples' choices. I doubt if they are bright enough to see the irony.

ProfessorGAC

(65,248 posts)
48. Something Seems Amiss On That Chart
Sun Jul 18, 2021, 02:45 PM
Jul 2021

21% of DEMOCRATS don't trust science. That number seems amazingly high.
And, in 1975 it was 33%.
This whole poll seems specious.

paleotn

(17,989 posts)
20. That was my first thought....
Sat Jul 17, 2021, 09:01 AM
Jul 2021

Use to be religious types swung both ways, dependent on other factors like geography, economic status etc. Prior to Reagan, even the most ardent evangelical southerner was likely a Democrat and the most secular New Englander a Republican. Today, if someone is an evangelical or fundamentalist protestant or catholic, no matter where they are, it's nearly guaranteed they're a Republican. Part of the great reshuffle of American politics in the last 40 years.

logosoco

(3,208 posts)
12. Neil DeGrass Tyson said something along the lines of
Sat Jul 17, 2021, 07:55 AM
Jul 2021

Science is true whether or not you believe in it.

He also said something like the universe is under no obligation to make sense to you, and I guess that is the one i need to remember when i read stories like this! Because it does not make sense to me at all!

mwb970

(11,367 posts)
16. I love the idea that you can choose whether or not to "believe in" science.
Sat Jul 17, 2021, 08:11 AM
Jul 2021

This treats science like a religion. Who would do that?

You can decide not to believe in Zoroastrianism. You cannot decide not to "believe in" gravity.

Lonestarblue

(10,106 posts)
19. And yet these people would be first in line to get treatment for cancer or a heart attack.
Sat Jul 17, 2021, 08:30 AM
Jul 2021

Or any other illness. Why do they think we have treatment for cancer anyway? No science involved—it just magically appeared! I suspect that they do believe in some science, but the first thought that pops into evangelical brains is that science equals evolution and therefore they don’t believe in it.

LearnedHand

(3,394 posts)
22. Lazy polling questions like this - and the resulting lazy headlines - do great damage to all of us
Sat Jul 17, 2021, 09:27 AM
Jul 2021

Critical thinking 101. I’m not arguing there is no anti-intellectual problem, but for fuck’s sake, WHICH SCIENCE? Do the respondents have cell phones and work on computers? Do they drive cars and have electrical appliances? Do they fly in planes? Do they get annual checkups and X-rays? If so, they certainly forked over large money for “science.” Science is not a single monolithic thing. If we’re to understand the real implications of this sentiment, we need to understand exactly which science they don’t “believe” in (whatever TF that even means). And people who report on these polls do our country a huge disservice by not digging deeper into the poll results. Democracy by sensationalist headlines really sucks.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,390 posts)
25. Calm down. It's a poll. They've asked "do you have confidence in" various "institutions" for years
Sat Jul 17, 2021, 09:49 AM
Jul 2021

but they hadn't included "science" for decades - maybe because it used to have a high rating, and hadn't seemed a political football, unlike things like "the police". Now they added it back into the list, and found it had plummeted in Republicans (and fallen a bit in independents).

No, asking the question, or reporting the poll results, do not "do great damage to all of us". It points to something that deserves greater study - such as whether it is specific sciences, or just a general "Science Is Bad" feeling they've cultivated. If you attack the first person to say "it looks like there's a problem", then you'll never fix the problem.

And this is not, of course, "democracy". No one ever said an opinion poll is "democracy".

malthaussen

(17,217 posts)
30. Science and technology are different things, you know.
Sat Jul 17, 2021, 10:54 AM
Jul 2021

Although quite a lot of modern technology is based on some sort of science or other.

-- Mal

Calista241

(5,586 posts)
36. This, 100% this.
Sat Jul 17, 2021, 11:54 AM
Jul 2021

My fundie parents, who used to send me Trump shit daily, quarantined pretty religiously and were vaccinated early on. To this question they would have answered yes, but if the question was "do you think science has been politicized?" they would have also answered yes.

traitorsgalore

(1,396 posts)
40. Gallup is a repuke organization, they don't care about critical thinking or intellectual questions
Sat Jul 17, 2021, 12:44 PM
Jul 2021

I'm sure 1/2 of their repuke respondents couldn't identify 1 single area of scientific study.

PatrickforB

(14,595 posts)
27. Ah, the party of STUPID, driven by a STUPID corporate media that cares more
Sat Jul 17, 2021, 10:31 AM
Jul 2021

for ratings and profits than the republic, and a STUPID bunch of social media. And let's not forget REALITY TV, which definately caters to the lowest common denominator.

malthaussen

(17,217 posts)
29. The poll question was not about "belief," it was about "confidence."
Sat Jul 17, 2021, 10:52 AM
Jul 2021

The headline writer apparently sees no difference in the two.

-- Mal

DBoon

(22,403 posts)
33. conspiracy theories are the sociology of fascism
Sat Jul 17, 2021, 11:19 AM
Jul 2021

Imagined conspiracies call for an all powerful leader to crush the supposed conspiracy. The conspiracy cannot be proven false by definition, since any contrary evidence is just proof of a deeper conspiracy.

ffr

(22,674 posts)
37. How does someone believe in science? It's not something you believe in.
Sat Jul 17, 2021, 12:16 PM
Jul 2021

Its not like evidentiary fact is debatable, like are religions and the belief that supernatural and natural worlds commingle, when by definition they cannot.

I don't believe in science either. But I trust scientific methods and results. It's what I base my whole world view upon and how I'm able to live my life in a consistent manner with nature and technology.

traitorsgalore

(1,396 posts)
38. Comedian Michelle Wolf: "In high school, if you didn't believe in science it was called failing"
Sat Jul 17, 2021, 12:38 PM
Jul 2021

So using that logic, 55% of today R/Nazi party wouldn't make it through high school. What a culture, Rs worship stupidity and hatred of everything that benefits mankind.

Polybius

(15,510 posts)
41. Is this a partial opinion piece?
Sat Jul 17, 2021, 01:02 PM
Jul 2021

News stories usually refrain from calling people "pro-life wackadoos", even when true.

andym

(5,445 posts)
42. If asked, those with less confidence in science would likely state their beliefs are literally facts
Sat Jul 17, 2021, 01:44 PM
Jul 2021

to turn Daniel Patrick Moynihan's statement on its head:
"Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, just not his own facts."

Aristus

(66,478 posts)
43. 100% of Science doesn't care what Republicans believe.
Sat Jul 17, 2021, 01:56 PM
Jul 2021

My standard response to anyone who says they "believe in God, not science"; I would tell them to go to the top of a 100-storey building, jump off, pray all the way down, and see what happens when they get to the bottom.

raccoon

(31,128 posts)
46. Science says there is a force of gravity. If they want to test that out
Sun Jul 18, 2021, 06:27 AM
Jul 2021

Science says there is a force of gravity. If they want to test that out, They can jump off a high building and see how that works for them.

I just saw that Aristus beat me to the post.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
51. That number seems way too high.
Mon Jul 19, 2021, 12:06 PM
Jul 2021

Today's Reptilian Party demands so many literally insane and internally contradictory beliefs from their followers. I don't see how anybody could possibly believe in any kind of recognizable reality (especially science), and still call themselves Reptilians.

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