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BumRushDaShow

(129,096 posts)
Thu Sep 23, 2021, 12:12 PM Sep 2021

White House to tell U.S. agencies to prepare for first government shutdown of pandemic

Source: Washington Post

The White House budget office will tell federal agencies on Thursday to begin preparations for the first shutdown of the U.S. government since the pandemic began, as lawmakers on Capitol Hill struggle to reach a funding agreement. Administration officials stress the request is in line with traditional procedures seven days ahead of a shutdown and not a commentary on the likelihood of a congressional deal.

Both Democrats and Republicans have made clear they intend to fund the government before its funding expires on Sept. 30, but time is running out and lawmakers are aiming to resolve an enormous set of tasks to in a matter of weeks.House Democrats earlier this week approved a measure to fund the government, suspend the debt ceiling, and approve emergency aid such as disaster relief. But that plan is expected to die in the Senate amid GOP refusal to support Democratic attempts to lift the debt ceiling.

With the first of two major deadlines looming next week, Democrats publicly maintained the current course, pledging to put the House-backed bill before the Senate that would fund the government into December and allow the country to borrow freely throughout most of 2022. “Every single member of this chamber is going to go on record as to whether they support keeping the government open and averting a default, or support shutting us down and careening our country toward a first-ever default,” Senate Majority Leader Charles E. Schumer (D-N.Y.) said to open debate on the chamber floor.

Privately, though, Democrats also began to acknowledge they are unlikely to prevail in the face of a GOP blockade. Democrats have started discussing the mechanics of how to sidestep Republicans as soon as next week, according to lawmakers and aides, as they maintain they will not allow the government to shut down in a pandemic or the country to default for the first time in history. “We’re looking at all the options, but a government shutdown is not acceptable,” said Sen. Chris Van Hollen (D-Va.), a member of the chamber’s budget committee.

Read more: https://www.washingtonpost.com/us-policy/2021/09/23/shutdown-congress-budget-debt-ceiling/

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White House to tell U.S. agencies to prepare for first government shutdown of pandemic (Original Post) BumRushDaShow Sep 2021 OP
Pelosi Says No Shutdown Coming; Funding Bill to Pass in Time FBaggins Sep 2021 #1
An issue might be whether the Senate is willing to pass any C.R. BumRushDaShow Sep 2021 #2
Decoupling the two doesn't fix the problem, but buys some time FBaggins Sep 2021 #3
Well it will fix the nightmare of a shutdown BumRushDaShow Sep 2021 #4
Sure... but I think the hope was to USE the shutdown FBaggins Sep 2021 #5
The GOP does this every time for pure spite BumRushDaShow Sep 2021 #7
This is insane. LudwigPastorius Sep 2021 #6
"the country to default for the first time in history." - this would not be the first time PoliticAverse Sep 2021 #8

FBaggins

(26,748 posts)
1. Pelosi Says No Shutdown Coming; Funding Bill to Pass in Time
Thu Sep 23, 2021, 12:17 PM
Sep 2021
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi signaled that Democrats are open to stripping a stopgap spending bill from a debt-limit suspension in face of Republican opposition to the linkage.

“Whatever it is, we will have a CR that passes both houses by September 30,” Pelosi said at a press briefing Thursday, referring to the so-called continuing resolution bill that will be needed to fund the federal government at the start of the new fiscal year on Oct. 31.

Pelosi said that the conversation on the debt limit will continue.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-09-23/pelosi-says-no-shutdown-coming-funding-bill-to-pass-in-time

BumRushDaShow

(129,096 posts)
2. An issue might be whether the Senate is willing to pass any C.R.
Thu Sep 23, 2021, 12:41 PM
Sep 2021

regardless of any debt limit raise, just to be asses. With a clean C.R., and all Democrats holding, something like that can pass.

At some point about a week or so ago, I had seen a report that Yellen estimated that they had a little wiggle room to get into October with the oft-mentioned "extraordinary measures".

FBaggins

(26,748 posts)
3. Decoupling the two doesn't fix the problem, but buys some time
Thu Sep 23, 2021, 01:12 PM
Sep 2021

The debt increase may well have to go through reconciliation and there isn’t time for that before the fiscal year ends… but there probably IS time before we would hit the debt ceiling.

It might coincidentally give Pelosi a little time to extend the infrastructure vote

BumRushDaShow

(129,096 posts)
4. Well it will fix the nightmare of a shutdown
Thu Sep 23, 2021, 01:27 PM
Sep 2021

where the media starts finger pointing at idiotic stuff like the "National Parks being closed".

However as a note - the "infrastructure" (spending) reconciliation CANNOT be enacted this FY. Even if it passes this FY, reconciliation for FY2021 budgeting was already done using the "American Rescue Plan" reconciliation piece. It will have to wait until after September 30 and be effective for FY2022.

A debt ceiling or a revenue type reconciliation can still be done this FY.

FBaggins

(26,748 posts)
5. Sure... but I think the hope was to USE the shutdown
Thu Sep 23, 2021, 01:36 PM
Sep 2021

to pressure Republicans to support lifting the debt ceiling.

However as a note

You’re correct. But I wasn’t saying that they needed to delay for reconciliation because they had to wait until next FY. I was saying that a new reconciliation can’t get through the process in that little time. So even if we agreed to do it that way, the government would shut down until we finished (which would make us look bad)

BumRushDaShow

(129,096 posts)
7. The GOP does this every time for pure spite
Thu Sep 23, 2021, 02:07 PM
Sep 2021

They know who "cares" about governing so know their debt ceiling increases will be "bipartisan" and not become hostage-taking exercises. But they refuse to be "adults" when it comes to when Democrats are in charge.

The last debt ceiling increase had happened under TFG without grandstanding - both in 2017 through to 2018 and again in 2019 through to last month (this year of 2021) - https://www.cbsnews.com/news/debt-ceiling-suspension-expires/

And I know there is "pressuring" and "squeezing" (mainly internal to Democrats) regarding the "infrastructure bill + the reconciliation bill being inseparable, but they all know about the limits of the reconciliation piece at this point and the FY timing for even being able to use that tool (again due to it already having been used back in March).

I think the strategy was to avoid what would probably happen if the standalone infrastructure was passed and signed right now - i.e., the other piece (reconciliation) would then be deemed "unnecessary" and pretty much torpedoed by those opposing it. The Biden Administration and Congressional Democrats were trying to tie the two together by calling the reconciliation piece "Human 'infrastructure'" legislation.

I get what they were trying to do but it was a bit of a Hail Mary given our narrow margins in Congress at the moment.

LudwigPastorius

(9,155 posts)
6. This is insane.
Thu Sep 23, 2021, 01:37 PM
Sep 2021

...shutting down the federal government during a pandemic that's killing over two thousand people a day.

Eat shit, Mitch McConnell, you evil, greedy, pigfucker.

PoliticAverse

(26,366 posts)
8. "the country to default for the first time in history." - this would not be the first time
Thu Sep 23, 2021, 02:44 PM
Sep 2021

the US defaulted. The US has defaulted several times, most recently in 1979...

See:
When Did The U.S. Last Default On Treasury Bonds?
https://www.npr.org/2011/07/11/137773341/looking-at-when-the-u-s-last-defaulted-on-treasury-bonds )


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