Warnings: Monster storm may take Great Lakes wave heights to 33 feet
Source: Detroit News
October 28, 2012 at 11:22 pm
Warnings: Monster storm may take Great Lakes wave heights to 33 feet
By Detroit News Staff and wire reports
After Hurricane Sandy makes its way up the Atlantic on a collision course with two other weather systems that could turn it into one of the most fearsome storms on record in the United States, the Great Lakes are expected to feel the effects of the monster storm.
The National Weather Service predicts the outskirts storm now barreling up the Eastern Seaboard to push into the region, bringing rain through Wednesday.
A gale warning has been issued for Lake Huron from 4 a.m. to 8 p.m. Monday, with waves expected to reach a maximum of 17 to 24 feet. The NWS in Chicago on Sunday issued a gale warning for Lake Michigan, predicting waves as high as 33 feet by Tuesday. Vessels are advised to seek safe harbor.
"As that storm moves inland, then we'll have the stronger rain bands come over on Tuesday and Wednesday affecting our area and also picking up the winds," said Debra Elliott, an observation program leader with the NWS station in White Lake Township.
Read more: http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20121028/METRO/210280364#ixzz2AegRtzcQ
Just incredible!
jsr
(7,712 posts)Boy-wolf story should be required understanding for all weather-presenters.
Mere drizzle, occasional light breezes, temperature about 60, does not make much a storm. It can be helpful to forecasters to actually walk outside on the porch, sense the air, look up in the sky, and observe.
Hype is a bad thing.
GliderGuider
(21,088 posts)That clueless idiots can get people killed?
KurtNYC
(14,549 posts)Uncle Joe
(58,364 posts)AAO
(3,300 posts)I am absolutely kidding about that. I so hope this is a complete dud, unfortunately it looks like it could be the real deal this time.
My thoughts go out to everyone that is touched by this storm.
magical thyme
(14,881 posts)and I don't know where you are, but here in midcoast Maine, very, very much on the outskirts, it's already windy with light, horizontal rain.
And we've already had an ASAH member have a tree fall through her house last night.
Stay safe, whoever you are.
Roland99
(53,342 posts)got it?
louis-t
(23,295 posts)It's barely 40, winds about 35 mph. and it could get much worse in the next few days, Pollyanna.
Ikonoklast
(23,973 posts)You can walk outside and look at the sky and tell that the barometric pressure 100 miles away is dropping like a rock?
No, no you can't.
GliderGuider
(21,088 posts)Over 50 deaths, 9 foot storm surges, 4 feet of water in the NY subways, over 8 million households without power across 17 states, 2 feet of snow in WV, over 80 homes burned to the ground in Queens.
Some boy... Some wolf...
BVictor1
(229 posts)Last edited Mon Oct 29, 2012, 12:38 AM - Edit history (1)
Sustained winds are expected to be 35mph with gusts up to 60mph.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)Not that big a deal, just power fluttering. Is it getting cold there, with this other system coming in from the north or west? Not in the loop on midwest weather and how this is going to your area...
Festivito
(13,452 posts)Evasporque
(2,133 posts)There is a inward facing point on the breakwall that focuses and reflects large wave with the right combination you can get spectacular launches of tons of water....sometimes they engulf the entire breakwater lighthouse...(it is made of riveted steel...)
I'm from Southern California, and I don't think we ever have 20' waves.
mrdmk
(2,943 posts)Here is a picture 15' to 18' feet in Newport Beach, CA 'The Wedge'
This place does get bigger and very dangerous...
Want L A R G E R, of course
Here is a place that has some of the biggest waves in the world
Cortes Bank is a shallow seamount - a barely submerged island in the North Pacific Ocean. It is about 100 miles (166 kilometers) west of Point Loma San Diego, USA, and about 50 miles (82 kilometers) south-west of San Clemente Island. It is considered the outermost feature in California's Channel Islands chain. At various times during geologic history, the Bank has been an island - depending on sea level rise and fall. The last time it was a substantial island was around 10,000 years ago during the last ice age. It is quite possible that this island was visited by the first human inhabitants of the Channel Islands - most notably San Clemente Island, whose seafaring residents would have been able to see "Cortes Island" from high elevations on clear days.
In the early 1990s Larry Moore, photo editor at Surfing magazine, and Mike Castillo, veteran surfer and pilot, made flights out across the bank on rumors of giant waves - and during a monster swell in 1990 that has been dubbed "The Eddie Aikau Swell," they were astonished when they found empty waves breaking atop the bank in the 80 to 90 foot range. By 1995 Moore had seen and photographed waves and that year he led an expedition with a small group of surfers out there (including Surfing magazine editors Sam George and Bill Sharp) and pro surfer George Hulse. The team found relatively small but very glassy waves in the fifteen foot range, and George Hulse was the first to catch one. "It was the only time I wrote out a will before a surf trip," Sharp said of the mission.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cortes_Bank
In 1988, the Redondo Beach pier and Huntington Beach pier were victims of two storms. Waves were crashing on top of the piers. Both piers are over 25' high!
Never been surfing. But I've lived in HB and am now in the Southbay. I know PCH floods all the time in HB from storm surges.
I guess I was saying was that...Lake Michigan is a Lake and I was shocked that the waves would be so high. I wasn't too familiar with beach wave heights in my area.
Awesome photo, by the way.
dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)flowomo
(4,740 posts)n/t
Bozita
(26,955 posts)"The gales of November".....
well, I guess the gales of October would work also
rzemanfl
(29,565 posts)over and over. I still get earworm from it. Oh, shit! Not again!
Sherman A1
(38,958 posts)did you get by to see the water falls South of there?
rzemanfl
(29,565 posts)back in the '80s. It was very inexpensive.
DianaForRussFeingold
(2,552 posts)dipsydoodle
(42,239 posts)Last edited Mon Oct 29, 2012, 09:03 AM - Edit history (1)
Hurricane Sandy: 17 people rescued off HMS Bounty replica ship.
"The 17-person crew donned cold water survival suits and lifejackets before launching in two 25-man lifeboats with canopies," the Coast Guard said in a statement.
The tall ship was built for the 1962 movie "Mutiny on the Bounty" and lost power while at sea on Sunday night.
The Bounty was about 90 miles (145 km) southeast of Hatteras, North Carolina, or roughly 160 miles (260 km) from the centre of Sandy, a Category 1 hurricane bearing down on the U.S. East Coast, the Coast Guard said.
The three-masted, 180-foot (55-metre) vessel was believed to be taking on water and was without propulsion, stuck in 40 mile-per-hour (65 kph) winds and 18-foot (5.5-metre) seas, the Coast Guard said.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/9640282/Hurricane-Sandy-17-people-rescued-off-HMS-Bounty-replica-ship.html#
edit to add :
0858:
The replica HMS Bounty we reported on earlier has now sunk, according to CBC.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-20121635
WRH2
(87 posts)this should be interesting, I'll post photos
spiderpig
(10,419 posts)I'm from Cleveland and have endured 6 decades of jokes, although I moved out of state over 30 years ago. When I left, a friend gave me a t-shirt with the city skyline and the text "Cleveland - you've got to be tough".
llmart
(15,540 posts)Left in 1985 but I'll always be a Clevelander at heart.
spiderpig
(10,419 posts)Shoot, the last game I went to at old Cleveland Stadium had Brian Sipe as QB.
We won!
Froze our butts off, though. Lake effect.
llmart
(15,540 posts)Brian Sipe was a hearththrob
I remember seeing him at training camp and my heart was all aflutter!
I remember one game I went to at the old Memorial Stadium where we were in the very last row in the upper deck in the coldest weather ever. Everyone was passing flasks back and forth. I didn't even care who won. I just wanted to go home.
spiderpig
(10,419 posts)Pardon me for being graphic, but the hair in your nostrils would freeze. You could hear it crackling as you inhaled/exhaled.
One night it took me 3 hours to take the 25-minute bus ride from Public Square back to my house in Lakewood. I had to trudge through hip-deep snow up the road after getting off the bus.
Builds character, though.
llmart
(15,540 posts)my sister lives there.
Yep, it sure does build character. My son had a Cleveland Plain Dealer route and he still talks about how that built character. He took great pride in never missing a delivery no matter how cold or icy it was.
spiderpig
(10,419 posts)The Plain Dealer and The Press. I remember answering the door and paying our carriers the $1.25 a week, or whatever it was, and thinking how the heck did those kids get up so early?
When I went to high school, girls were required to wear skirts. If we had a box-pleat the counselors would slide a ruler in the pocket to make sure it wasn't (gasp!) culottes. Can you believe that insanity?
But then we were required to take Home Ec (cooking and sewing) so we could be good little wives.
People these days just can't believe how ridiculously restricted we were in those days. "Girls" went to college for one reason: to get a better calibre husband.
I have to go lie down now with a cold compress on my forehead.
llmart
(15,540 posts)Yep. I remember the Press too. Use to read the sports page with Chuck Heaton.
My son started his route when he was 10 and did it for 5 years. He got up at 5:00 AM every single day for 5 years. On Sundays it would take him two trips on his bike since the paper was so fat on Sundays.
I was one of the first girls in my senior class to be bold enough to wear levis to school. They were just starting to allow it (1967).
Oh, and I had a Beatles haircut too.
I was a bit of a rebel even back then.
There - I've given away my age
spiderpig
(10,419 posts)I used to go to a store called Red Robin on Detroit Avenue and buy Wranglers for $2.99. I'd wear them to Lakewood Rangers football games (that was OK by the Fashion Police).
Later, working for an ad agency on Public Square, one of my duties was keeping the bar stocked. It was so Mad Men! I still remember the shopping list: Johnny Walker Red, Wolfschmidt's Vodka, Tanqueray, Jack Daniels, Chivas, Canadian Club, Remy Martin. My boss taught me how to make a martini by swirling vermouth in the glass, dumping it out, and filling it with gin. I guess it worked 'cause he's still kicking at age 86.
I had to go to the State Store and cart out boxes of booze to the company Mercedes. Do we ever have tales to tell the younger generation!
llmart
(15,540 posts)My first job out of high school was as a "Girl Friday" (remember that term?) and one of my duties was to walk to the downtown area of the small town where the firm was located to buy donuts for the staff every morning. Of course, I walked in high heels too! About a mile. No wonder my feet hurt every day
And don't get me started on the sexual harassment we endured in a firm of three sleazy lawyers.
spiderpig
(10,419 posts)They'd approach you from behind, engulf you with both arms and pull out the center desk drawer on some stupid pretext, meanwhile copping a nice feel while they were at it.
Years later my much-younger coworker said "You've got to be kidding" and I told them I was dead serious. And you know what really stunk? My mother just shrugged and said "That's men". Her generation accepted it.
We are progressing. Not fast enough, but we're headed in the right direction.
llmart
(15,540 posts)but I did experience the one of dropping a pencil on the floor while you were standing next to their desk wearing a mini skirt. Then they'd look up your skirt.
AAO
(3,300 posts)Cooley Hurd
(26,877 posts)Per USCG Admiral on GMA.
This is the same ship built for the film Mutiny on the Bounty
dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)oh...wait....wrong movie......
hedgehog
(36,286 posts)New York-Boston metro corridor. That makes sense given the number of people involved. I'm sitting up here on the eastern shore of Lake Ontario, though, and I'm thinking we've got some really weird stuff coming our way. For example, right now, wind speeds are predicted to be higher today (Monday into Tuesday) while the storm is still off the coast than they are predicted to be Thursday when it passes overhead!
TrogL
(32,822 posts)If the dams are breached near the Robert Moses power plant on the US side, or the access to the tunnels near the town of Chippawa on the Canadian side (I used to live there), we could lose power across the entire east coast.
dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)I am, however, kinda smug because I know who Robert Moses was, so...... there is that.
Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)"The Godfather of Sprawl"
cbayer
(146,218 posts)Earth_First
(14,910 posts)It's INTENSE!
The breakers are probably in the 9-12 foot range and expected to increase over the next few hours before subsiding after daybreak.
The sand that is being whipped off the beachfront is like being in a sandblaster, it hurts badly.
The local state of emergency is forcing evacuations of 3500 lakefront properties which began at 8 p.m.
Of course this is all relative, however we generally don't see weather like this.
Be safe out there...