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swag

(26,487 posts)
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 06:53 PM Oct 2012

BUILDING FACADE COLLAPSES IN MANHATTAN AT 8TH AND 14TH STREET

Source: Business Insider

A building facade has collapsed at 8th Ave and 14th Street in Manhattan, according to FDNY and other sources.

No one is trapped inside, according to USEmergAlerts.

The front of the 92 8th Ave has fallen off, according to this picture from Meg Robertson on twitter:

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/major-building-collapse-in-manhattan-at-8th-and-14th-street-2012-10#ixzz2AjTAf3vg


Edit: Updated photo at the link. Looks like the facade came down: not a total collapse.




Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/major-building-collapse-in-manhattan-at-8th-and-14th-street-2012-10



Updated to reflect rapidly changing story. Thank goodness it's not as bad as first thought.
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BUILDING FACADE COLLAPSES IN MANHATTAN AT 8TH AND 14TH STREET (Original Post) swag Oct 2012 OP
I wonder if water washed away the foundation? truthisfreedom Oct 2012 #1
If that's true, then how many more buildings are at risk? AngryOldDem Oct 2012 #6
The facade pulled away. DollarBillHines Oct 2012 #11
Architect here. The answer is "no". NYC_SKP Oct 2012 #31
Interesting. I would have thought the facade was a bearing wall. Apparently not. It must have been Monk06 Oct 2012 #37
That building appears to be on a typical NYC 25' wide lot. NYC_SKP Oct 2012 #38
More Likely Wind Sucked Away the Facade freedom fighter jh Oct 2012 #35
I hope the people in those building are alright sakabatou Oct 2012 #2
Omigod. CaliforniaPeggy Oct 2012 #3
Controlled demolition no doubt! n/t dumbledork Oct 2012 #4
Here we go... jberryhill Oct 2012 #5
Picture of the damage? Purveyor Oct 2012 #7
I'm going to take a wild guess that water pooled up on the roof and the weight collapsed it slackmaster Oct 2012 #12
Wow, that's just on the block where I used to work frazzled Oct 2012 #8
There's a photo at the link Tuesday_Morning Oct 2012 #9
It's a building FACADE, still bad but not as bad as a whole building Happyhippychick Oct 2012 #10
Yes just confirmed it was facade (link) frazzled Oct 2012 #18
I was wondering how the buildings were going to do with the wind. southernyankeebelle Oct 2012 #13
That is wind nadinbrzezinski Oct 2012 #14
This message was self-deleted by its author Codeine Oct 2012 #32
Please edit your OP. The source has edited their headline. It's not a major building. yardwork Oct 2012 #15
Wow - how strange. DURHAM D Oct 2012 #16
Major? WilliamPitt Oct 2012 #17
Looks like the front facade broke loose...all those years, all that decomposition... HereSince1628 Oct 2012 #19
The building looks like it's still standing. the front came down, though. progressivebydesign Oct 2012 #20
The front fell off slackmaster Oct 2012 #28
I have seen this video before.... luv_mykatz Oct 2012 #39
This is terrible defacto7 Oct 2012 #21
They want clicks. redqueen Oct 2012 #29
OMG that headline scared the crap out of me! redqueen Oct 2012 #22
It looks like the facade broke away from the rest of the bldg. Beacool Oct 2012 #23
I'm glad it turned out to be just the facade and not the entire building slackmaster Oct 2012 #24
Post removed Post removed Oct 2012 #25
I posted the original headline as prescribed by the forum rules. swag Oct 2012 #27
Whoa cowboy!! the original link SAYS building collapse. It was wrong but reported that way. progressivebydesign Oct 2012 #30
This message was self-deleted by its author Poll_Blind Oct 2012 #26
NY1.com reports it was due to wind. (can't get link) - LiberalElite Oct 2012 #33
Yup nadinbrzezinski Oct 2012 #34
Oh come on people... JackRiddler Oct 2012 #36
Wow, extremely lucky no one got hurt davidpdx Oct 2012 #40

AngryOldDem

(14,061 posts)
6. If that's true, then how many more buildings are at risk?
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 06:58 PM
Oct 2012

Especially older ones?

Here's hoping everyone gets out okay.

I can't get my head around what's going on there right now.

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
31. Architect here. The answer is "no".
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 07:26 PM
Oct 2012

It appears that the brick facade simply peeled off from the rest of the building.

It's amazing that so many of the early tenement buildings still stand.

My apartment on Houston Street on the lower east side was 11 feet wide, one wall (the wall adjacent to the center stairwell) was fully three inches lower than the other exterior masonry wall, due to shrinkage of the wood internal structure.

Anything on the floor rolled or flowed to that side of the apartment.

Monk06

(7,675 posts)
37. Interesting. I would have thought the facade was a bearing wall. Apparently not. It must have been
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 08:47 PM
Oct 2012

well built to lose the facade and still be standing. I doubt that it has a steel super structure given that it has only four stories, so even more remarkable.
 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
38. That building appears to be on a typical NYC 25' wide lot.
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 09:05 PM
Oct 2012

And usually the ceiling and floor joists span the masonry walls at the property lines, parallel to the sidewalk.

Thus, the loads fall on the side walls and not on the facade wall, which has to support itself but not load from the joists or beam except, in some cases, at mid-span.

freedom fighter jh

(1,782 posts)
35. More Likely Wind Sucked Away the Facade
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 08:38 PM
Oct 2012

A fluid in motion is under less pressure than the stationary fluid around it. If there was already a lot of wind from the hurricane, it would have been pulling on the facade (because of its low pressure) from the outside with higher-pressure (stationary) air pushing from inside the building. It's for this reason that when a hurricane shatters windows the pieces always fly outward, not inward. It's just that this time the wind took half the building's facade, not just its windows.

Must be a powerful wind in New York now.

 

slackmaster

(60,567 posts)
12. I'm going to take a wild guess that water pooled up on the roof and the weight collapsed it
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 07:03 PM
Oct 2012

I've seen it happen more than once.

frazzled

(18,402 posts)
8. Wow, that's just on the block where I used to work
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 06:59 PM
Oct 2012

Well, I'm talking decades and decades ago, in the 1970. I pray the people inside are okay!

PS: When I worked in that neighborhood, I witnessed another tragedy. Sitting at my desk, typing away (on a typewriter!), I noticed something go by outside, in my peripheral vision. I stood up to look out, and to my complete shock and horror saw a body fallen through the roof, several floors below, of the building next door (then an A & P supermarket). I will never forget the shock and anxiety I felt that day. It almost happened in slow motion: seeing something, sensing it was a person, then looking to confirm the horror.

PPS: I'm seeing that building is on 8th Ave. My building was just around the corner, on 14th Street, near 8th.

frazzled

(18,402 posts)
18. Yes just confirmed it was facade (link)
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 07:06 PM
Oct 2012
http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/building-facade-collapses-in-nyc-before-hurricane-sandy

A building located at 92 8th Ave. in Manhattan has suffered a collapsed front facade and falling debris in advance of the landfall of Hurricane Sandy, a New York Fire Department spokesperson confirmed in a phone interview with TPM.

FDNY had no reported injuries at the time of the interview with TPM and 25 units were on the scene clearing debris and checking to see if anyone was hurt.

Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #14)

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
19. Looks like the front facade broke loose...all those years, all that decomposition...
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 07:06 PM
Oct 2012

of mortar on a ~100 year old building...

progressivebydesign

(19,458 posts)
20. The building looks like it's still standing. the front came down, though.
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 07:07 PM
Oct 2012

scary. Not a major building. Hope everyone is okay. But the building is still there...

luv_mykatz

(441 posts)
39. I have seen this video before....
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 10:59 PM
Oct 2012

it is one of THE FUNNIEST videos I've ever seen.

And, yes, politicians are the same everywhere...

Thank you for posting this.

defacto7

(13,485 posts)
21. This is terrible
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 07:07 PM
Oct 2012

But I wouldn't call it a major building. I would call it a building. If that's a major building, what would you call larger buildings? Maybe they are calling it a major collapse OF a building. Not well reported by the newspaper.

Beacool

(30,249 posts)
23. It looks like the facade broke away from the rest of the bldg.
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 07:10 PM
Oct 2012

Some of these old buildings are poorly maintained. We are getting pummeled in this area. My power went out for 2 hours. It just came back a few minutes ago. Hopefully it'll stay on.

Response to swag (Original post)

swag

(26,487 posts)
27. I posted the original headline as prescribed by the forum rules.
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 07:15 PM
Oct 2012

When the facts of the story changed and the article on the link changed, I amended them.

Your accusation against me is unfounded.

Get a grip.

progressivebydesign

(19,458 posts)
30. Whoa cowboy!! the original link SAYS building collapse. It was wrong but reported that way.
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 07:22 PM
Oct 2012

People on twitter are still tweeting that a MAJOR building collapsed, and finally they're being corrected. But don't hate on the OP. If you look at the Business Insider link, that is what is written there.

Response to swag (Original post)

LiberalElite

(14,691 posts)
33. NY1.com reports it was due to wind. (can't get link) -
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 07:39 PM
Oct 2012

I feel sorry for the people who lived there now displaced.

 

JackRiddler

(24,979 posts)
36. Oh come on people...
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 08:44 PM
Oct 2012

Half of the front wall of a small brownstone in New York fell off, harming no one. Bet the building was rickety and this could have also happened without the storm.

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
40. Wow, extremely lucky no one got hurt
Tue Oct 30, 2012, 07:33 AM
Oct 2012

On the bright side the rent which was $4,400 a month will be going down.

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