Biden and Manchin speak

[mcar]

Source: Politico

Sen. Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.) and President Joe Biden spoke Sunday night after a major blowup in negotiations around the president’s domestic agenda, three people familiar with the call told POLITICO.

The conversation ended with a sense that negotiations would, in fact, resume around the Build Back Better Act in some form in the new year. The tone of conversation was cordial and it was agreed that they would speak again on legislative priorities.

White House staff had given Manchin a heads-up on Thursday that the president was soon to put out a statement accepting a delay in the Build Back Better Act and that it was going to mention the West Virginia senator by name. Manchin objected, asking that either his name be left or that he not be alone because his family had already been the target of abuse and he didn’t want to be singled out.

But the statement went out anyway, and contained only Manchin’s name. The senator then snapped at White House aides and told them that he was done negotiating. The West Wing that was interpreted as meaning that current talks were done but could pick up again next year.

Read more: https://www.politico.com/news/2021/12/20/biden-and-manchin-speak-525788

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Sorry about Politico, but it is LBN.

[dchill]

1. K&R.

[CincyDem]

2. Please Mr. President - don't tell people I'm being an asshole...they pick on me. n/t

Whaa whaa whaa ...

[mcar]

8. Sounds like a fit of pique

I also wonder if he thought he'd get more Democrats kowtowing to him. He got slammed pretty badly by WH and other Dems.

Also, the stock market is down.

[Irish_Dem]

11. He knew he would get slammed. He just wants Biden to cover for him.

Manchin wants to create chaos and damage the party.
And wants to have no consequences for it.

[CincyDem]

40. Agreed. Unfortunately he gets us our nominations.

Otherwise…worthless piece of chit.

[global1]

36. You Do The Crime - You Do The Time.....

What did Ebenezer Manchin expect? No one should know that he killed BBB.

He did the dirty deed - now he must account for his actions.

Sorry Manchin - the American People and the People of West Virginia - your state - will know what you did and what you are depriving them of.

No integrity. No morals.

How could you live with yourself - Senator (and I use that title loosely because you don't deserve to be a Senator) as you are not living up to your oath of office.

[peppertree]

3. Manchini will just keep stringing Biden along until next year

When he'll probably switch parties "because the Democratic Party left me" - or some such clichéd garbage.

I hope I'm wrong.

[mcar]

4. He'd never get elected again if he switched parties

Rs would primary him with a true Trumpcult nutbag and he'd be out on his ear.

[Irish_Dem]

7. Maybe he doesn't care if he gets re-elected again or not.

His mission has been accomplished and he probably is getting a huge pay out for it.

[mcar]

9. Oh, I think he got the payout, yes

[Irish_Dem]

13. He probably got one in the beginning. And more for each bomb he drops

on Biden and the party.

[Rebl2]

16. Yep

[mopinko]

14. yup. back in the day

the turtle could have promised that he wouldnt be. but those days are gone.

[mcar]

21. I think you are correct about that

Moscow Mitch doesn't have the control over his party he used to have.

[mopinko]

35. he sure wont going forward.

honestly, i dont know why he doesnt get out. 22 is gonna suck for him, even if they do well.

[Drunken Irishman]

31. 100% disagree.

You're fooling yourself or working out of the old political landscape.

It's not Republicans vs Democrats for Trump supporters. They don't care about the Republican Party. How people still don't see this is beyond me. It's solely about owning the libs and if Manchin switches to the Republican Party, and becomes somewhat receptive to Trump, he's golden. Flat out. No question. He'll have completely embarrassed the Democratic Party, Joe Biden and the liberals. That humiliation would 100% win him the support of those Trump Republicans.

You people need to wake up and realize there is no ideology here. There is no political game. It's all about just humiliating liberals and the Democrats. Manchin does that, flirts a bit with liking Trump, and he'll walk to reelection as a Republican.

In fact, I'd wager Manchin is more popular today in West Virginia among Trump voters than he is among Biden voters.

[onenote]

33. Trump will never say a good word about Msnchun

Manchin voted to convict Trump. Twice.

[Lasher]

38. au contraire

Trump praises Joe Manchin for defending filibuster — despite calling to eliminate it for years

Former President Donald Trump on Monday praised centrist Sen. Joe Manchin, D-W.Va., for his support of the filibuster — even though Trump spent years calling for the Senate to eliminate it.

Trump said during a phone interview with Fox Business that Manchin was "doing the right thing" by opposing Democratic calls to eliminate or reform the filibuster, which would allow the party to pass legislation with a simple majority rather than the 60 votes currently needed to advance bills amid rampant partisan obstruction.

https://www.salon.com/2021/06/07/trump-praises-joe-manchin-for-defending-filibuster--despite-calling-to-eliminate-it-for-years/

There is no accounting for what will come flapping out of Trump's mouth next. He has no moral compass. He is truly an evil man who will do whatever he thinks might benefit himself.

[Drunken Irishman]

41. He already has.

https://www.salon.com/2021/06/07/trump-praises-joe-manchin-for-defending-filibuster--despite-calling-to-eliminate-it-for-years/

Again: Manchin is likely more popular in West Virginia among Trump voters than he is Biden voters. He just pissed all over the Democrats and that is a win for any Trump Republican because that's how they view things. If Manchin were to switch parties, he absolutely would have a good chance of still winning the GOP nomination.

[Lasher]

42. Consider WV's Governor Jim Justice

He was first elected governor in 2016 as a Democrat and then changed his registration to Republican in 2017. He then won re-election in 2020.

His current job approval is 61%, the highest among the state officials surveyed.

https://wvmetronews.com/2021/09/03/justice-and-capito-show-solid-approval-while-manchin-hangs-tight/

I think you have a good point.

[Drunken Irishman]

44. i think Justice is a good example of it.

Tho, I've been impressed with his COVID comments and actions (albeit from afar, so I don't know how he's handled other the whole pandemic).

With all that said, I don't think Manchin flips. He has too much power right now to flip. If he flips, he becomes just another name - not the powerbroker he is currently.

[Lasher]

51. Justice's COVID efforts have been good.

And we had good results early on. But there's a lot of vaccine resisters in WV, and they have dragged our numbers down. Last time I checked we were the least vaccinated in the nation. It's a shame.

I just saw in a church prayer group where a 20 year old man is in the hospital with COVID. His family has been told he's probably not going to make it.

[Irish_Dem]

10. Yes I agree. He will just keep doing the same thing.

We are foolish to think it will be different in the future.

[peppertree]

48. Sad but true

We know there's only one thing Manchini cares about:

[berni_mccoy]

17. THIS 1000%

[peppertree]

49. Thanks!

It is what it is.

[ColinC]

5. Oh man...

Things are far more complicated than any one person has assumed, it seems.

[DeeNice]

6. It's not like no one knew who was responsible.

Come on, man.

[mpcamb]

12. Well it's an opportunity to get very green about coal...

And to tell Joe M to sit down, shut up and vote right or we go after coalmines with a vengeance.

[former9thward]

23. Coal mines have been gone after with a vengeance.

Everyone in WV knows that and that is the problem.

[dweller]

15. And now every story on BBB

mentions Maserati man and only Maserati man by name … that worked out real well, didn’t it


✌🏻

[regnaD kciN]

18. How long before Benedict Manchin flip-flops again...?

Maybe we should start a pool here on DU to guess the exact time he’ll throw up another set of roadblocks.

[JudyM]

19. IOW, pure ego. He actually feels people's struggles so little that being peeved is enough reason

to screw them.

That being said, if the staffers substituted their judgment for Biden’s on this…

[mcar]

22. That sounds about right

As my son said, he's like a spoiled child.

[Faux pas]

20. Why

would ANYBODY trust the EFFER now?!?!!!!

[Budi]

24. Welp, he can think about what he's said & done over the long holiday vacay.

Biden slowly reels in the flailing big mouth bass, just a short quarter turn at a time.

[mcar]

25. This is what I'm thinking too, Budi

He's not going to be getting the same media attention.

[Budi]

29. Biden will give Manchin a couple more weeks of suffering the spoils of his foolishness

Offer him a phone call & a tissue & send him back out to experience the full circle of his new celebrity.
Reel him back in to shelter, send him back out...till one morning Joe finds manchin shivering & huddled on his front step.

Joe Biden will get his masterpiece legislation passed. He didn't come all this way thru life for some guy entangled in his own ego parade, to undo the legacy gift of Joe Biden to the people of the country he loves.

[mcar]

32. Manchin is showing himself to be petty

and the photos of him on his yacht and sports car don't help.

Biden will get his legislation passed. It won't be perfect, but it will offer true help for the middle class and poor and for the planet.

[Budi]

43. Yup. Joe Biden is a man of his word.

[LakeArenal]

28. A friend says: He needs to go sit by his bowl.

[Budi]

30. Lol. Yes he does. Outside looking in the window to the warm kitchen, family seated ...

...seated at the xmas dinner table, eating, laughing, hugging.
And there's Manchin & his bowl.. On the outside looking in.
😟

[LakeArenal]

37. Exactly.

[Traildogbob]

26. For someone concerned

About his name attached to it, he was very willing to sing loud on Fox and then do nonstop radio interviews after. Bet he has some interesting tax returns.

[hay rick]

27. Man makes bed, complains about sleeping in it. nt

[mcar]

34. Ha!

[Bayard]

45. If he does deign to come back to negotiations,

Don't give away the store again. The biggest thing they dropped to try and make him happy was the wealth and corporation tax. That really made the peasants happy, as that would pay for the bill. Then Manchin wants to scrap that part. That's bullshit. Its been whittled down enough.

[brush]

46. Oh the poor DINO, got his fee fees hurt. Not to be trusted.

[lapfog_1]

47. Manchin gets to speak twice

to account for both sides of his mouth.

[IronLionZion]

50. Vote for the bill or we sick the dogs on you

Major might like a bite

[brooklynite]

53. Fortunately, President Biden, Speaker Pelosi and Leader Schumer...

...are more interested in accomplishing something than playing up to the base.

[IronLionZion]

55. Major could still take a bite out of Manchin

as motivation to accomplish something that also helps the base

[brooklynite]

52. Why be sorry about a publication that published political news?

[Joinfortmill]

54. He was in a fit of pique.

[TheArgus]

56. Worst nightmare : Party Change for Manchin. Remember Arlen Specter?

Well given how Harry Reid just died and the reminders about how he got an 'R' to change parties which DID shift balances well...

No wonder kid gloves are still on?

Just what the hell is going on? Seriously.

Coal Joe in WV throwing a tantrum is in my mind a fine idea. Let him show exactly who he is and what he's out in the open doing which is to derail Biden's agenda.

He's clearly being paid by the 'Rs' which I like to call the GQP now because they are, in my opinion, gone bonkers. (see: Paying Beatlejuces' legal-fee's in NY. Yeah, that guy - They gotta keep 'the cray base' sort of happy so $ keeps coming in? Anyone else see this nutso stuff? Imagine someone does)

Anyway. I digress.

This Joe-coal pushing around Joe-cool in the WH isn't going to fly much longer. Something's got to give.

Just HOW MUCH will it take to out-bid the 'Rs' who have obviously been paying MAnchin?

If Harry could get an 'R' to flip their party what says this WV rogue Dem wont maybe do the same?

I welcome thoughts on this nightmare scenario.

~TheArgus~