Supreme Court Will Hear Challenge to Affirmative Action at Harvard and U.N.C.
Source: New York Times
WASHINGTON The Supreme Court agreed on Monday to decide whether race-conscious admissions programs at Harvard and the University of North Carolina are lawful, putting the fate of affirmative action in higher education at risk. The court has repeatedly upheld similar programs, most recently in 2016. But recent changes in the courts membership have made it more conservative, and the challenged programs are almost certain to meet skepticism.
The case against Harvard accused it of discriminating against Asian American students by using a subjective standard to gauge traits like likability, courage and kindness and by effectively creating a ceiling for them in admissions. Lawyers for Harvard said that the challengers had relied on a flawed statistical analysis and denied that the university discriminated against Asian American applicants. More generally, they said that race-conscious admissions policies are lawful.
Under established precedent, to achieve the educational benefits that flow from student-body diversity, they wrote in a brief urging the justices to deny review, universities may consider race as one factor among many in a full, individualized evaluation of each applicants background, experiences and potential contributions to campus life. In the North Carolina case, the plaintiffs made more familiar arguments, saying the university discriminated against white and Asian applicants by giving preference to Black, Hispanic and Native American ones.
The university responded that its admissions policies fostered educational diversity and were lawful under longstanding Supreme Court precedents. Both cases were brought by Students for Fair Admissions, a group founded by Edward Blum, a legal entrepreneur who has organized many lawsuits challenging race-conscious admissions policies and voting rights laws, several of which have reached the Supreme Court. In the recent suits, the universities both won in federal trial courts, and the decision in Harvards favor was affirmed by a federal appeals court.
Read more: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/24/us/politics/supreme-court-affirmative-action-harvard-unc.html
SheltieLover
(57,073 posts)BumRushDaShow
(128,954 posts)Have no idea what this SCOTUS is going to do with this. It's been almost 44 years since Bakke.
SheltieLover
(57,073 posts)I can only imagine...
Good morning.
GB_RN
(2,355 posts)I can't see a case involving affirmative action going any way but wrong. (In)Justices Gorsuck, "Beerbong" Kavanope, "Uncle Slappy" Thomas, (Sc)Alito, and Amy COVID Barrett are enough to kill AA completely.
BumRushDaShow
(128,954 posts)and I don't think it will be overturned but they will probably do a Bakke-like ruling on the practice.
GB_RN
(2,355 posts)Compared to the Repukes of today. The EPA was his creation too, and the Repukes would love to get rid of it completely, if they could.
I hope you're right that they don't strike it down, but I don't have as much confidence in those five (In)Justices as you do, I guess.🤷♂️
BumRushDaShow
(128,954 posts)but they can be slick sometimes - doing something that results in the same draconian outcome without a complete "overturning" of a law. E.g., what they did with the VRA and striking down Section 4 (the judicial review of state voting laws/practices), which then cascaded to automatically deprecating Section 5 (the list of states/regions that Section 4 would be applied to), without completely eliminating the VRA.
Farmer-Rick
(10,169 posts)He did it after the civil rights law was passed. Later he added women to it.
https://www.aaaed.org/aaaed/History_of_Affirmative_Action.asp#:~:text=1965.,expand%20job%20opportunities%20for%20minorities.
BumRushDaShow
(128,954 posts)Farmer-Rick
(10,169 posts)I found it weird that LBJ included women only as an after thought a year later.
We still have a long way to go.
BumRushDaShow
(128,954 posts)Title VII included the prohibition discrimination based on "gender" (among the other categories), but it seems they had to keep "adding" more to that to underscore the point (i.e., with Title IX that happened in '72).
Farmer-Rick
(10,169 posts)Wants to do away with what little progress we've made.
BumRushDaShow
(128,954 posts)"Giveth and then taketh away".
mahatmakanejeeves
(57,439 posts)Good morning.
BumRushDaShow
(128,954 posts)if you don't move fast, you lose!
The NYT breaking popped up and I got on it. About a minute or so later, the WaPo one popped up.
And top of the morning to you!
SheltieLover
(57,073 posts)BumRushDaShow
(128,954 posts)and a couple other news sites (like CNN or AP), in tabs, and as soon as the breaking comes through, usually (but not always) the news sites tweet it out right away with a link directly to their breaking news articles. Makes it easier to have it ready to post in LBN!
SheltieLover
(57,073 posts)Thx!
mopinko
(70,100 posts)dark money?
BumRushDaShow
(128,954 posts)Joyannreid | Jul 30, 2013
(snip)
At issue: Justice Thomas failure to disclose his wife Virginia Ginny Thomas employment with the Heritage Foundation a key voice opposing the healthcare law (which Thomas corrected by filing amended disclosure forms in January 2011) and the more than $550,000 his wife, Ginny, raised in 2009 to start an anti-healthcare reform Tea Party organization and consulting firm Liberty Central.
As Media Matters reports:
Ginni Thomas was the founder and leader of Liberty Central, a political nonprofit dedicated to opposing what she characterizes as the leftist tyranny of President Obama and Democrats in Congress. The group was funded by Harlan Crow, frequent patron of the Thomas projects and causes and a financial supporter of right-wing campaigns such as the swift boat attacks on then-presidential candidate John Kerry and the advertising push to confirm President George W. Bushs Supreme Court nominees. Crow also serves on the board of the American Enterprise Institute, whose Edward Blum brought the two most recent attacks on the Voting Rights Act and affirmative action before the Supreme Court. Justice Thomas favored Blums positions against progressive precedent on both civil rights issues.
Ginni Thomas direction of Liberty Central was heavily criticized in the run-up to the Supreme Courts decision on the constitutionality of the Affordable Care Act because Justice Thomas was planning to rule on the healthcare law when his wife, a conservative lobbyist, has made so much money challenging the law. As U.S. News & World Report explained, this paid activism continued even after Ginni Thomas stepped down from Liberty Central to form a separate lobbying firm, Liberty Consulting:
https://thegrio.com/2013/07/30/clarence-thomas-still-has-a-conflict-of-interest-by-the-name-of-ginny/
Edward Blum (American Enterprise Institute)
Edward Blum (Federalist Society)
mopinko
(70,100 posts)heard reporting that she was tagging cases they wanted scotus to take.
i'm not commenting on scotus, per se. but i have a friend who was office manager of one of the big firms that defended big pharma, and other product liability stuff.
they were uber successful. she swears it is because they had basically rigged the system to make sure the weakest case was the 1st to get to court. even more important than being cozy w the judges.
SouthernDem4ever
(6,617 posts)JohnSJ
(92,190 posts)they based it on more than just academics.
That is how I am reading it
Loki Liesmith
(4,602 posts)Harvard uses a scoring system that weights applicants based on how personality scores (sports, character,etc) vary with respect to some expected level. This winds up scoring Asian applicants lower on a metric that could be interpreted as alikable personality. This metric should be retooled. It causes a lot of problems.
JohnSJ
(92,190 posts)what this has the potential to do is to actually eliminate affirmative action.
Here is what the actual lower court case arguments were:
"During the trial, the plaintiffs introduced evidence suggesting that Asian American students have a more difficult time getting in than do students from other groups with comparable or in some cases lower grades and test scores. Harvard does not release admission rates by racial and ethnic group (although some from past years came out in the trial).
It's also important to note that, year after year, there is new evidence that Asian Americans are making educational gains at a pace that exceeds those of other groups -- and they are making up a larger share of the potential college-going student body.
Data released by the College Board in December showed that the average combined score on the mathematics and evidence-based reading and writing sections of the SAT of Asian Americans was 1223, up 42 points. That gain was far larger than those of other groups. Black students and white students saw gains of five points, while there was no change in Latinx students and Native Americans saw a decline. Asian Americans now make up 10 percent of test takers, up from 9 percent a year ago."
https://www.insidehighered.com/admissions/article/2019/04/01/share-asian-americans-hits-record-high-harvards-class-admitted
Loki Liesmith
(4,602 posts)Im talking about a particular problematic metric and the appearance of that metric. You appear to be talking about the aggregate effect of an entire policy regime.
JohnSJ
(92,190 posts)succeed with this SC
Bleacher Creature
(11,256 posts)You'd have to flip two of the conservatives on the Court. I can't see that happening under any circumstance. I guess there's a small chance of getting Roberts, but that's likely it.
Farmer-Rick
(10,169 posts)"1965. President Lyndon B. Johnson issued E.O. 11246, requiring all government contractors and subcontractors to take affirmative action to expand job opportunities for minorities. Established Office of Federal Contract Compliance (OFCC) in the Department of Labor to administer the order.
"https://www.aaaed.org/aaaed/History_of_Affirmative_Action.asp#:~:text=1965.,expand%20job%20opportunities%20for%20minorities.
As an after thought, a year later they added women.
But we all know the perverts and holier-than-thou religious idiots on the court hate the civil rights laws and regulations that came out of it. So, they pass laws through their judiciary opinions knowing congress is too broken to push back.
PS a Democrat started Affirmative Action, of course it must go.
no_hypocrisy
(46,097 posts)Lewis Powell diminished AA in this decision.
CousinIT
(9,241 posts)They also want EPA, Dept of Ed, IRS, DHS, OSHA abolished. They'll get it all to (and outlaw abortion) because that's what Kochs, Republicans, Judicial Watch, ALEC, etc. put them there for. McConnell was their tool.
Polybius
(15,407 posts)The rest you are right on though.
Mustellus
(328 posts).. to have an entirely Asian American student body. Nobody works harder at their education...
In places like California, there are "quotas" for white people, specially white males.
This could be a riot
Mr.Bill
(24,284 posts)is pretty much the same amount of Black and Hispanic students, way more Asian students and fewer White ones.
FakeNoose
(32,639 posts)I totally agree that Civil Rights legislation is CORNERSTONE to our democracy. However I'm not convinced that the private universities should be held to the same standard as state-funded ones.
My own experience was at the University of Notre Dame, back in the late 60's and early 70's. At the time Notre Dame had all-male undergraduate enrollment and they were told by the federal government that they had to go co-ed. In other words they had to enroll women in their undergraduate programs. Many ND alumni (all male of course) were totally against this and tried to fight the enrollment of women. The University President Father Ted Hesburgh said "OK fine, then we can never accept federal monies ever again, and the ROTC program needs to be shut down immediately. Our research grants will disappear too. How much are you alumni planning to donate to keep this school operating?" As a result women students were enrolled starting in 1970, so it has been over 50 years as a co-educational school. If Notre Dame had refused the federal monies it would have hurt a lot of educational programs and research funding that has kept it going to this day.
Harvard University has such a rich endowment from alumni and benefactors. I'm not even sure if Harvard accepts federal monies now. But if it does, the funding can be easily replaced by alumni donations to the endowment. I have no doubts that Harvard sees the benefit of enrolling minority students, and I don't believe that is at issue. The problem is the pressure from legacy applicants who are denied a spot, when maybe they weren't good enough students to get in on their own. They believe they would have gotten in if there were fewer minorities and more legacies. In my mind, "fairness" is secondary, because the legacies are trying to skip the line.