Whoopi Goldberg Suspended From 'The View' for Holocaust Remarks

[George II]

Source: Variety

Whoopi Goldberg has been suspended from “The View” for two weeks after facing wide criticism for her remarks that the Holocaust was “not about race.”

Goldberg’s suspension was announced in a statement released by ABC News public relations on Tuesday night.

“Effective immediately, I am suspending Whoopi Goldberg for two weeks for her wrong and hurtful comments,” reads a statement attributed to Kim Godwin, president at ABC News. “While Whoopi has apologized, I’ve asked her to take time to reflect and learn about the impact of her comments. The entire ABC News organization stands in solidarity with our Jewish colleagues, friends, family and communities.”

Goldberg’s comments on “The View” reached the highest level of decision makers at Disney, Variety can confirm. According to sources, Peter Rice, the chairman of Disney General Entertainment Content, was consulted on the public fallout for Goldberg.

Read more: https://variety.com/2022/tv/news/whoopi-goldberg-suspended-the-view-1235169537/

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This is bullshit. She had Jonathan Greenblatt on this morning to discuss her remarks, and he essentially accepted her apology. I suspect this is rightwing pressure because they HATE her for all she says.

ABC Statement:

Link to tweet

[RussellCattle]

1. I agree, this is bullshit. It perverts what is commonly accepted meaning....

....of race and racism.

[Skittles]

3. saying this was "white on white" crime dimiishes the true horror of it all

not good

[RobinA]

81. How So?

I don't see this at all. What was done was done. It's not less horrible if everybody is the same race, gender, religion, etc.

[unblock]

8. Ummm, nazis killed people they identified as Jews even if they had converted to Christianity.

They killed Jewish children, even babies, on the argument that they were an inferior, harmful, diseased race.

It was done based on who your parents were and their argument was largely based on genetics, they claimed aryans were superior.

Just because the great racial divide in America is black/white doesn't mean that the term "racism" only applies to what's relevant to Americans.

[DBoon]

33. race is a socially defined concept

The Nazis made Jews into a race, regardless of how individual Jews may have self-identified

[unblock]

39. The nazis made more of it than Jews did prior, but Judaism has always been

a religion of identity, not a religion of faith.

Traditionally, Judaism is passed from mother to child and conversion to Judaism is a usually a difficult process, typically at least a year of study and various rituals and so on.

[CTyankee]

55. My husband converted to Judaism years ago after grad school. He subsequently married a

Jewish woman and he was/is considered Jewish. His daughter is now a rabbi in New York. They are reform Jews.

[unblock]

56. Yes, conversion is a lot of work but certainly it can be done

Mrs. unblock concerted as well, and our daughter is Jewish, too.

My brother was adopted at the age of 6 months and when he got married, he had a tough time finding a willing rabbi because they all insisted he "convert" to Judaism first. To which he said, "from what?" because Judaism was the only religion he had ever known.

Reform Judaism generally makes conversion easier, but then the stricter Jews won't accept it as legit.

Anyway, conversion is possible, so it's not exactly the same as the black/white race division, but it's close. And the nazis treated it as purely genetic.

[cab67]

111. Israel won't accept conversions other than Orthodox.

[unblock]

115. Yeah Christianity sure makes it a whole lot easier

"I accept Jesus into my heart"

Boom

Done.

[ShazzieB]

101. The Nazis even classified people according to how many Jewish grandparents they had!

The Nazis developed a very complex system for determining who was or was not legally classified as a Jew.

Mischling (German: [ˈmɪʃlɪŋ]; lit. "mix-ling"; plural: Mischlinge) was a pejorative legal term used in Nazi Germany to denote persons of both "Aryan" and non-Aryan, such as Jewish ancestry as codified in the Nuremberg racial laws of 1935. In German, the word has the general denotation of hybrid, mongrel, or half-breed.

*snip*

Nazi definitions of Mischling

As defined by the Nuremberg Laws in 1935, a "full Jew" (Istjude or Volljude in Nazi terminology) was a person – regardless of religious affiliation or self-identification – who had at least three grandparents who had been enrolled with a Jewish congregation or were married to a Jewish spouse. A person with two Jewish grandparents was also legally "Jewish" (so-called Geltungsjude, roughly speaking, in English: "Jew by legal validity" or "to be deemed/reckoned as a Jew" ) if that person met any of these racial conditions created by Nazis:

- Was enrolled as a member of a Jewish congregation when the Nuremberg Laws were issued or joined later
- Was married to a "full Jew".
- Was the offspring from a marriage with a Jew, which was concluded after the ban on mixed marriages.
- Was the offspring of an extramarital affair with a Jew, born out of wedlock after 31 July 1936.

A person who did not belong to any of these categorical conditions, but had two Jewish grandparents was classified as a Jewish Mischling of the first degree according to the racial constructs implemented by Nazis. A person with only one Jewish grandparent was classified as a Mischling of the second degree.

Lots more, including footnotes, references, etc., at the source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mischling

[AntiFascist]

92. This whole discussion seems to ignore Hitler's push for eugenic purification...

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and advancement of what he called the "Master Race."

The Holocaust was largely about race because Hitler made it that way. Genocide is genocide, whether or not you try to split hairs about it being about race or ethnicity.

[ShazzieB]

102. The current commonly accepted meaning of "race" is not really germane here.

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We're talking about events that happened more than 3/4 of a century ago. The Nazis were operating according to THEIR "commonly accepted meaning" of the word and concept "race," not OURS.

To them, it was ALL about "race."

[Skittles]

2. well, she does need to do some reflecting

I believe she is sincerely sorry but her comments indicate she is in need of some education; I hope she gets it.

[George II]

4. I respectfully disagree. Her comments were blown way out of proportion and Jonathan Greenblatt....

...the CEO of ADL accepted her apology and explanation.

What "education" is she in need of?

This is most likely to placate her right wing detractors.

[Skittles]

9. so.... the Holocaust was "two white groups"

alrighty then

[George II]

10. That's not what she said. Not even close. Did you see the opening segment of The View today?

You can watch it here:

https://abc.com/shows/the-view

[Skittles]

21. pretty close

She added, “This is white people doing it to white people, so y’all going to fight amongst yourselves.”

I think perhaps you need to do some reflecting too.

[George II]

23. As I already pointed out, even Jonathan Greenblatt acknowledged what she said and accepted....

...her apology. He was also on Don Lemon's show for a long time tonight, and he seemed disturbed with the suspension.

As for ME reflecting, you know nothing about me. Respectfully, you're wrong.

[Skittles]

26. I'd still like to know WHY did she say these things?

what was her actual point?

[George II]

28. Watch yesterday's show, and then watch today's show.

https://abc.com/shows/the-view

[Skittles]

37. I see she admits now she should have said it was about inhumanity AND race

well that's good

over and out

[LiberalLovinLug]

89. You must take context into account. She is an African American

Her experience with racism, and other black Americans as well, is a bigotry based on the colour of their skin.

ie...It doesn't matter if a black person is a Christian, or a southerner, or drives a giant good ole boy double wheeled pickup.......doesn't matter how much they have the same religion or even interests......ITS ABOUT COLOUR OF SKIN.

That is her experience of what racism is.

Most Jewish people did not look much different than other Germans. So it was about something other than racism in her mind. And frankly in mine as well. Especially since there were other groups who were also persecuted like gays, communists etc..

Her only fault is not defining her perception of "racism" through the eyes of a Nazi. It was they that used the term "Jewish race" in order to further separate them from other Germans. No matter how technically wrong.

This "outrage" and punishment is just another example of the PC puritans making our side into a joke. Which de-fangs that outrage when it may really matter. It nurtures cynicism and keeps people home on voting day. So sick of it.

[RayStar]

114. YES!

Just like people will look at any black skinned person and call them Afro-American in this country.

[ShazzieB]

98. I just watched the segment with Jonathan Greenblatt, and I thought it was great.

I still haven't seen the segment where she said the things she got in trouble for, so I still don't know exactly what she said. (If someone could point me to a clip or a transcript of her exact words, I'd be very appreciative, btw.) But from what I have been able to glean, she was in need of some education, and she very graciously acknowledged that herself, so I don't see why anyone should be arguing that point.

Greenblatt very courteously and masterfully provided that education, not just to Whoopi but to the entire viewing audience of the show, so you could say Whoopi inadvertently created a teachable moment with her gaffe, which was handled in the best possible way by having Greenblatt come on to clear things up.

Is the 2 week suspension overkill? It seems like it is, but as I already mentioned, I still don't know what she said, so there's no way I can evaluate exactly how bad it was. But I can confidently say that anyone who thinks the Holocaust had nothing to do with race is in need of some education. It may not look that way through 21st century eyes if one is not fully informed of the historical context, but it most assuredly was. The Nazis definitely saw the Jews as a different race from the so-called superior "Aryan" race to which they believed they and their fellow Germans belonged. That was the whole basis for wanting to exterminate the Jews.

"Race" as a concept has not always been exclusively linked with skin color the way it is now, the meaning of the word in the first half of the 20th century was different from the meaning it has now, and it had a very specific meaning in Nazi Germany that led to horrible things, even though the people involved on both sides were all what we would call "white." That is what Whoopi was evidently not aware of and has now been educated about by Jonathan Greenblatt.

[George II]

100. Here you go. The entire segment gives the full context of the discussion, but her comments....

....start about 4 minutes into this video. I wish everyone in this DU discussion would watch it, and then watch the link I gave yesterday that showed the first 12 minutes of yesterday's show where Greenblatt did his great job of explaining the issue from a Jewish perspective.

Here's yesterday's show where they discuss it with Greenblatt:

https://abc.com/shows/the-view/episode-guide/2022-02/01-the-view-201

[ShazzieB]

103. Thanks for this!

I had already watched the Greenblatt segment earlier (easier to find because it was right at the start of the episode), but I didn't know where to find the segment with the problematic remarks.

What I've now seen confirms my earlier impression, that Whoopi overlooked or was not aware of certain key historical context about the Holocaust when she made the remarks about Maus that got her in so much trouble. After Greenblatt's appearance and Whoopi's gracious admission that she got some things wrong, I definitely feel the 2 week suspension ⅕was overkill.

People need to be allowed to make mistakes without being harshly punished for them, especially when they are willing to get educated about what they got wrong and graciously accept that education, as Whoopi did. This is how people grow! I hope ABC rethinks the suspension, because I think THEY got that wrong.

[George II]

105. You're welcome, and I truly appreciate the way you look at it. Thanks!

[Chicago1980]

12. Since when did Jewish become a race?

Can you choose it on the census?

Driver's Licenses don't say 'Jewish'...

[Skittles]

13. they were considered sub-human

IT WASN'T ABOUT COLOR - but ask yourself this: what did she mean by those remarks? What was she really trying to say? Nothing good.

[demigoddess]

85. I thought she meant it was about religion.

religious massacres have been going on forever. Catholics, protestants, and Jews. Is there any religion that they haven't slaughtered at some time?

[IronLionZion]

15. The census counts Middle Eastern and North African people as white

My driver's license doesn't say Catholic.

Who is a Jew
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Who_is_a_Jew%3F

[Buckeye_Democrat]

17. Why are you comparing the modern USA to Nazi Germany?

Different countries and different time periods, clearly.

Whoopi implied that race was more than just a social construct, as if only skin color was the only "real" definition of race.

Yet the Nazis absolutely defined Jews as a race. They believed that Jews (among others) were an inferior race that needed to be eradicated.

People will define race how they wish because it's indeed a social construct.

[elias7]

52. We are considered a separate ethnicity

Just because you don’t have a checkbox on a census form or a driver’s license doesn’t mean squat. Whoopi tried to clarify her comments about how she can’t walk down the street and tell if a white person is a Jew or not, that’s why she said it’s not about race. Sorry, Whoopi, I can.

[oldsoftie]

70. So YOU can tell if a person is Jewish just walking past them?

Because I've worked with jewish people all my life & there were some I never knew WERE Jewish until it came up in a discussion. My former neighbor was Jewish & I didn't know until she needed help with a tree & I offered to help her on a Saturday. There are asian Jews, black jews, etc. Its very confusing to me how a religion has an appearance. A name, ok, that's a different story; just like Irish names German names etc.

[BobTheSubgenius]

80. I went to school with a guy from a family that was far wealthier than they appeared.

When he got divorced (from another friend of mine), it turned out that the family owned, among other things, one side of an entire city block, just off Granville Island. A single commercial lot there today would easily be $5,000,000 as bare ground.

They owned all kinds of other things, too, all of which was a surprise to everyone. Another surprise was that his family was Jewish. How did THAT never come up in a relationship of about 15 years, let alone in any other context?

[oldsoftie]

91. Only way I ever knew was a couple different ways;

The first job I was at we had 3 Jewish people who volunteered to work on Christmas for an overdue project. Which is something that Jewish people do all the time from what I've heard; volunteer for Christmas work.
The second was a guy who took off the Jewish holiday
And, like you, I have a friend who I went to school with since 1977 and didn't know until about 6 yrs ago when he was finally going to go to Israel, and that's how it came up

[BobTheSubgenius]

107. The point being that you can't rely solely on observation, right?

Also, my son volunteers to cover any shift on Xmas, sometimes even two. But that's because he doesn't care about it at all.

So that's a case where observation and conclusion leave you with a false positive.

[oldsoftie]

110. Ha! That would be MY brother as well! But they told us.

[JohnnyRingo]

72. A Jewish friend once corrected me that his religion is not a race.

I recall that he said it was more a religious culture and he was indeed, Caucasian.

Then again, Hitler was the architect of the Master Race, but I think he just hated Jews along with every other minority. I think this Whoopie thing is an overreaction warranting a public wrist slapping.

[RobinA]

82. What Difference Does

it make? People did terrible things to other people. It's not more or less horrible based on the demographics of the doers versus the victims. What Nazis did to Jews isn't any different than what Nazis did to other groups that they slaughtered. To most nonwhites, the Holocaust was "two white groups." Same as to most non-Asians, the Sino-Japanese Wars were two Asian groups.

[PatSeg]

69. I agree

And suspending her is just dragging this story out. I really don't know what the point is for suspending her unless it is meant to give the show more media attention and free publicity.

I also agree that the comments were blown out of proportion. An apology and clarification was more than enough.

[George II]

71. It was one of the most sincere, heartfelt apologies I've ever seen. It wasn't laced with....

...disclaimers like "to anyone who may have been offended", etc.

[PatSeg]

77. Exactly

The apology seemed to reflect the kind of person Whoopi is. She is someone acutely aware of other people's feelings and capable of admitting she made a mistake. The apology was honest and sincere. Dragging this relatively minor story into more than one news cycle is really tacky, especially considering how many truly important stories are out there.

[happy feet]

73. This!

and she made an honest and sincere apology. Not the bullshit 'if i offended anyone'.

[Socal31]

117. Interesting.

Mr. Greenblatt, along with some European press, and at least one other NGO, are the reason she was suspended, from what I can see. After her initial comments:

Jonathan Greenblatt

"The Holocaust was about the Nazis' systemic annihilation of the Jewish people - who they deemed to be an inferior race. They dehumanized them and used their racist propaganda to justify slaughtering six million Jews. "Holocaust distortion is dangerous."

Stopantisemitism.org:

"Six million of us were gassed, starved, and massacred because we were deemed an inferior race by the Nazis.

"How dare you minimise (sic) our trauma and suffering!"


https://news.sky.com/story/whoopi-goldberg-apologises-for-devastating-and-dangerous-comments-about-holocaust-12530007

[Behind the Aegis]

118. Wait. You are blaming JEWS for her suspension?! For something SHE said?

Seriously?!

[Socal31]

119. Woah there.

A prominent person was being sited as proof that the Jewish community was against the suspension.

I pointed out that the person being sited, was actually part of the outrage that lead to the censure.

I'll assume it was an honest misunderstanding, and not someone being intentionally obtuse in order to imply a fellow DUer is a bigot.

[Behind the Aegis]

120. Woah there nothing.

You said:

Mr. Greenblatt, along with some European press, and at least one other NGO, are the reason she was suspended, from what I can see. After her initial comments:

"Lead to" and "the reason" are not the same thing.

ETA: Her comments led to her suspension, not the fact that Jews, among others, pointed out what she said was ignorant and hurtful.

[DURHAM D]

5. This is just stupid.

Would a man be judged in the same way?

[George II]

11. Probably not. Nor would a white woman. Anyone remember the years of Meghan McCain?

[pazzyanne]

45. Vividly!!!

[Skittles]

27. yes

especially a repuke

[DURHAM D]

29. Wrong.

No repuke would be suspended and publicly shamed by the network.

[Skittles]

30. WE would condemn them

FOR SURE

[Alexander Of Assyria]

63. Agree. Black woman judged differently...and here by old white men doing the judging.

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A Supreme Court vacancy opens…and a similar reaction a VP certain nomination, old white men screaming nonsense, comes to mind also.

[MichMan]

96. She was suspended by Kim Godwin, the president of ABC News, who is African American

A Black woman is suspended by another Black woman for saying something ignorant, and you blame old White men.

Which old white men are you referring to?

[unblock]

6. I love Whoopi but I also have no problem with a 2-week suspension.

I'd disagree with a firing and is disagree with doing nothing. 2 weeks seem just right.

[thesquanderer]

7. Her post-Colbert updated apology seemed a lot better. So it was a learning experience.

In light of that, I think the suspension is an over-reaction. It will accomplish little more that satisfying the faux outrage of the people who probably never liked her much to begin with.

[George II]

14. I'm watching Don Lemon's show right now. Jonathan Greenblatt is on, and he seems to be....

...disturbed by this suspension.

As I hinted in the OP, I think this is a kneejerk reaction to placate republicans.

[onecaliberal]

16. They're doing this because Whoopi is a black woman. Complete bullshit.

[George II]

19. Exactly - an outspoken Black woman. They gave Meghan McCain free rein for several years.

[onecaliberal]

20. They're also fine with the little Nazi fucker spewing hate and death.

[Skittles]

38. the standard for repuke propagandists is really fucking low

ya know?

[Cozmo]

18. I abhor Whoopi's comments. Shame!

[DURHAM D]

22. Kim is AA.

https://nypost.com/2021/04/14/its-official-kim-godwin-named-president-of-abc-news/

Interesting.

[George II]

62. Yes. She's been in that position for less than a year. I think she's trying to impress those....

....above her.

Note the tone of the announcement. Normally it would be something like "Whoopie Goldberg has been suspended...." This one says "I am suspending Whoopi Goldberg...." Not worded the way one would have expected.

[brush]

24. Didn't she apologize on the air that same show?

[Etherealoc1]

25. Well they sure put her in her place

I saw her apology this morning
it was not flippant or a CYA moment.

I have no problem with her having
to take the time to reflect and
gain further understanding of the
Holocaust, but a suspension?

SMH

[Hassin Bin Sober]

31. Lol. Mrs. "Not a rape rape" stuck her foot in her mouth again and got suspended?

[Skittles]

32. omg Hassin Bin Sober

stop it, yer killing me

[jg10003]

34. Race is a sociological concept, not a biological classification.

In America that sociological concept is defines race as skin color. The Nazis defined race in terms of geography and ancestry.

From Wikipedia;

The Aryan Master Race conceived by Hitler and the Nazis graded humans on a scale of pure Aryans to non-Aryans (who were viewed as subhumans). At the top of the scale of pure Aryans were Germans and other Germanic and Northern European peoples, including the Dutch, Scandinavians, and the English. Latins were held to be somewhat inferior, but were tolerated; and the French were thought to have a suitable admixture of Germanic blood....The Nazis considered the Slavs as Non-Aryan Untermenschen ( "sub-humans" ) who were to be enslaved and exterminated by Germans....At the bottom of the racial scale of non-Aryans were Jews, ethnic Poles, ethnic Serbs and other Slavic people, Romani, and black people.

Goldberg's mistake was failing to understand that the Nazis did not consider Jews, Roma, and Slavs to be white (i.e. Aryan). They were a separate, and inferior, race. That is why the Nazi government agency responsible for enforcing Nazi racial laws was called the "Rasse- und Siedlungshauptamt der SS" (SS Race and Settlement Main Office).

[JoeOtterbein]

35. They, "HATE her" because she is...

...black

.

[George II]

36. Yes.

[Alexander Of Assyria]

65. The major networks may be headed by racists against blacks? Would not be a shocker.

[IHadToDoIt]

40. Not a surprise when you realize what race owns the majority of these media companies.

As usual black people get railroaded.

[Carlitos Brigante]

41. Go on. Tell us more. nt

[JohnSJ]

44. and who do YOU think owns these media companies? Regardless, whatever the

background of who heads media companies, your insinuation is bigoted because it implies a preconceived assumption

Of course I am sure you are excluding the media empire of Murdoch, and others like him from your assumptions

[Behind the Aegis]

47. ...there you are

Not a surprise when you realize what race owns the majority of these media companies.
View profile
As usual black people get railroaded.

And there it is folks...

[Mosby]

74. Wonder who's sock it is.

[Carlitos Brigante]

76. Mel Gibson? Or is Pat Buchanan still alive? nt

[cinematicdiversions]

53. So your blaming who exactly for the antisemitism?????

(BTW the media companies are owned mostly by pension funds and peoples 401k plans not some secret group of elders as you are apparently implying.)

[AZLD4Candidate]

88. Please explain what you mean by "what race owns media companies."

[Rhiannon12866]

42. She talked about her suspension when she appeared with Stephen Colbert last night:

Stephen Colbert - How Whoopi Became Today's Hot Topic On "The View"

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1017709237

[cadoman]

43. Whoopi Covid+ can't qualify as LBN and now this

Poor woman just can't win.

But yeah, terrible comments that would have been worthy of a ban if not for her staunch progressive history. I hope they'll give her a chance to repent and work again some day.

[ShazzieB]

106. What is LBN?

Sorry, I don't know what you're talking about, and Google results were too ambiguous to be helpful.

[cadoman]

116. latest breaking news

[JoeOtterbein]

46. When our precious Earth is in danger...

...why do we care about TV celebrities?

Answers are appreciated!

[Behind the Aegis]

48. Her remarks were bad and ahistorical.

I see many more ahistorical comments here and at other self-professed liberal sites, so it is not like it is uncommon, especially when it comes to discussing Jews. I don't think a two-week suspension was necessary, but I also see this is exactly what happens when the "victims" are Jews, the focus COMPLETELY changes, and the original offense, even if salved, gets left out of the equation.

[JohnSJ]

50. It amazes me that so many in this thread seem to ignore one of the basic premises of hitler's

ideology, which was how they were the "master race', and yes Jews were considered an inferior race by the nazis

What do people think the white supremacists and neo-nazis believe.

[RobinA]

83. So Hitler

is defining our terms now? When did that start?

[JohnSJ]

86. Why don't you read a little history.

https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/victims-of-the-nazi-era-nazi-racial-ideology

[ShazzieB]

109. "Now" is beside the point.

We're talking about stuff that was done by people who were most definitely following Hitler’s definitions.

How you or I define "race" has nothing to do with the Nazis.

[ecstatic]

94. I've always thought of the holocaust as eugenics and evil scapegoating

that resulted in genocide. Obviously there was a racial component because hitler wanted to eliminate anyone who wasn't his version of the "perfect" / pure white heterosexual person. However, prior to this controversy, I had never heard antisemitism described as racism, so I had never thought about it in that context. Keep in mind, this topic isn't covered in great detail in school. People are left to form their own conclusions. Your understanding may be common knowledge within specific communities, but how are people outside those communities supposed to know that without discussions (like the one we're having now)?

Also--if I say something incorrect, please correct me, and please don't assume that I'm coming from a hateful place. I respect, admire and am truly grateful for the Jewish community, who overwhelmingly stood up for and fought alongside African Americans during the civil rights movement and after.

[JohnSJ]

49. Of course it was about race. Ever hear the term "master race", herrenrasse? It was the concept

that was part of nazi ideology, in which they deemed the "Aryan race" superior to other races, and destined to rule over them

[moniss]

51. When

she comes back she should do a whole segment about the historical anti-Semitism and racist stereotyping Disney was all too happy to engage in as long as it was bringing in dollars and building political influence to support their anti-union objectives. Maybe they would like to have "reflection" on their own conduct and that of their namesake. How many execs were/are members of clubs with exclusionary policies either written or "understood"? The list goes on. I don't support at all what Whoopi said or how she said it but this sudden "piousness" by Disney is laughable. It's not for nothing that their nickname is "The Rat".

[Solly Mack]

54. ...

Hmm. I keep getting a Forbidden 403 when I try to post my actual comments. Let me try again.

Nope still get it.

That's odd.

I can edit this post and update the post but not if I include my original reply.

[RandiFan1290]

58. She's a moron

I remember when she was attacking Bernie Sanders because she was afraid that she might have to pay her fair share of taxes.

[NurseJackie]

60. Heaven forbid that Whoopi says something critical about Bernie.

That certainly helps to explain the Whoopi-hate around here. Thanks for the reminder. It was so inconsequential that I'd already forgotten about that.

[JohnSJ]

61. I like Whoopi

[Nixie]

68. +1000, and the mindless assumptions about Whoopi

being afraid since no one should be questioning Bernie. Goodness.

[George II]

75. When was that, and the context? Even so, that makes her a "moron"?

[TexasBushwhacker]

59. Not the first time she's said something questionable

On Michael Vick, after his arrest for dog fighting:

"For a lot of people, dogs are sport,” Goldberg said on the show. ... “Instead of just saying (Vick) is a beast and he's a monster, this is a kid who comes from a culture where this is not questioned."
(Sep 4, 2007)



On Michael Jackson:

"This guy... sex is not part of his world, this is my opinion. I never believed that sex was a part of Michael's world. To him, hurting a child... he would rather hurt an adult if he was going to hurt somebody, he would never hurt a child."

[Hassin Bin Sober]

87. Regarding the rapist Roman Polanski:

Whoopi:

"I know it wasn't rape-rape. It was something else but I don't believe it was rape-rape. He went to jail and and when they let him out he was like, 'You know what, this guy's going to give me a hundred years in jail. I'm not staying.' So that's why he left."

[George II]

95. And yet you've been using a graphic in your signature for years portraying a girl being tossed....

....into a lake to drown.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

112. You know Frankenstein is a fictional character, yes?

So is Kermit The Frog.

[George II]

113. Fictional violence against little girls is acceptable?

[Wednesdays]

64. Not to defend what Goldberg said, but

what about all the garbage the rightwing hosts (Meghan McCain, etc.) spewed over the years? Were they suspended, too?

[PlanetBev]

66. What the actual fuck?

I’m Jewish and this is insane. The Holocaust was about Man’s inhumanity to man. Just because the Nazis considered Jews a race doesn’t make it so. We’re going to tear each other apart over this stupid shit.

[George II]

67. Jonathan Greenblatt's response to Whoopi Goldberg's FIRST of three apologies. He also appeared....

...on Tuesday's show, too. EVERYONE should watch it before judging.

Link to tweet

[TexasBushwhacker]

93. Works for me n/t

[Jimbo S]

78. Obviously, I'm tone deaf

I had the program on, with one eye on my paper and one eye on the TV and my wife and I heard her comment and didn't react to it.

[BobTheSubgenius]

79. This presupposes that the Holocaust is and was defined as a campaign against Jews.

That is a completely acceptable interpretation, and, as such, her comment was awful, and merits censure. If you accept that other nationalities and religions were oppressed, not to mention sexual orientation and mental or physical defects, she'd have been OK by merely inserting "just" or "entirely" between "not" and "about."

Words have nuance and impact, and I'm fine with her being chastised. The effect to her is embarrassment; I'm sure she'll weather the loss of a fortnight's income handily.

[MichMan]

84. Somewhat ironic considering she chose Goldberg as a stage name, instead of using Johnson.

[BradAllison]

90. The show should be cancelled already

Too much time is wasted talking about the trash that program puts out there and the mediocre hosts.....

[VarryOn]

97. I've never watched it, only seen clips...

Of nothing but controversy and caterwauling. Makes me wonder who their target is.

[BradAllison]

108. It allows people who know jack shit about politics to pretend they're paying attention. n/m

[LakeArenal]

99. Whoopi ignorantly misspoke and acknowledge it and apologized.

I think she is sincere in her regret.

Personally, I think she meant nothing malicious or racist.

But for many, nothing she can say will ever be good enough.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

104. It's a pattern