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demmiblue

(36,881 posts)
Sun Feb 27, 2022, 09:41 AM Feb 2022

Putin puts Russia's nuclear forces on alert, cites sanctions

Source: AP

KYIV, Ukraine (AP) — In a dramatic escalation of East-West tensions over Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, President Vladimir Putin ordered Russian nuclear deterrent forces put on high alert Sunday in response to what he called “aggressive statements” by leading NATO powers.

The order means Putin has ordered Russia’s nuclear weapons prepared for increased readiness to launch, raising the threat that the tensions could boil over into a nuclear war. In giving it, the Russian leader also cited hard-hitting financial sanctions imposed by the West against Russia, including Putin himself.

Speaking at a meeting with his top officials, Putin directed the Russian defense minister and the chief of the military’s General Staff to put the nuclear deterrent forces in a “special regime of combat duty.”

“Western countries aren’t only taking unfriendly actions against our country in the economic sphere, but top officials from leading NATO members made aggressive statements regarding our country,” Putin said in televised comments.

Read more: https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-kyiv-business-europe-moscow-2e4e1cf784f22b6afbe5a2f936725550

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Putin puts Russia's nuclear forces on alert, cites sanctions (Original Post) demmiblue Feb 2022 OP
One of his fatal accidents needs to find him. Joinfortmill Feb 2022 #1
THIS ... big time. KPN Feb 2022 #4
No kidding! SheltieLover Feb 2022 #9
I agree. Anon-C Feb 2022 #12
He likes to use blue-wave Feb 2022 #19
+1 orangecrush Feb 2022 #29
Now would be nice pandr32 Feb 2022 #36
Colonel Mustardorov, in Vlad's bunker, with a dagger. tclambert Feb 2022 #50
He really has lost his mind PatSeg Feb 2022 #2
This shits starting to get real real fast Cheezoholic Feb 2022 #3
he lies like trump samsingh Feb 2022 #5
I hope nobody is surprised.. ananda Feb 2022 #6
As serious as this is... EarthFirst Feb 2022 #7
+100000 Pachamama Feb 2022 #11
Does he realize that he may be harming mother Russia? . . . Lovie777 Feb 2022 #8
Putin has no way to save face after his disastrous decision to invade Ukraine. Lonestarblue Feb 2022 #10
The biggest difference between dRumf and putrid Cheezoholic Feb 2022 #15
Good point orangecrush Feb 2022 #31
It is an illusion to think that if he orders a nuclear launch that his military won't do it JohnSJ Feb 2022 #17
the madman may launch nukes based on some imaginary grievance samsingh Feb 2022 #13
Ummm. Socal31 Feb 2022 #38
This is indeed the situation we are all in now. Ghost Dog Feb 2022 #48
It is really time for China to step up to the plate and let this madman know that they will not JohnSJ Feb 2022 #14
The leadership in China may love the idea of an actual shooting war thucythucy Feb 2022 #18
No they don't. JohnSJ Feb 2022 #28
Yes and no Rural_Progressive Feb 2022 #37
China gets most of their money from us Tree Lady Feb 2022 #44
I suspect that bringing these nuclear forces up in status preparation (a higher level of readiness) SWBTATTReg Feb 2022 #16
He might very well throw a tactical nuclear missile at Kyiv dalton99a Feb 2022 #20
He has a lot more tactical nuclear weapons than NATO. marie999 Feb 2022 #24
So what does happen when a leader of a nuclear superpower becomes unhinged? How will yaesu Feb 2022 #21
We just lived through 4 years of it shelshaw Feb 2022 #22
If the russian agent orange invaded Canada & threatened nukes if anyone tried to stop him yaesu Feb 2022 #26
There's A Lot RobinA Feb 2022 #53
first course of action anti stupid Feb 2022 #23
"Unfriendly actions" ??!!! Bayard Feb 2022 #25
We see a LOT of "unfriendly actions" from him in Ukraine these days... Justice matters. Feb 2022 #43
Sadam didn't have nukes. Big difference. nt SunSeeker Feb 2022 #46
I have believed from the start that putin has lost his mind. notinkansas Feb 2022 #27
Surrounded by big rigs. C Moon Feb 2022 #42
Hey, Putie! We've got them too. paleotn Feb 2022 #30
Wishful thinking. Socal31 Feb 2022 #39
Like the old Sting song, if the Russians love their children too. paleotn Feb 2022 #51
Aggressive statements! WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAA! LiberalLovinLug Feb 2022 #32
Good one Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Feb 2022 #41
ENOUGH. AngryOldDem Feb 2022 #33
I think that the best hope might be the Uber rich Oligarchs around Putin to do something permanent. mackdaddy Feb 2022 #34
This has happened in the USA twice in my lifetime.... Mustellus Feb 2022 #35
"If I can't get my way no one can!!!!" Pooty Poop Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Feb 2022 #40
I think this was timed for the UN meeting tomorrow. EndlessWire Feb 2022 #45
How is repeatedly threatening the West with nukes over the last week not an "aggressive statement"? SunSeeker Feb 2022 #47
This nuke talk shows just how paranoid/pathetic he is. moriah Feb 2022 #49
Which way is the wind blowing? Sparky 1 Feb 2022 #52
No one wants to see nuclear war, but... AntiFascist Feb 2022 #54

EarthFirst

(2,904 posts)
7. As serious as this is...
Sun Feb 27, 2022, 10:00 AM
Feb 2022

This underscores how badly the Russian military is being defeated.

This is the last vestiges of a madman unable to control his military campaign.

Lonestarblue

(10,063 posts)
10. Putin has no way to save face after his disastrous decision to invade Ukraine.
Sun Feb 27, 2022, 10:09 AM
Feb 2022

So now he’s ratcheting up the rhetoric. The question is the same I had when Trump was president. If he orders a nuclear launch, will the military do it? Or, will that be the final straw that results in a military coup in Russia to get rid of the madman? Putin is obviously destabilizing his own country with his illegal war on Ukraine. Are his oligarchs and military leaders willing to follow his every order, even if it destroys their own country? So far, the US and NATO are not actively fighting Russian troops in Ukraine. A nuclear attack will change that calculation quickly, and the generals know that the West has as much nuclear capability as they do. Combined, NATO and the US have a lot of non-nuclear firepower as well.

Putin has been in power too long, and his corruption and derangement are now jeopardizing Russia’s future. Time for some other Russian leaders to be brave and remove him from office.

Cheezoholic

(2,030 posts)
15. The biggest difference between dRumf and putrid
Sun Feb 27, 2022, 10:23 AM
Feb 2022

when it comes to whether the military would execute nuclear orders is putrid has had over 20 years to place like minded wack jobs in charge of the military whereas dRumf did not. Something to ponder.

JohnSJ

(92,381 posts)
17. It is an illusion to think that if he orders a nuclear launch that his military won't do it
Sun Feb 27, 2022, 10:24 AM
Feb 2022

The U.S. needs to make it very clear that if he does that, Russia will suffer unimaginable consequences for any action that uses nuclear weapons

samsingh

(17,601 posts)
13. the madman may launch nukes based on some imaginary grievance
Sun Feb 27, 2022, 10:10 AM
Feb 2022

i hope defense systems can intercept the stray nuke.

Socal31

(2,484 posts)
38. Ummm.
Sun Feb 27, 2022, 01:31 PM
Feb 2022

Umm...

If Russia launches a first strike, you die that day or starve 2 weeks later.

This needs to stop and now.

JohnSJ

(92,381 posts)
14. It is really time for China to step up to the plate and let this madman know that they will not
Sun Feb 27, 2022, 10:18 AM
Feb 2022

support Russia

thucythucy

(8,086 posts)
18. The leadership in China may love the idea of an actual shooting war
Sun Feb 27, 2022, 10:26 AM
Feb 2022

between Putin and the West.

I keep posting this but it bears repeating-- there is a long-standing dispute between China and Russia over their shared border separating Manchuria and Siberia. In the 1970s there were armed clashes along that frontier.

Putin's move into Ukraine may have disastrous consequences along Russia's eastern borders.

Rural_Progressive

(1,107 posts)
37. Yes and no
Sun Feb 27, 2022, 12:45 PM
Feb 2022

No because China really doesn't want the world destabilized in a non-controlled manner. Not good for business.

Yes because China has been salivating over all the area Russia has for them to move into not to mention the vast wealth of natural resources they would love to control and exploit.

How do those two feelings resolve themselves? I haven't a f*cking idea, way above my pay grade.

Tree Lady

(11,488 posts)
44. China gets most of their money from us
Sun Feb 27, 2022, 02:43 PM
Feb 2022

We but a ton of stuff made there. They would collapse financially without us buying from them and employing a great deal of their people.

SWBTATTReg

(22,158 posts)
16. I suspect that bringing these nuclear forces up in status preparation (a higher level of readiness)
Sun Feb 27, 2022, 10:24 AM
Feb 2022

will probably cause more problems than anticipated by Russia, being if they have had so many issues w/ a relatively simple invasion of a neighboring Country (Ukraine), such as tanks running out of gas, etc.

One would have to look and see where these supply and other issues are occurring, that is, why isn't there enough gas? I suspect probably being (or was) ripped off by the 3% of the top Russian elite that surround putin. Of course, I want to give far more credit to the Ukrainian Forces who are doing remarkably well, considering that a lot of people were writing them off already in early days.

Nuclear arms are very technical in nature, by their very nature, and I suspect that the overall maintenance and supporting equipment such as trucks, tools, special storage facilities, protection of such devices and / or equipment, etc. used with these weapons, was probably an easy target too, for the grifters that surround putin and his pathetic and greedy grifters. This is all my conjecture, for it makes sense in a way, that so much money was out there on the table for these people (and putin) to not resist doing a little stealing.

Of course, putin is way over-reacting and I think he's doing it to 'scare' the West from the surprisingly, unified front now aligned up against him and his reckless behavior. And of course, Pres. Biden isn't out there pounding the war drums, or anything like that. He's being Presidential, whereas tfg, is totally NOT being presidential, and who is looking more and more like a mistake of the generations in being elected a president of the U.S.

 

marie999

(3,334 posts)
24. He has a lot more tactical nuclear weapons than NATO.
Sun Feb 27, 2022, 10:50 AM
Feb 2022

If he will use one against Ukraine, NATO should be ready for him to use them against some NATO countries. The only thing then is for the Russian military to assassinate him. Anything less could start WWIII.

yaesu

(8,020 posts)
21. So what does happen when a leader of a nuclear superpower becomes unhinged? How will
Sun Feb 27, 2022, 10:36 AM
Feb 2022

the US & NATO deal with it? Targeted assassination?

yaesu

(8,020 posts)
26. If the russian agent orange invaded Canada & threatened nukes if anyone tried to stop him
Sun Feb 27, 2022, 11:03 AM
Feb 2022

that would be a closer example. Maybe if tRump had dictatorship power over all government & military he would have helped pooty invade Ukraine, that wouldn't surprise me.

anti stupid

(83 posts)
23. first course of action
Sun Feb 27, 2022, 10:50 AM
Feb 2022

Broadcast this message from Putin and use it to show how insane this guy is. Second course of action let the Russian people know that if Putin uses nuclear weapons there will be an equally appropriate response. Third ... keep calm and carry on and let the Russians continue to dig themselves into a hole that they will want to get out of. Fourth to find a way to let the Russians get out of the hole without looking inferior to save face. 5th Return to the status quo in Ukraine as much as possible. 6. Strengthen Natos defensive capabilities

Bayard

(22,143 posts)
25. "Unfriendly actions" ??!!!
Sun Feb 27, 2022, 10:58 AM
Feb 2022

What can you even say to that? Hitting him personally in the pocket seems to be working, along with--they're saying mean things about me!

Justice matters.

(6,941 posts)
43. We see a LOT of "unfriendly actions" from him in Ukraine these days...
Sun Feb 27, 2022, 02:38 PM
Feb 2022

Too bad we can't kick him out of Ukraine the way we kicked Saddam out of Kuwait.

notinkansas

(1,096 posts)
27. I have believed from the start that putin has lost his mind.
Sun Feb 27, 2022, 11:19 AM
Feb 2022

Given that he seems to be making preparations to use nuclear weapons, is anybody else concerned about having nearly all of our government in one building for the state of the union address? Seems like it would be a good time for a virtual address.

He's crazy. Crazy enough to make good on his nuclear threats? I suspect nobody knows. It might just be all insane bluster.

There has to be somebody in Russia who will stop this madman.

paleotn

(17,947 posts)
30. Hey, Putie! We've got them too.
Sun Feb 27, 2022, 11:49 AM
Feb 2022

In various MIRVs, there's several warheads with your name stenciled on them.

sort of.

Like there were layers of checks and balances between Orange Mussolini and our nuclear deterrent, the same applies to Russia. I doubt seriously the Russian power structure would allow a first strike.

paleotn

(17,947 posts)
51. Like the old Sting song, if the Russians love their children too.
Sun Feb 27, 2022, 07:49 PM
Feb 2022

They do. Self preservation keeps us safe to a great extent. They don't want themselves or their families to die. And they know they most certainly will if they do a first strike. The whole point of MAD.

AngryOldDem

(14,061 posts)
33. ENOUGH.
Sun Feb 27, 2022, 12:01 PM
Feb 2022

Take him out. Christ knows we’ve done that with much less dangerous dictators.

I think we all know where this is headed. That fucker would not think twice about a preemptive strike.

I had a bad feeling when he moved those flamethowers into Ukraine yesterday.

mackdaddy

(1,528 posts)
34. I think that the best hope might be the Uber rich Oligarchs around Putin to do something permanent.
Sun Feb 27, 2022, 12:06 PM
Feb 2022

Putin has shared the Billions in spoils with this group, but he has already made it difficult to spend the money they do have, and Billions do not do you any good if you are dead. Or vaporized in a mushroom cloud.

This group would be way better off seeing that the one guy takes a flight off a 20 story balcony, or has a salt shaker of Polonium or maybe a Novochuk aftershave.

They could claim it was all the crazy guy, have the sanctions removed and resume their quiet decadent grifting lifestyles as parasites of the Russian people.

Mustellus

(328 posts)
35. This has happened in the USA twice in my lifetime....
Sun Feb 27, 2022, 12:28 PM
Feb 2022

First under Nixon, where Kissinger and Haig and others discretely told the military to check with them before carrying out any ... dramatic .. orders.

The second recently, when Kelly and Esper and all the Joint Chiefs swamped the military with reminders that our oath was to the Constitution, not any one person. (I was there. Two, three emails a week. Didn't even know I was on the friends list of the General of the Air Force. )

This means Putin is out of options. And his subordinates, military, oligarch, whatever are going to start contemplating swallowing a defeat in Ukraine to preserve Mother Russia.

EndlessWire

(6,564 posts)
45. I think this was timed for the UN meeting tomorrow.
Sun Feb 27, 2022, 02:51 PM
Feb 2022

I think he thought that Ukraine would fold, and that things would be controllable according to HIS time table. I don't think he ever thought that Ukraine would show citizens on TV how to make a molotov cocktail (ironically named after a Russian,) or fight to the death with every last man, woman, and child.

Now, he can't keep up. And, tomorrow, that entire UN General Assembly with 193 members, plus maybe the Holy See and Palestine, are going to show up and say very nasty things to the Ambassador. Maybe even kick Russia out!

It is a sobering thought.

Russian Warmonger, go f*ck yourself!

Ukraine,

moriah

(8,311 posts)
49. This nuke talk shows just how paranoid/pathetic he is.
Sun Feb 27, 2022, 03:47 PM
Feb 2022

I don't like when anybody does that in politics, but especially not a country nibbling on its neighbor because its leader has never recognized it as independent of a past empire.

Yes, we will do everything that doesn't involve our own boots on the ground/stuff in the air aggressively to help Ukraine defend itself/get Russia to stop, and the economic situation must be hurting right now for Putin to go there.

But nobody wants nukes to go off, so I wish this would go a little less like the start of Threads (just substituting which country Russia was nibbling at after helping overthrow -- in this case only local by recognizing the smaller areas -- government). There are so many that didn't grow up with bomb drills that we knew were pointless anyway -- they don't have those memories.

So the fact he started out preparing his people for him to wave this around, and has now escalated that further... it really shows how weak he is as a leader, at least to me. He could quit this anytime he chooses. He doesn't need to throw around the idea of bombs going off.

AntiFascist

(12,792 posts)
54. No one wants to see nuclear war, but...
Mon Feb 28, 2022, 02:00 PM
Feb 2022

I wonder how many Russians, at this point, would like to see the Kremlin obliterated?
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