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groundloop

(11,527 posts)
Tue May 3, 2022, 01:27 PM May 2022

Collins calls draft Roe opinion 'completely inconsistent' with what Gorsuch and Kavanaugh said .....

Source: CNN

Full Headline: Collins calls draft Roe opinion 'completely inconsistent' with what Gorsuch and Kavanaugh said during hearings and meetings







GOP Sen. Susan Collins said on Tuesday that a Supreme Court draft opinion that would overturn Roe v. Wade published by Politico was "completely inconsistent" with what Justice Neil Gorsuch and Justice Brett Kavanaugh "said in their hearings and in our meetings in my office."

"If this leaked draft opinion is the final decision and this reporting is accurate, it would be completely inconsistent with what Justice Gorsuch and Justice Kavanaugh said in their hearings and in our meetings in my office," Collins said in a statement. "Obviously, we won't know each Justice's decision and reasoning until the Supreme Court officially announces its opinion in this case."

Asked if she was misled by Kavanaugh, Collins told CNN, "My statement speaks for itself."

[snip]

"I have always been concerned about preserving Roe v. Wade," Collins said then, adding that Kavanaugh had given her assurances during his confirmation process that the landmark opinion was safe.


Read more: https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/03/politics/susan-collins-reaction-kavanaugh-gorsuch/index.html

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Collins calls draft Roe opinion 'completely inconsistent' with what Gorsuch and Kavanaugh said ..... (Original Post) groundloop May 2022 OP
She really needs to come up with another word other than "concerned" AZSkiffyGeek May 2022 #1
I'd say they made her look like an idiot but she didn't need them to do that! 50 Shades Of Blue May 2022 #2
They're conservative. They lie. Including you, Collins. C_U_L8R May 2022 #3
Exactly. Trust_Reality May 2022 #14
Good elleng May 2022 #4
Fuck you, Susan, you spineless piece of shit. -nt CrispyQ May 2022 #5
👆👆👆 Rebl2 May 2022 #54
Susan Collins is either a lying sack of sh!t or the dumbest senator after Ron Johnson. Ray Bruns May 2022 #6
Yep, either very stupid or a damn liar. Irish_Dem May 2022 #10
I'd say both. ananda May 2022 #16
Yes a stupid liar. I agree. Irish_Dem May 2022 #20
Maybe she'll get indignant. n/t Eyeball_Kid May 2022 #64
Duh! Who could've guessed that ashredux May 2022 #7
Post removed Post removed May 2022 #8
I wonder if she knows how clueless she sounds. shrike3 May 2022 #9
she is the MOMFUDSKI May 2022 #11
So is she going to introduce articles of impeachment for them lying to the Senate? mackdaddy May 2022 #12
For any atonement at all, Collins and Murkowski MUST switch parties NOW .. and, Bo Zarts May 2022 #13
Collins has spent her life at a high level of politics. She knew the score all along. Midnight Writer May 2022 #15
EXACTLY RIGHT...... She'll say whatever it takes to get reelected. groundloop May 2022 #43
'Sorry, my bad' isn't enough. nt wiggs May 2022 #17
I wouldn't be surprised if she lost her last election IronLionZion May 2022 #18
Well, Susan, your voting record has been consistent..of course, always on the asiliveandbreathe May 2022 #19
Shazaam! "You fucked up Flounder. You trusted us..." Boy does she look like an imbecile (again) Evolve Dammit May 2022 #21
Oh dear. I'm so concerned that she was lied to. Autumn May 2022 #22
Let's see her act on her "concern" by voting to change the filibuster rule infullview May 2022 #23
"Completely inconsistent is republicanese for what anyone with a brain would substitute justhanginon May 2022 #24
Senator, are you saying these Supreme Court Justices LIED TO CONGRESS? bucolic_frolic May 2022 #25
Is lying during a confirmation hearing grounds to impeach? Liberty Belle May 2022 #26
Nah. They Left Plenty Of Room To Weasel... GB_RN May 2022 #53
That's EXACTLY the point of acknowledging that it's settled law. Ursus Rex May 2022 #67
Oh she's doing a Homer Simpson "Doh!" N/t LiberatedUSA May 2022 #27
Susan Collins is lying through her teeth. lark May 2022 #28
Well Susie,... LudwigPastorius May 2022 #29
Ccollins, you fucking idiot, haven't you been paying attention since the late 70s? Warpy May 2022 #30
Well, shit. Now I'm fucking concerned. NewHendoLib May 2022 #31
But not inconsistent with her being a gullible thug who doesn't give a shit about this country. NNadir May 2022 #32
she is so gullible I am surprised she doesn't own 2 Brooklyn Bridges rurallib May 2022 #45
Message auto-removed Name removed May 2022 #33
perhaps a bit snarky, but remiscient of Biden on authorization for Iraq War cloudythescribbler May 2022 #34
As if anything said by this ignorant, gullible old cow is of any interest to me. (nt) Paladin May 2022 #35
What would expect from Natural Born Liars ? BarbaRosa May 2022 #36
How concerned are you, Susan? AZLD4Candidate May 2022 #37
If I remember correctly... WinstonSmith4740 May 2022 #50
F that scab UT_democrat May 2022 #38
Oh my - imagine that... BlueIdaho May 2022 #39
Collins' best scenario. Marcuse May 2022 #40
The old saying, Susan. hamsterjill May 2022 #41
This is the Onion, right? elias7 May 2022 #42
Dear concern senator.....really...... you marched lock step with fascist..... turbinetree May 2022 #44
So, is she going to vote to make Roe v. Wade federal law? 33taw May 2022 #46
I Remember When... ruet May 2022 #47
Oh, Susan, Susan, Susan lees1975 May 2022 #48
Lying handmaid. FU 58Sunliner May 2022 #49
Aunt Lydia hamsterjill May 2022 #51
Now tell us ..."they have learned their lessons" Alien Life Form May 2022 #52
Vote her out! minstrel76 May 2022 #55
"Says the Senator who cast the deciding vote for Kavanaugh." - Tara Setmayer DinahMoeHum May 2022 #56
You know who the only person in this country who is surprised by this is? 2Gingersnaps May 2022 #57
Pathetic that so-called "pro-choice" Senator Collins didn't see through their lies LetMyPeopleVote May 2022 #58
Too little, too late. Joinfortmill May 2022 #59
I'm sure she's very extremely concerned about this 0rganism May 2022 #60
Oh mercy me Wicked Blue May 2022 #61
She's an idiot whining she got "lied to" by her buds BradAllison May 2022 #62
Wow! Hawley and I are in agreement rpannier May 2022 #63
She got a lesson in trust, or the lack thereof, in her party lees1975 May 2022 #65
She actually used that word? treestar May 2022 #66

Ray Bruns

(4,116 posts)
6. Susan Collins is either a lying sack of sh!t or the dumbest senator after Ron Johnson.
Tue May 3, 2022, 01:30 PM
May 2022

I prefer to believe the former. Not that she gives a damn.

Response to groundloop (Original post)

mackdaddy

(1,528 posts)
12. So is she going to introduce articles of impeachment for them lying to the Senate?
Tue May 3, 2022, 01:37 PM
May 2022

Or maybe refer them to the DOJ for lying under oath?

Some of us are concerned.....

Bo Zarts

(25,405 posts)
13. For any atonement at all, Collins and Murkowski MUST switch parties NOW .. and,
Tue May 3, 2022, 01:40 PM
May 2022

Fully support .. 100%, not 98% .. any expansion of the Supreme Court, AND any attempt to impeach certain members of the SC who lied under oath at their confirmation hearings.

IronLionZion

(45,550 posts)
18. I wouldn't be surprised if she lost her last election
Tue May 3, 2022, 01:44 PM
May 2022

She was behind in the polls and then had an upset victory. Many of us were sure that seat would flip to blue. Very mysterious.

asiliveandbreathe

(8,203 posts)
19. Well, Susan, your voting record has been consistent..of course, always on the
Tue May 3, 2022, 01:45 PM
May 2022

wrong side of history..INCONSISTENT you say..let's try this "THEY LIED TO YOU and the American People.. MISS SO SMART..KNOW NOTHING ..concern ain't cuttin' it anymore..

Hey hey, Ho ho, Collins got to go!!!! She has absolutely NO integrity..

Evolve Dammit

(16,781 posts)
21. Shazaam! "You fucked up Flounder. You trusted us..." Boy does she look like an imbecile (again)
Tue May 3, 2022, 01:45 PM
May 2022

a "deeply concerned" imbecile. Perhaps a sternly worded letter? Nah, she's good with it.

justhanginon

(3,290 posts)
24. "Completely inconsistent is republicanese for what anyone with a brain would substitute
Tue May 3, 2022, 01:50 PM
May 2022

the words; "they f'ing lied to congress and should be impeached".

GB_RN

(2,391 posts)
53. Nah. They Left Plenty Of Room To Weasel...
Tue May 3, 2022, 05:29 PM
May 2022

Saying they believe it’s settled precedent or they believe in stare decisis isn’t the same thing as explicitly stating under oath, “I won’t vote to overturn Roe.” The two former statements let you THINK that’s what they said, when they said no such thing.

Ursus Rex

(149 posts)
67. That's EXACTLY the point of acknowledging that it's settled law.
Thu May 5, 2022, 01:46 PM
May 2022

"I never said I wouldn't CHANGE it."

lark

(23,163 posts)
28. Susan Collins is lying through her teeth.
Tue May 3, 2022, 02:04 PM
May 2022

She damn well fucking knew this would happen and she was ok with voting for them because she herself is a liar and cares not one whit that working class/poor women now have no bodily integrity. We are mere chatel for the white man's seed and have no other worth - just ask the 6 SCOTUS's. I specially hate the liars Comey Barrett & Kavanaugh, they both lied to Congress and should be immediately impeached - except for the DINOS Mancin and Sienema who don't care about anything except their money from the rw donors

I hate them all, they are destroying the lives of so many women and this is just the start. Next they will come for contraception and marriage rights and turn us in fact into a Christofascist country. That is their true goal - ruling by the rich white males and no rights for poor/working class/minorities or women.

Warpy

(111,367 posts)
30. Ccollins, you fucking idiot, haven't you been paying attention since the late 70s?
Tue May 3, 2022, 02:07 PM
May 2022

Religious nutball priests and preachers have given Republicans carte blanche to lie, cheat, steal, and do whatever else they can do to seize power so they can put women back into slavery.

Fuck you, Collins, for being totally ignorant and unqualified for any and all paid work and fuck the people who put you into office,

To hell with the lot of you, the hell your ignorance and stupidity and lack of interest in the world around you have put women into.

NNadir

(33,564 posts)
32. But not inconsistent with her being a gullible thug who doesn't give a shit about this country.
Tue May 3, 2022, 02:10 PM
May 2022

Thanks Maine!

Response to groundloop (Original post)

cloudythescribbler

(2,586 posts)
34. perhaps a bit snarky, but remiscient of Biden on authorization for Iraq War
Tue May 3, 2022, 02:25 PM
May 2022

Clearly, in both cases, they were voting for what the reactionary Republicans did, and their belief is about as reasonable as Charlie Brown & the football

WinstonSmith4740

(3,059 posts)
50. If I remember correctly...
Tue May 3, 2022, 04:40 PM
May 2022
"I have always been concerned about preserving Roe v. Wade,"

She was VERY concerned. I think she even furrowed her brow.

hamsterjill

(15,224 posts)
41. The old saying, Susan.
Tue May 3, 2022, 03:17 PM
May 2022

It’s better to remain silent and THOUGHT a fool, than to speak up and remove all doubt.

She’s not naive. She’s just hoping everybody likes her.

This is on her!

turbinetree

(24,720 posts)
44. Dear concern senator.....really...... you marched lock step with fascist.....
Tue May 3, 2022, 03:38 PM
May 2022

you have no concern you are and always will be someone that puts party of country .......your votes prove that .....go away you already have caused so much damage........

ruet

(10,039 posts)
47. I Remember When...
Tue May 3, 2022, 04:01 PM
May 2022
Stone on Roberts, Alito, and stare decisis

In their Senate confirmation hearings, John Roberts and Samuel Alito cast themselves as first-rate lawyers, as masters of legal craftsmanship who are committed to the principle of stare decisis -- the principle that justices must follow precedent in an honest and forthright manner.

John Roberts assured the Senate Judiciary Committee that judges must "be bound down by rules and precedents." Invoking Alexander Hamilton and James Madison, he affirmed that "the founders appreciated the role of precedent in promoting evenhandedness, predictability, stability," and "integrity in the judicial process." Although acknowledging that it is sometimes necessary for judges to reconsider precedents, he stressed that this should be reserved for exceptional circumstances, where a decision has proved clearly "unworkable" over time. But in general, "a sound judicial philosophy should reflect recognition of the fact that the judge operates within a system of rules developed over the years by other judges equally striving to live up to the judicial oath."

Similarly, Samuel Alito testified to the Senate that the doctrine of stare decisis is "a fundamental part of our legal system." This principle, he explained, "limits the power of the judiciary" and "reflects the view that courts should respect the judgments and the wisdom that are embodied in prior judicial decisions." Stare decisis, he added, is "not an inexorable command," but there must be a strong "resumption that courts are going to follow prior precedents."

It is hardly surprising that Roberts and Alito would pay such obeisance to the doctrine of stare decisis in order to get themselves confirmed. Stare decisis is, after all, the bedrock principle of the rule of law. Not only does it promote stability and encourage judges to decide cases based on principle rather than on a preference for one or another of the parties before them, but it also serves importantly to reduce the politicization of the court. It moderates ideological swings and preserves both the appearance and the reality that the Supreme Court is truly a legal rather than a political institution.

lees1975

(3,888 posts)
48. Oh, Susan, Susan, Susan
Tue May 3, 2022, 04:16 PM
May 2022

You were certainly not naive enough to believe that their assurances to you, in order to get your confirmation vote, were truthful, were you?

Glad to see that there's still enough integrity there for you not to fold up, but to call them on it. At least the media has the means to hold their feet to the fire.

Alien Life Form

(370 posts)
52. Now tell us ..."they have learned their lessons"
Tue May 3, 2022, 04:52 PM
May 2022

Just like what you said about Trump the lesson being that lying carries no consequences,

DinahMoeHum

(21,812 posts)
56. "Says the Senator who cast the deciding vote for Kavanaugh." - Tara Setmayer
Tue May 3, 2022, 06:21 PM
May 2022

"Forgive me if I don't give a damn what Collins thinks."




rpannier

(24,341 posts)
63. Wow! Hawley and I are in agreement
Tue May 3, 2022, 11:36 PM
May 2022

We both think she knew
She's now trying to save face
But, let's give her the benefit of that doubt
That means she got played by Trump, Gorsuch and Kavanaugh
Doesn't say much for her now, does it?

treestar

(82,383 posts)
66. She actually used that word?
Wed May 4, 2022, 05:36 AM
May 2022

I thought it might be satire when I read that word.

She should know about the memes and jokes about her and concern.

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