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Judi Lynn

(160,588 posts)
Tue May 17, 2022, 08:38 AM May 2022

FBI Records Reveal Matt Gaetz Was in Chaos Mode as Scandal Broke

Source: Daily Beast

Roger Sollenberger - 4h ago

Fifteen minutes before Rep. Matt Gaetz (R-FL) was due to go on Tucker Carlson’s Fox News show on March 30, 2021—hours after a bombshell report that he was under investigation for allegedly sex trafficking a minor—Gaetz was shouting, repeatedly, at FBI agents in his family home.
“Do you have a warrant to be here?” Gaetz yelled, according to an FBI report of the event obtained by The Daily Beast.

But as adversarial as Gaetz was in those moments, the agents weren’t after him. They were actually there to help him, and his father, who had been cooperating with the FBI for several days in a sting operation that Gaetz claimed on live TV minutes later would clear his name.

This scene and others are detailed in previously unreported documents that shine new light on the sting operation, which Gaetz helped orchestrate in the frenzied days before The New York Times published the explosive report that changed the Panhandle congressman’s public and political life.

The documents, in possession of federal prosecutors and obtained exclusively by The Daily Beast, confirm parts of the story of international intrigue and attempted fraud that Gaetz described to Carlson minutes after the agents left his home. But the records also contradict fundamental claims in Gaetz’s version of events, raising new questions about the congressman’s own role in the sting, as well as when and why he began to cooperate with the feds.

Read more: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/fbi-records-reveal-matt-gaetz-was-in-chaos-mode-as-scandal-broke/ar-AAXmJIx?cvid=4823c552f6664d89b52977d86ba7d399

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FBI Records Reveal Matt Gaetz Was in Chaos Mode as Scandal Broke (Original Post) Judi Lynn May 2022 OP
And what's become of this scandal? greenjar_01 May 2022 #1
The basic problem... Effete Snob May 2022 #2
Don't they already have proof of him paying the girl? And traveling with her? oldsoftie May 2022 #10
Like I said, it comes down to specifics Effete Snob May 2022 #14
In other words, arrrggghhhh! oldsoftie May 2022 #18
Greenberg already has a plea deal, and his sentencing date has been delayed Fiendish Thingy May 2022 #5
Ah, still waiting for some other reason, I suppose greenjar_01 May 2022 #6
At this point, you'd think there would be enough evidence to arrest Gaetz. crickets May 2022 #8
Perhaps it's not just Gaetz that Greenberg is giving evidence on. Fiendish Thingy May 2022 #11
still no charges for the rich white male samsingh May 2022 #3
Who was this sting operation going after? KS Toronado May 2022 #4
So the solution? Let him off the hook NewHendoLib May 2022 #7
Blackmailed by weaponized truth? Marcuse May 2022 #9
All of these really bad and corrupt political actors nevergiveup May 2022 #12
An FBI investigation doesn't mean what it once did. sop May 2022 #13
Such investigations and proceedings... Wuddles440 May 2022 #17
I want him in chaos mode when he's frog marched in chains. n/t aggiesal May 2022 #15
Chaos and five head is still in Congress. A different set of rules for Republicans. sarcasmo May 2022 #16
Gosh. Why would the FBI want to help Gaetz? Kid Berwyn May 2022 #19
Wasn't there a confession letter? 867-5309. May 2022 #20
 

greenjar_01

(6,477 posts)
1. And what's become of this scandal?
Tue May 17, 2022, 08:40 AM
May 2022

He's still a Congressperson, yeah?

We still waiting for the "wingman" to turn state's?

 

Effete Snob

(8,387 posts)
2. The basic problem...
Tue May 17, 2022, 08:43 AM
May 2022

...is that someone needs to come up with evidence that Matt Gaetz did something illegal, as opposed to merely being around people who were doing illegal things.

The other problem is that if he was cooperating in the investigation of this ginned-up "blackmail" thing, then it can muddy the waters in relation to what evidence might be usable against him.

oldsoftie

(12,577 posts)
10. Don't they already have proof of him paying the girl? And traveling with her?
Tue May 17, 2022, 11:33 AM
May 2022

Aren't both of those things, with a minor, felonies?

 

Effete Snob

(8,387 posts)
14. Like I said, it comes down to specifics
Tue May 17, 2022, 11:54 AM
May 2022

In all of the Gaetz threads, there is a wealth of vague impressions about what "they" have.

Several things are relevant.

First, having sex with an underage person is not a federal crime. The FBI would not be investigating that per se. Also "underage" varies by jurisdiction. In Washington, DC, for example, it is not a crime of any kind for a an adult to engage in sexual conduct with a minor age 16 and up.

It is not illegal to pay someone. It is not illegal to have sex with someone. It is, again a state crime, to pay someone to have sex. However, you have to prove that is what the payment was for. If someone is paid to attend a party, and ends up having sex with someone at the party, then you are going to have a really difficult time proving that anyone paid anyone to have sex.

About the only relevant federal crime in all of that is the Mann Act, which criminalizes the transport of women across state lines for the purpose of prostitution.

Again, you run into the same sort of intent and purpose problem with that because, again, just because someone is being transported and/or paid, and ends up having sex with someone, does not mean they were transported across state lines for the purpose of prostitution.

Finally, it is indeed possible to structure one's activities carefully. If you, my friend, line up some persons who are willing to attend a party, and I end up having sex with any of them, I have not engaged in either the solicitation or payment for prostitution. Some of the activities alleged in the Gaetz stuff appears to be along those lines.

So, be specific. What is the sequence of acts for which Matt Gaetz should be charged with a federal crime, and where have these facts been laid out?

Fiendish Thingy

(15,644 posts)
5. Greenberg already has a plea deal, and his sentencing date has been delayed
Tue May 17, 2022, 10:52 AM
May 2022

At the request of the feds because they say he is providing more and more information.

crickets

(25,981 posts)
8. At this point, you'd think there would be enough evidence to arrest Gaetz.
Tue May 17, 2022, 11:22 AM
May 2022

Either they have it or they don't. I don't even see how the lame 'going after the big fish' argument would apply. If there is any 'there' there, and it seems like there is, it's disgusting that Gaetz is still in office and walking around free after more than a year has gone by since this became public.

Fiendish Thingy

(15,644 posts)
11. Perhaps it's not just Gaetz that Greenberg is giving evidence on.
Tue May 17, 2022, 11:35 AM
May 2022

Again, it’s the feds who have requested the delay because Greenberg keeps giving them more valuable information.

KS Toronado

(17,284 posts)
4. Who was this sting operation going after?
Tue May 17, 2022, 10:15 AM
May 2022

Jeffery Epstein or Agolf Twitler ? Sure hope this doesn't let Gaetz off the hook for his misdeeds.

nevergiveup

(4,762 posts)
12. All of these really bad and corrupt political actors
Tue May 17, 2022, 11:37 AM
May 2022

hire the most expensive and knowledgeable attorneys who know how to work and manipulate the system. Like most of these actors Matt Gaetz will likely skate.

sop

(10,221 posts)
13. An FBI investigation doesn't mean what it once did.
Tue May 17, 2022, 11:48 AM
May 2022

Neither do congressional subpoenas, grand juries, contempt of court citations, DOJ referrals or even impeachment proceedings. It's all a farce.

Wuddles440

(1,123 posts)
17. Such investigations and proceedings...
Tue May 17, 2022, 12:26 PM
May 2022

are only a concern if you're not a member of the GQP cult.

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