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mahatmakanejeeves

(57,459 posts)
Mon Jun 27, 2022, 10:49 AM Jun 2022

Clarence Thomas signals interest in making it easier to sue media

Source: The Hill

COURT BATTLES

Clarence Thomas signals interest in making it easier to sue media

BY JOHN KRUZEL AND HARPER NEIDIG - 06/27/22 9:42 AM ET

Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas on Monday expressed a desire to revisit a landmark 1964 ruling that makes it relatively difficult to bring successful lawsuits against media outlets for defamation. ... Thomas’s statement came in response to the court’s decision to turn away an appeal from a Christian nonprofit group who disputed their characterization by the civil rights watchdog group Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC). ... Coral Ridge Ministries Media sued the SPLC for defamation for listing them as a hate group on their public database, which led to Amazon excluding Coral Ridge as a recipient of charitable contributions from online shoppers.

Thomas dissented from the Supreme Court’s decision not to hear the lawsuit, which had been dismissed by lower courts for failing to overcome the decades-old legal standard, established in the landmark 1964 New York Times v. Sullivan decision, that public figures who sue for defamation must not only prove defendants made defamatory statements, but that those statements were made with “actual malice.” ... “This case is one of many showing how New York Times and its progeny have allowed media organizations and interest groups ‘to cast false aspersions on public figures with near impunity,’” Thomas wrote.

“SPLC’s ‘hate group’ designation lumped Coral Ridge’s Christian ministry with groups like the Ku Klux Klan and Neo-Nazis,” the justice added. “It placed Coral Ridge on an interactive, online ‘Hate Map’ and caused Coral Ridge concrete financial injury by excluding it from the AmazonSmile donation program. Nonetheless, unable to satisfy the ‘almost impossible’ actual-malice standard this Court has imposed, Coral Ridge could not hold SPLC to account for what it maintains is a blatant falsehood.”

It’s not the first time Thomas has called for revisiting the actual malice standard, which many journalists and free speech advocates see as a fundamental protection for reporting on public figures. ... Last year, he dissented in another instance where the Supreme Court declined to take up a defamation case that had been stymied by the 1964 precedent.

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Read more: https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/3538084-clarence-thomas-signals-interest-in-making-it-easier-to-sue-media/



Hat tip, Joe.My.God.

Thomas Signals Interest In Making It Easier To Sue The Media As SCOTUS Rejects Suit From Florida Hate Group
June 27, 2022

https://www.joemygod.com/2022/06/thomas-signals-interest-in-making-it-easier-to-sue-media-after-scotus-rejects-suit-from-fl-hate-group/
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Clarence Thomas signals interest in making it easier to sue media (Original Post) mahatmakanejeeves Jun 2022 OP
America's putin PortTack Jun 2022 #1
Lachlan Murdoch... get ready to live in Courthouses!! Justice matters. Jun 2022 #2
Clarence will grant FOX News exclusive immunity, just like Congress did with the gun industry. sop Jun 2022 #5
and his opinion llashram Jun 2022 #3
Because his opinions could be law soon AllTooEasy Jun 2022 #30
I don't disagree with your point llashram Jun 2022 #41
This is more, be careful what you want for (Q) Thomas ... aggiesal Jun 2022 #4
Thomas is burning our democracy to the ground dlk Jun 2022 #6
his wife bdamomma Jun 2022 #10
Definitely dlk Jun 2022 #44
Definitely dlk Jun 2022 #47
He's signaled that for years. Sarah Palin's case is due to be appealed as well. Calista241 Jun 2022 #7
LooooLLLLL! Baitball Blogger Jun 2022 #8
+1 Cracklin Charlie Jun 2022 #14
Yep PatSeg Jun 2022 #17
Fuck that asshole. Prof. Toru Tanaka Jun 2022 #56
That would not work out well for the right-wing proganda machine RAB910 Jun 2022 #9
Clarence doesn't give a damn about Qualified Immunity, though. sop Jun 2022 #11
This is a money making scheme for Clarence & Ginni KS Toronado Jun 2022 #12
I thought he was still in the hospital? Cracklin Charlie Jun 2022 #13
Ummm inthewind21 Jun 2022 #62
Taking a wrecking ball to the whole Constitution, piece by piece bucolic_frolic Jun 2022 #15
What the hell? PatSeg Jun 2022 #16
Who died and made this asshole king? CanonRay Jun 2022 #18
Ginsburg AllTooEasy Jun 2022 #31
I see orangecrush Jun 2022 #38
For decades we barely heard from this lazy ass desk mammal Submariner Jun 2022 #19
He still rarely asks questions in oral argument, but he has long been known for writing onenote Jun 2022 #27
Clarence isn't the Justice Ginni is. redstatebluegirl Jun 2022 #20
Soooo... lonely bird Jun 2022 #21
How does a case where he couldn't get three other justices to support him make this his court? onenote Jun 2022 #29
It isn't the case lonely bird Jun 2022 #36
And what do those comments have to do with this case? onenote Jun 2022 #40
that was before barrett and cavanaugh SouthernDem4ever Jun 2022 #48
Again -- he couldn't get three justices to join him in voting to hear this case onenote Jun 2022 #51
The "Reality" is irrelevant lonely bird Jun 2022 #53
think he need's brain a check up ! cloudboy07 Jun 2022 #55
Disgusting marieo1 Jun 2022 #22
Dear Clarence; facts are not malice. dchill Jun 2022 #23
When is he going to get a terminal illness? LiberalFighter Jun 2022 #24
I liked it better when Clarence Thomas was silent. n/t malthaussen Jun 2022 #25
Yeah, why are we suddenly hearing from this perv, after decades of being Wingus Dingus Jun 2022 #28
You are mistaken onenote Jun 2022 #32
Still basically silent. malthaussen Jun 2022 #35
This one did. So did the one a year ago where he made the same argument. onenote Jun 2022 #37
What does "Ginni" want now? LogicFirst Jun 2022 #26
Interpretive law by Justice C. Thomas, SCOTUS 3825-87867 Jun 2022 #33
This a$$hole hasn't said boo for decades. AllyCat Jun 2022 #34
The complaining from the right about activist judges has stopped. Harker Jun 2022 #39
His opinion is about as welcome as that of Joe Manchin. Harker Jun 2022 #42
Ask Thomas if mixed race marriage is settled law. keithbvadu2 Jun 2022 #43
yes, how does he feel about precedent on that issue? SouthernDem4ever Jun 2022 #49
I'm certain he would have no trouble distinguishing Roe and Loving onenote Jun 2022 #52
After 30 yrs. Clarence has found his voice. Pity us. Joinfortmill Jun 2022 #45
Why does Uncle Clarence hate America? Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jun 2022 #46
Because we all would rather have had Anita Hill in his chair SouthernDem4ever Jun 2022 #50
Who is surprised by this? LetMyPeopleVote Jun 2022 #54
Can I signal interest in this ASSHOLE getting a LONG KARMA visit? Brainfodder Jun 2022 #57
The man is a fascist in a judge's robes. Martin68 Jun 2022 #58
ass YoshidaYui Jun 2022 #59
Get this MF off the SCOTUS onetexan Jun 2022 #60
Well, what do you expect? EndlessWire Jun 2022 #61
Easier to sue the media for words, impossible to sue the police for violating constitutional rights. NYC Liberal Jun 2022 #63

sop

(10,187 posts)
5. Clarence will grant FOX News exclusive immunity, just like Congress did with the gun industry.
Mon Jun 27, 2022, 10:55 AM
Jun 2022

OAN and Newsmax, too.

llashram

(6,265 posts)
3. and his opinion
Mon Jun 27, 2022, 10:54 AM
Jun 2022

is interesting to me why? F*** Clarence Thomas and Ginni can keep reserving her place in hell alongside her husband. Too much power and money in too few hands have helped to bring us to this point in history.

AllTooEasy

(1,260 posts)
30. Because his opinions could be law soon
Mon Jun 27, 2022, 11:44 AM
Jun 2022

I agree with you scorn for Thomas, but don't understand your lack of interest in his opinions. Interest in Thomas' opinions is equivalent to interest in the future of our legal standards, unfortunately now more than ever.

The SCOTUS can uphold or overturn any law or lower court decision. Anything the U.S. Supreme Court decides is final, regardless of what the POTUS, Congress, or majority of American people vote on or desire. The court is currently 6-3 conservative. Roberts used to have control, but Thomas and Alito control it now. Led by Thomas, the 5 staunch conservative justices (minus Roberts) have the ability and arguably the will to overturn Affirmative Action, contraceptives, Interracial marriage, Same-Sex marriage, all LGBTQ+ and Trans rights, Obamacare, ...shit, practically everything. Just as Roe v Wade was binding in all states, regardless of how dissenting states (ex. Texas) felt, so now is Dobbs v Jackson.

llashram

(6,265 posts)
41. I don't disagree with your point
Mon Jun 27, 2022, 12:13 PM
Jun 2022

the SC is ruined for a generation at least. And yes all you fear can and will come true if America's governance processes and judicial processes continue to turn to fascism as a path of social authority. All I can do is vote and try to change minds when confronted with people like c. thomas and ginni.

D.trump has shown me just how much hate for all the groups you mention and how much people will embrace fascism if presented in a manner that is 'palatable' to them. One where they can justify their hate because millions believe as they do. All my life I have lived with racism as one of my fears in a society where I have seen faces distorted by hate and have heard the virulently racist vitriol coming from the mouths. You are right all of the present generations are going to see Thomas and his chums on the SC and Roberts destroy our freedoms as Americans living in a democracy.

And now Dobbs v Jackson...we will see

aggiesal

(8,915 posts)
4. This is more, be careful what you want for (Q) Thomas ...
Mon Jun 27, 2022, 10:55 AM
Jun 2022

if this is allowed, we will sue FOX out of existence.

dlk

(11,566 posts)
6. Thomas is burning our democracy to the ground
Mon Jun 27, 2022, 10:55 AM
Jun 2022

Never mind stare decisive. He must be impeached while we still have any democracy left.

Calista241

(5,586 posts)
7. He's signaled that for years. Sarah Palin's case is due to be appealed as well.
Mon Jun 27, 2022, 10:58 AM
Jun 2022

We'll see if the Supremes take it.

Baitball Blogger

(46,715 posts)
8. LooooLLLLL!
Mon Jun 27, 2022, 11:00 AM
Jun 2022

He's so out of control. A very selective textualist.

I think he knows that his time is running out. Once Ginni Thomas is dealt with in the J6 Investigation, it won't take long to see how they had the same agenda and were part of something bigger.

Expect Clarence to resurrect cries of a high-tech lynching when justice comes for him.

sop

(10,187 posts)
11. Clarence doesn't give a damn about Qualified Immunity, though.
Mon Jun 27, 2022, 11:04 AM
Jun 2022

First created by the Supreme Court in 1967, qualified immunity is a legal shield that protects law enforcement officers, as well as other government employees, from being sued for violating a person's constitutional rights.

KS Toronado

(17,242 posts)
12. This is a money making scheme for Clarence & Ginni
Mon Jun 27, 2022, 11:05 AM
Jun 2022

They know they're going to be in the news a lot in the near future and it's going to be negative news.
Isn't there a law about using your government position to enrich yourself?

Cracklin Charlie

(12,904 posts)
13. I thought he was still in the hospital?
Mon Jun 27, 2022, 11:05 AM
Jun 2022

Funny how he can be well enough to make his revenge public, but “in the hospital” when it’s time to answer questions about his hate fest.

From The Hill. Can’t someone ask “The Hill” how that’s possible?

PatSeg

(47,458 posts)
16. What the hell?
Mon Jun 27, 2022, 11:09 AM
Jun 2022

Thirty years and barely a peep out Thomas and now he won't shut up! Maybe he has personal reasons for making it easier to sue the media.

Submariner

(12,504 posts)
19. For decades we barely heard from this lazy ass desk mammal
Mon Jun 27, 2022, 11:13 AM
Jun 2022

now he won't STFU from threatening Liberal establishment safe guards.

He'd should stick with his Coke can topped with pubic hair persona that we're used too.

onenote

(42,703 posts)
27. He still rarely asks questions in oral argument, but he has long been known for writing
Mon Jun 27, 2022, 11:39 AM
Jun 2022

more separate opinions (concurring or dissenting) than any of the other Justices.

redstatebluegirl

(12,265 posts)
20. Clarence isn't the Justice Ginni is.
Mon Jun 27, 2022, 11:13 AM
Jun 2022

All of this sounds like things she has been spewing for years. Clarence is just the mouthpiece for Ginni and her crazy supporters.

lonely bird

(1,685 posts)
21. Soooo...
Mon Jun 27, 2022, 11:18 AM
Jun 2022

When did this become the Thomas court? Roberts, mediocre hack that he is, has lost any control he might have had.

So much for justices allegedly being non-political. Of course, that was bullshit from the start.

Start impeachment processes based upon Thomas no longer qualifying under good behavior.

onenote

(42,703 posts)
29. How does a case where he couldn't get three other justices to support him make this his court?
Mon Jun 27, 2022, 11:41 AM
Jun 2022

All it would have taken for the Court to hear this case was three other justices voting to grant certiorari. There is no indication that any of them were willing to go along with him. Indeed, a year ago, in another case in which Thomas dissented from the denial of cert because he wanted to revisit NY Times v Sullivan, Gorsuch also dissented. But Gorsuch didn't dissent this time.

lonely bird

(1,685 posts)
36. It isn't the case
Mon Jun 27, 2022, 12:03 PM
Jun 2022

It is his comments re Griswold, Obergefell and now this.

You can bet that the Reich Wing and Donnie the Dimwitted are salivating over Thomas’s words. Roberts is a mediocrity who is in danger of having his court deemed one of the crappiest of all time.

onenote

(42,703 posts)
40. And what do those comments have to do with this case?
Mon Jun 27, 2022, 12:06 PM
Jun 2022

Commenting that it's his court in a thread about a case where he couldn't persuade three other justices to join his position seems like a bit of a non-sequitur.

By the way, Roberts has been in the majority far more often than Thomas (who is in the minority more than any other Republican appointed justice).

The idea that this is "Thomas's court" is a bit of media fabrication that makes for a nice story but doesn't reflect the reality of how the court operates.

onenote

(42,703 posts)
51. Again -- he couldn't get three justices to join him in voting to hear this case
Mon Jun 27, 2022, 02:09 PM
Jun 2022

A year ago, Gorsuch took the same position as Thomas and dissented in a similar case. This year -- Gorsuch was silent.

The notion that Thomas "controls" the court is a media myth -- Roberts is in the majority more than Thomas (who is in the majority less than any other republican justice) -- and that was true last term, when both Kavanaugh and Barrett were on the court.

The reality is that no Chief Justice truly "controls" the court in the sense that he gets his way all the time.

onenote

(42,703 posts)
32. You are mistaken
Mon Jun 27, 2022, 11:48 AM
Jun 2022

While Thomas famously had a reputation for rarely if ever asking questions from the bench during argument, he has been asking questions regularly for the past couple of years. And, more relevant to his dissent from the denial of certiorari in this case, he has long been known as the Justice most likely to write a separate dissenting or concurring opinion.

malthaussen

(17,196 posts)
35. Still basically silent.
Mon Jun 27, 2022, 11:58 AM
Jun 2022

Those separate concurrences or dissents didn't make much news, to quote David Hume, they "fell dead-born from the Press."

He's noticeably more talkative now, and his opinions are notably radical. I preferred when we didn't have to take note of him.

-- Mal

3825-87867

(850 posts)
33. Interpretive law by Justice C. Thomas, SCOTUS
Mon Jun 27, 2022, 11:51 AM
Jun 2022

America's Media:

Pay no attention to the woman behind the curtain!

It would be a shame if I had to pass a law allowing the media to be sued!

Do I make myself clear?

CT

Harker

(14,018 posts)
42. His opinion is about as welcome as that of Joe Manchin.
Mon Jun 27, 2022, 12:34 PM
Jun 2022

Suddenly, the creep thinks his ideas are relevant.

He's mistaken.

onenote

(42,703 posts)
52. I'm certain he would have no trouble distinguishing Roe and Loving
Mon Jun 27, 2022, 02:11 PM
Jun 2022

since the former was based on the Fifth Amendment and the latter was based on the Equal Protection Clause.

onetexan

(13,041 posts)
60. Get this MF off the SCOTUS
Mon Jun 27, 2022, 07:28 PM
Jun 2022

I am so damn disgusted we dont have any mechanism to kick him off by proximity to his loony RW wife.

EndlessWire

(6,531 posts)
61. Well, what do you expect?
Tue Jun 28, 2022, 10:37 AM
Jun 2022

He works for Trump. What is fascinating is how he's coming out. Before Trump, people kept their prejudices under wraps. Then Trump happened, and people felt free to express their blind hatreds of others. Now sits Clarence, post coup, and he's up there expressing his own hatreds and plans to change the face of our democracy.

This is exactly what Trump wanted, to change the rules in order for him to control the free Press. That's what fascists do. That's what Clarence is signaling that he is willing to do.

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