Sinema indicates she may want to change Schumer-Manchin deal
Source: Axios
Sen. Kyrsten Sinema (D-Ariz.) had a message for her Democratic colleagues before she flew home to Arizona for the weekend: She's preserving her options.
Why it matters: Sinema has leverage and she knows it. Any potential modification to the Democrat's climate and deficit reduction package like knocking out the $14 billion provision on carried interest could cause the fragile deal to collapse.
Her posture is causing something between angst and fear in the Democratic caucus as senators wait for her to render a verdict on the secret deal announced by Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer and Sen. Joe Manchin last Thursday.
Driving the news: Sinema has given no assurances to colleagues that shell vote along party lines in the so-called vote-a-rama for the $740 billion bill next week, according to people familiar with the matter.
Read more: https://www.axios.com/2022/07/30/sinema-schumer-manchin-deal-democrats
We might have celebrated too soon.
SergeStorms
(19,217 posts)her one any only term as a Senator.
She doesn't really care though. She probably has a nice 6 figure job all lined up with the pharmaceutical industry, her benefactors.
Takket
(21,869 posts)when she's voted out she'll be laughing all the way to the bank
brush
(54,383 posts)complete, hot mess of her one term in office. I can't imagine or remember anyone on the Dem side handling it worst.
Eyeball_Kid
(7,462 posts)The only image I have of her is her obstruction her pandering to wealth.
AZLD4Candidate
(5,916 posts)AZLD4Candidate
(5,916 posts)FakeNoose
(33,315 posts)Her 15 minutes of fame were up long ago.
jimfields33
(16,545 posts)Thats why I hate Wyoming doing this. Its not good. Let each candidate win or lose on their own.
running against her?
vsrazdem
(2,177 posts)He is in the house, from Tucson area.
bermudat
(1,329 posts)NotHardly
(1,062 posts)LastLiberal in PalmSprings
(12,616 posts)durablend
(7,519 posts)As expected
femmedem
(8,226 posts)Especially since the deal includes something she's already publicly opposed.
Mister Ed
(5,982 posts)Perhaps those in the Senate, who know her best, have the same feeling.
mucifer
(23,707 posts)Point
Mister Ed
(5,982 posts)Who knows what gets discussed in the back rooms and the cloakrooms of the Senate? I sure don't.
They must've thought there was some way to pressure her or corner her or bribe her or cajole her into going along. And maybe there is. Who knows?
mucifer
(23,707 posts)5 million or something to save the effing planet
Mr.Bill
(24,438 posts)I have doubts Manchin is bargaining in good faith. He has a long way to go for me to have faith his negotiations.
PortTack
(32,923 posts)Bill to possibly fail as well as this one
Mister Ed
(5,982 posts)femmedem
(8,226 posts)I was just going to edit my post to say the same thing.
2naSalit
(87,547 posts)She's more dangerous inside negotiations because she can't be trusted not to rat out the whole thing.
Maybe she's been snubbed while trying to sabotage negotiations because she was found out. Maybe she's having a mad over it. Maybe she'll just quietly vote with the rest of the party in the end. She is a drama queen but maybe she sees that everybody hates her for her actions. Maybe a repug or two will vote for it.
qazplm135
(7,447 posts)1. Manchin is firm on carried interest (and it's a popular provision).
2. Sinema is against it so any negotiation that involved them both would have led to nothing.
3. So Schumer decided to get Manchin on board alone. Manchin is in WV and faces no leftward pressure at all. Manchin can afford to simply say no with zero consequences in his state.
4. OTOH Sinema has real leftward pressure in her next primary. It's not so easy to say no IF re-election matters to her (it may not).
5. To this point, Sinema has never been the one and only Senator blocking something, she's always had Manchin for cover. Now she's alone.
I'm guessing Schumer decided to put her on an island. It's a lot easier to say no behind closed doors during negotiations than it is when this is a deal that the media is more or less selling positively, the entire caucus is behind, climate activists are even saying the climate stuff is actually decent, and even Manchin is on board with adding in that not passing it means huge healthcare increases and by the way, we don't have much time left to pass anything.
That's an awful lot for a first term Senator to say no to.
There's also the fact that Sinema is notoriously hard to pin down.
Bottom line, if she's really going to torpedo this over carried interest for a handful of rich people...then she's not a Democrat and she was never going to agree to anything anyways.
BootinUp
(47,327 posts)femmedem
(8,226 posts)I hope it pays off. And on further reflection, this probably was the only possible path forward.
quakerboy
(13,939 posts)Manchin gets "concessions" to get it done (not incidentally incensing/depressing liberals with the losses) , then Synema torpedoes the deal. So then she gets concessions (not incidentally incensing and breaking trust of youth and moderates with the sacrifices), and he can torpedo it.
In the end they will both get far more from private/right wing interests for obstructing and simultaneously convincing Democrats to break trust with voters on our policy promises than anything they are likely to get in negotiations
mucifer
(23,707 posts)agingdem
(7,929 posts)I have a sneaking suspicion Manchin and Sinema are about to have serious chat..this is Manchin's moment and I don't think he's going to allow Cruella/Betty Boop to crater his deal and steal his glory
comradebillyboy
(10,224 posts)politician than Sinema. I suspect he can be pretty persuasive when he needs to be. He won't let Sinema ruin his moment of glory.
LastLiberal in PalmSprings
(12,616 posts)Just like the SCOTUS is remaking society into its warped view of what we should be doing (as opposed to the 70% that support abortion), Manchin has been reordering the economic foundations of the financial sector to resemble the GQP's goals of keeping taxpayers money in the pockets of the rich and corporations.
As for Sinema, during her last campaign she said over and over again she would work to bring down drug prices. Now she's taking the opposite position. Who would have known that she could be bought off by large donations by the pharmaceutical sector.
It's turning out that the biggest obstacles to producing the results that the majority of Americans want are in the Democratic Party. Sheesh! Just think of how much good we could be doing without these two miscreants blocking nearly every Biden proposal.
comradebillyboy
(10,224 posts)be Senate Majority Leader. And none of Biden's agenda would have been passed. And none of Biden's judicial appointments would have been approved.
Would that make you happy?
agingdem
(7,929 posts)I can't stand Manchin or Sinema but I appreciate their designated "D" presence in the Senate, and their vote..most of the time
intheflow
(28,546 posts)The poster youre replying to isnt saying they want Repukes in M&Ss seats, just saying they wish the miscreants werent there. I read it as not wanting these DINOs, and also assumed they want actual Democrats in those seats.
tavernier
(12,505 posts)and then waiting for them to die.
Youre better off using your energy on something positive.
aeromanKC
(3,346 posts)Or anyone else's for that matter.
markie
(22,760 posts)that's it
wryter2000
(46,306 posts)We can win OH and PA and make them irrelevant.
mucifer
(23,707 posts)wryter2000
(46,306 posts)But even if we lost the House, these two would still be irrelevant. Not much comfort.
IronLionZion
(45,858 posts)Eugene
(62,073 posts)*exactly*
sarcasmo
(23,968 posts)wryter2000
(46,306 posts)Really, we can.
agingdem
(7,929 posts)displaying all the "symptoms" of Feeling Left Out..
Mme. Defarge
(8,124 posts)and outclassed.
greenjar_01
(6,477 posts)Celebrate what?
If anything decent gets passed ever, it's pretty much like found money. The default is bullshit and inaction.
riversedge
(70,846 posts)and no, I do not think Manchin is a hero.
RANDYWILDMAN
(2,719 posts)come on...
jalan48
(13,978 posts)LudwigPastorius
(9,441 posts)Let me guess...she wants to nix the whole Medicare-being-able-to-negotiate-lower-prescription-costs thing.
wackadoo wabbit
(1,167 posts)When she entered the chamber to vote, she tapped McConnell on the shoulder so that he'd turn around and watch her as she performed her little act. FWIW, he didn't turn around and watch her.
Sinema, he's just not that into you.
CincyDem
(6,460 posts)Dont go changing everything over a threat. Make her take a stand and then deal with it. All this tacit bs is getting us nowhere.
Make.
Her.
Vote.
Marthe48
(17,343 posts)1st manchin fails to carry the ball and now her. God.
czarjak
(11,501 posts)YoshidaYui
(41,920 posts)she is only in it to make money, its all a moneygame for her. I bet they could bribe her and she would take it.
druidity33
(6,465 posts)I posted this on Thursday...
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=16977998
you can read the responses for yourself... if you want.
Sky Jewels
(7,281 posts)I wish she could be primaried this year.
prodigitalson
(2,525 posts)elleng
(132,003 posts)Raven123
(5,066 posts)This should have been resolved before the announcement.
FoxNewsSucks
(10,488 posts)there's a tag-team of Democrats taking turns shooting down the things we want.
It's just her turn
Rebl2
(13,754 posts)ancianita
(36,442 posts)dchill
(38,709 posts)867-5309.
(1,189 posts)Mr. Sparkle
(2,976 posts)Marcuse
(7,619 posts)Backseat Driver
(4,428 posts)jam. Go with the flow, girl!
turbinetree
(24,788 posts)Last edited Sat Jul 30, 2022, 06:56 PM - Edit history (1)
Arizona? 2.5 million over the age of 50
I know two of them very personally.........and they know a lot of people in there retirement home / community and they / all are very politically active...... and if your "aides' have any clue on the Political make-up here, here is a refresher......
As of January 1, 2022, Arizona's registered voters include 1,501,302 Republicans (34.5%), 1,364,178 Democrats (31.4%), 36,249 Libertarians (0.8%), and 1,449,711 "Other" (33.3%).......
dsc
(52,198 posts)and the Senate is anything other than 50/50 she will have no committee assignments, she will not be permitted to co sponsor any bill upon authored by a Democrat, and no Democrat will co sponsor a bill which she authors. Finally, every single solitary Democratic senator will endorse her primary opponent and campaign repeatedly for them.
TeamProg
(6,589 posts)Karma13612
(4,556 posts)Would get me banned. Back in 2016, I was flagged to delete my comment that contained this word.
OK, I did, no sweat.
But, today, I am going to use a phrase that I hope is equally poignant.
She is a DISGUSTING ADULT MEAN-GIRL BRAT.
Joinfortmill
(14,717 posts)ColinC
(8,431 posts)Demovictory9
(32,578 posts)ZonkerHarris
(24,415 posts)live love laugh
(13,362 posts)CountMyVote4Reality
(209 posts)Dems? Inds? Reps? Reps/Corps?
That nasty word will nasty word nasty word any nasty word for the money.
Carlitos Brigante
(26,531 posts)pretend. Good for her!
Historic NY
(37,493 posts)with a primary challenge
Roisin Ni Fiachra
(2,574 posts)in 2024.
I would not be surprised to see her wreak as much destruction on our party and country as she possibly can until then.
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(109,145 posts)It's not about you. It's about your constituents. Try to remember that.
Paul Eeez
(41 posts)She's a fucking bimbo!
myohmy2
(3,301 posts)...why not?
...and some pick on Bernie for not being a Dem...
...I'm not sure what it means...
SuperCoder
(300 posts)Last I heard Joe Biden is our duly elected President. Not Kyrsten Sinema.
The Wizard
(12,587 posts)she's getting bribed and the cash is in a offshore money laundry?
Ladythatvotesblue
(145 posts)Acts like a clown. She is a liar to the people that voted for her.
newdayneeded
(1,971 posts)NoodleyAppendage
(4,620 posts)Sinema is a raging walking cluster B personality disorder. This is the worst possible outcome for her to be the pivotal vote for the legislation. She LOVES the attention this brings and possibly even the negative attention it might generate. Those around her with half-a-brain will seek to influence her by playing to her narcissism and histrionics.
Kablooie
(18,672 posts)Now that everyone agrees she wants to get involved and change things to please her billionaire corporate donors.
She is a total asshole!
maxrandb
(15,529 posts)So many "Dems in disarray" reporting from those outlets.
I think I will wait to see what happens, but even if it does pass, Axios and Politico will ignore it, except to highlight all the missing ponies "some Dems wanted".
Even when you win, you lose with this media
dchill
(38,709 posts)Johnny2X2X
(19,548 posts)She's willing to deal. Give her something token and get her to a yes.