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James48

(4,437 posts)
Thu Nov 17, 2022, 03:13 AM Nov 2022

Retired Air Force Lt. Col. Who Wielded Zip Ties on Floor of Congress Found Guilty for Jan. 6 Breach

Source: Military.com

A retired Air Force lieutenant colonel was found guilty Wednesday on six charges -- including one felony for obstructing an official proceeding -- related to breaching the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021, and attempting to interrupt the electoral certification of President Joe Biden.

Larry Brock, 55, entered the Senate chambers on the afternoon of Jan. 6 brandishing zip ties and wearing tactical gear; his plate carrier bore a skull patch with the Texas flag imposed into the design, indicating his home state.

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Brock will be sentenced in mid-February and faces a maximum 20 years in prison for his felony obstruction count. His five other charges are misdemeanors and range from disorderly conduct in the Capitol to entering and remaining on the floor of Congress; combined, they carry a maximum three and a half years in jail.

Read more: https://www.military.com/daily-news/2022/11/16/retired-air-force-lt-col-who-wielded-zip-ties-floor-of-congress-found-guilty-jan-6-breach.html



This is the “Zip Tie Guy”- and was convicted on six counts, including a felony count worth up to 20 years.
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Retired Air Force Lt. Col. Who Wielded Zip Ties on Floor of Congress Found Guilty for Jan. 6 Breach (Original Post) James48 Nov 2022 OP
Good. nt SunSeeker Nov 2022 #1
LOCK HIS ASS UP Skittles Nov 2022 #2
Absolutely yankee87 Nov 2022 #3
Absolutely! SheltieLover Nov 2022 #7
Felony convictions void federal pensions. czarjak Nov 2022 #8
would be nice Skittles Nov 2022 #9
I think orangecrush Nov 2022 #33
I thought they did! Thanks True Blue American Nov 2022 #14
court martial him ..... court martial all the violent GOPigs Trueblue1968 Nov 2022 #4
TY! nt Cha Nov 2022 #5
"a maximum 20 years" means he'll likely get time served + probation. PSPS Nov 2022 #6
Where are you getting this information? NJCher Nov 2022 #12
I think its sarcasm. 3Hotdogs Nov 2022 #22
I think it is toxic cynicism. Regardless, overly terse posts are prone to being misunderstood. . nt Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2022 #23
I think it's NJCher Nov 2022 #25
Yes, over-indulgence in cynicsm is corrosive and spreading it is even more corrosive. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2022 #28
+1 orangecrush Nov 2022 #57
Your premise does not imply your conclusion. You are presuming facts which you have not stated Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2022 #15
Sarcasm, I suspect. 3Hotdogs Nov 2022 #24
cynicism based in reality IMHO progressoid Nov 2022 #44
Why wasn't he charged with insurrection? vlyons Nov 2022 #10
MF should lose his retirement. raccoon Nov 2022 #11
Enemies, foreign AND DOMESTIC" DFW Nov 2022 #13
Twenty years seems harsh. Do it. twodogsbarking Nov 2022 #16
"Brock is one of 118 Jan. 6 defendants with military connections..." Botany Nov 2022 #17
Likely has a Master's Degree too Farmer-Rick Nov 2022 #31
Not one bit of difference between Trump's J-6 thugs and Mussolini's Black Shirts. Botany Nov 2022 #32
Geez, a pilot too Farmer-Rick Nov 2022 #34
And he will be sitting in prison for a nice long spell because he bought into Trump's lie that he .. Botany Nov 2022 #38
I hope Insurrectionist Will Sasso enjoys a lengthy stay inside. LudwigPastorius Nov 2022 #54
He should face one of the worst punishments... purr-rat beauty Nov 2022 #18
Yes. An eternity in prison would be an excellent punishment. 3Hotdogs Nov 2022 #26
Put him in the Phantom Zone with that other insurrectionist General Zod. LudwigPastorius Nov 2022 #56
Veterans Pensions stop on the 61ST day of incarceration maxrandb Nov 2022 #19
As a Veteran, and former employee of the VA, I couldn't agree more... SKKY Nov 2022 #21
Even though I retired from the Marines in '99, MarineCombatEngineer Nov 2022 #30
Throw the book at him - Zip ties are key to immobilizing prey for the lynch mob bucolic_frolic Nov 2022 #20
No kidding! 😔 😬 electric_blue68 Nov 2022 #51
Fucking moron. Enjoy that military pension. Vinca Nov 2022 #27
Zip ties are completely normal for tourists IronLionZion Nov 2022 #29
I got my zip ties when I visited The Capitol! ... electric_blue68 Nov 2022 #48
I'm packing zip ties for Thanksgiving this year IronLionZion Nov 2022 #49
You could also if you celebrate - put Zip Ties in as Xmas Stocking... electric_blue68 Nov 2022 #50
Definitely a threat to society mountain grammy Nov 2022 #35
Handcuffs, not zip ties. Plastic handcuffs. Cowpunk Nov 2022 #36
Horrible thought.... Talitha Nov 2022 #37
Idk if The (soon future Repuglican) House can do anything.... electric_blue68 Nov 2022 #52
IIRC - federal crimes are pardoned by the President, state crimes by the Governor? Talitha Nov 2022 #58
Think you're right on the Fed, or State pardons... electric_blue68 Nov 2022 #60
I like it republianmushroom Nov 2022 #39
a Retired Air Force Lt Colonel. now age 55???? msfiddlestix Nov 2022 #40
I don't understand your question? Dysfunctional Nov 2022 #45
I see. Seemed like quite an early retirement given the Officer Training School etc msfiddlestix Nov 2022 #59
Why can't they be sentenced immediately and wait in jail for appeals? nt Samrob Nov 2022 #41
LOCK HIM UP! Please let him get 20 yrs! FlyingPiggy Nov 2022 #42
This guy? BWdem4life Nov 2022 #43
Another traitor gets to enjoy the fine prison cuisine. Hassler Nov 2022 #46
If political affiliation was a protected class... The Grand Illuminist Nov 2022 #47
Give the poor guy a break. I recommend the 19.99 Black Friday Special Wonder Why Nov 2022 #53
served concurrently and recall him for a dishonorable Shellback Squid Nov 2022 #55

Skittles

(153,174 posts)
9. would be nice
Thu Nov 17, 2022, 05:12 AM
Nov 2022

Can a Veteran Receive Retired Military Pay While in Prison?

Generally, yes. Being convicted of a crime almost never jeopardizes a federal pension – the rare exception to this rule are charges relating to criminal disloyalty to the United States: espionage, treason, sabotage, etc.

NJCher

(35,706 posts)
12. Where are you getting this information?
Thu Nov 17, 2022, 06:54 AM
Nov 2022

As far as I know, it simply means the maximum sentence.

NJCher

(35,706 posts)
25. I think it's
Thu Nov 17, 2022, 09:04 AM
Nov 2022

The perennial negativism that afflicts this board and which makes for boring reading. It gets tedious.

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,027 posts)
15. Your premise does not imply your conclusion. You are presuming facts which you have not stated
Thu Nov 17, 2022, 07:43 AM
Nov 2022

Naked cynicism does not serve anybody well.

3Hotdogs

(12,396 posts)
24. Sarcasm, I suspect.
Thu Nov 17, 2022, 09:03 AM
Nov 2022

Reference to some sentences of a couple of months that some of the traitors received.

progressoid

(49,992 posts)
44. cynicism based in reality IMHO
Thu Nov 17, 2022, 05:35 PM
Nov 2022

While the post may be slightly hyperbolic, it's isn't beyond belief to think a middle class white guy would receive the benefit of being a middle class white guy.

Botany

(70,551 posts)
17. "Brock is one of 118 Jan. 6 defendants with military connections..."
Thu Nov 17, 2022, 08:08 AM
Nov 2022


I hope he dies in prison. He was so caught up in his delusional world that he though that
crossing police lines, breaking into the US Capitol, and arresting Nancy Pelosi for some
made up crime that she did not commit was being patriotic.

Being a Lt. Colonel means he is most likely a college graduate too. I wonder how he feels now
that Trump is on record that he knew that he lost the election.

Farmer-Rick

(10,197 posts)
31. Likely has a Master's Degree too
Thu Nov 17, 2022, 10:18 AM
Nov 2022

He would be an O-5 and that's a very livable pension if he's fully retired.

In the Navy you would be required to have your Masters to make 0-5. But being in the Air Force, they may require even higher education.

He'll probably still get to keep his pension unless he was convicted of crimes relating to criminal disloyalty to the United States: espionage, treason, sabotage, etc.

His ex wife turned him in. She's probably getting half his pension since they were married for 18 years.

Botany

(70,551 posts)
32. Not one bit of difference between Trump's J-6 thugs and Mussolini's Black Shirts.
Thu Nov 17, 2022, 10:35 AM
Nov 2022

They both used #s and violence to overtake their nation's capitol to install a fascist government.

BTW he was in the Air Force and a pilot too. I hope they walk him out of the court room in 'cuffs
and then take his ass right to prison.

Botany

(70,551 posts)
38. And he will be sitting in prison for a nice long spell because he bought into Trump's lie that he ..
Thu Nov 17, 2022, 11:02 AM
Nov 2022

... won the election but it was stolen from him. Even though Trump was on record of acknowledging
that he had lost the election. I hope that knowledge eats him alive.

Former President Trump told his then-chief of staff “this is embarrassing,” and “I don’t want people to know that we lost,” after the Supreme Court ruled against him on a key case about the 2020 election, former White House aide Cassidy Hutchinson told the House select committee investigating the Jan. 6, 2021, Capitol riot.

https://thehill.com/homenews/house/3686868-cassidy-hutchinson-trump-told-meadows-this-is-embarrassing-i-dont-want-people-to-know-that-we-lost/

maxrandb

(15,345 posts)
19. Veterans Pensions stop on the 61ST day of incarceration
Thu Nov 17, 2022, 08:51 AM
Nov 2022

and you have to petition the VA to have benefits restored once you're released from prison.

It is, unfortunately, the veterans responsibility to notify the VA that they have been incarcerated. Failure to notify the VA can result in an overpayment of benefits that the veteran will be required to payback, with interest and fines.

I also believe that if the veteran fails to notify the VA, they can also be charged with fraudulently obtaining benefits.

But, here's the point I want to make.

Although it is rare. Retired veterans can be recalled to active duty and punished under the UCMJ.

That needs to happen in these cases, the most high profile one being General Mike Flynn.

Retirees are different than folks that just did a couple of years and got out of the military.

Retirees maintain a connection with the military. They are expected and required to live up to certain standards.

Even if it is hard, RETIRED MILITARY THAT PARTICIPATED IN AN ATTEMPT TO OVERTHROW THE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT, SHOULD NOT CONTINUE TO RECEIVE BENEFITS FROM THAT GOVERNMENT!

SKKY

(11,816 posts)
21. As a Veteran, and former employee of the VA, I couldn't agree more...
Thu Nov 17, 2022, 09:00 AM
Nov 2022

...As Arizona Congressman Ruben Gallego said, "Fuck around and find out." Well, this guy fucked around, and now he's about to find out.

MarineCombatEngineer

(12,423 posts)
30. Even though I retired from the Marines in '99,
Thu Nov 17, 2022, 09:15 AM
Nov 2022

I'm still subject to recall under certain conditions and can be prosecuted under the UCMJ.
I still live my civilian life with the same discipline and morals as I did in the Marines.

Every military member, active, reserve or retired that participated that day should be recalled and prosecuted under the UCMJ, or at the very least, lose their bennies for life.

Semper Fi.

Talitha

(6,611 posts)
37. Horrible thought....
Thu Nov 17, 2022, 10:56 AM
Nov 2022

How many of these insurrectionists will be pardoned if the wrong people slither into the right political positions?

Talitha

(6,611 posts)
58. IIRC - federal crimes are pardoned by the President, state crimes by the Governor?
Fri Nov 18, 2022, 12:52 AM
Nov 2022

I don't know if the insurrectionists are being charged with federal or state crimes though, and was just wondering if snarky Repugs might go on a 'pardon campaign' to let their nasty supporters out of jail.

They're nuts enough to do it.

electric_blue68

(14,923 posts)
60. Think you're right on the Fed, or State pardons...
Fri Nov 18, 2022, 12:52 PM
Nov 2022

Oh, yeah, unfortunately Repuglicans probably will demand pardons for MAGAT's & others insurrectionists.

msfiddlestix

(7,284 posts)
40. a Retired Air Force Lt Colonel. now age 55????
Thu Nov 17, 2022, 02:52 PM
Nov 2022

Anyone here with past or current connections in the military, scratching your head, by any chance?

do any curious questions come to mind?

 

Dysfunctional

(452 posts)
45. I don't understand your question?
Thu Nov 17, 2022, 07:27 PM
Nov 2022

He probably went through OCS after college at the age of 22 and retired at 52. My nephew retired from the Marines as a colonel at 54.

msfiddlestix

(7,284 posts)
59. I see. Seemed like quite an early retirement given the Officer Training School etc
Fri Nov 18, 2022, 10:25 AM
Nov 2022

All the perks of being an officer. It was just a curious thing, this guy trained as military officer, did what he did.

And there's Michael Flynn. Sure the hell makes me wonder what the eff is going on in our Military, not vetting for mental fitness I gather.

The Grand Illuminist

(1,335 posts)
47. If political affiliation was a protected class...
Thu Nov 17, 2022, 09:35 PM
Nov 2022

He would be facing 20 years minimum as it would, in legal sense, be constituted as a hate crime.

Wonder Why

(3,231 posts)
53. Give the poor guy a break. I recommend the 19.99 Black Friday Special
Thu Nov 17, 2022, 10:55 PM
Nov 2022

Nineteen years and 99 days. Much more appropriate than 20 years and sounds a whole lot better to a nice guy like that.

250 years and we only had one Benedict Donald. Now we're swimming in them.

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