Russian troops mutiny as conscripts storm off military base and head home in protest

[Tom Yossarian Joad]

Source: Express

Mobilised Russian soldiers preparing for the war in Ukraine appear to have enough poor equipment and training as a mass walkout is caught on camera in Kazan, southwest Russia. The footage shows uniformed conscripts marching towards a guarded gate and demanding to be let through.

The Visegrád 24 Twitter account shared the video with the caption: "Mutiny in a military base in the Russian the city of Kazan.

"Partially mobilized men had enough of the treatment and poor equipment, and decided to head back home.

Guards tried to stop them but were outnumbered. /snip




Read more: https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1704790/Russia-army-mutiny-conscripts-Ukraine-war-latest-Vladimir-Putin-vn

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More at link.

[RockRaven]

1. More of this please. A lot more.

[ck4829]

50. Yep, the more, the better

[Tanuki]

2. Shades of "Potemkin"!

https://www.history.com/.amp/news/mutiny-on-the-battleship-potemkin-110-years-ago

"The Mutiny on the Battleship Potemkin
Take a look back at the uprising that helped inspire the Russian Revolution.

The Potemkin uprising was sparked by a disagreement over food, but it was anything but accidental. Morale in Russia’s Black Sea fleet had long been at rock-bottom lows, spurred on by defeats in the Russo-Japanese War and widespread civil unrest on the homefront. Many navy ships were teeming with revolutionary sentiment and animosity toward the aristocratic officer class. One of the Potemkin’s lead radicals was Afanasy Matyushenko, a fiery quartermaster known for railing against the brutal discipline of navy life. In early June 1905, he and Potemkin crewman Grigory Vakulenchuk joined with other disgruntled sailors in plotting a fleet-wide mutiny. Their audacious plan called for the rank and file to rise up and strike a concerted blow against the officers. After commandeering all the navy ships in the Black Sea, the conspirators would enlist the peasant class in a revolt that would sweep Czar Nicholas II from the Russian throne.".....(more)

[brush]

3. Are you seeing this, Putin? More headaches for you.

They'll be coming for you next.

But seriously, this war can't last too much longer with mutinies like this going on. News of this is sure to spread to other amry units...and not just recently mobilized ones.

[thomski64]

12. ...Putinkin?

[brush]

13. Good one.

[mercuryblues]

26. After yesterdays reports of Putin shitting himself

More like Poopemkin

Did Putin Fall Down the Stairs and Soil Himself? What We Know
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/did-putin-fall-down-the-stairs-and-soil-himself-what-we-know/ar-AA14POhM

[elleng]

4. WOWOWOW!

[Warpy]

5. I've been seeing a lot of videos of soldiers yelling at the officers

about no tents, appropriate clothing, and guns that aren't choked up with rust. The officers are just standing there, trying to stare them down and it doesn't seem to be working all that well. I'm not surprised that some are saying to hell with it. Prison is a lot more survivable than the front is right now.

With this happening, Putin's time in power is getting shorter and shorter as the rest of the corrupt intelligence services realize he's got to go so the rest of them can keep their jobs. It's just that nobody's stuck his neck out far enough to be an heir apparent. They don't want Navalny, he's a reformer who will kick the lot of them out of the Kremlin. What to do, what to do?

The longer they dither, the more likely Russia is to sink into chaos. This time, I hope Republicans aren't able to use them as a libertarian laboratory the way they did in the 90s. Russians are still angry at us for the 90s.

[republianmushroom]

6. LIKE

[GoldandSilver]

7. Putin's Special Operation

is a failure. It’s clear the Russian people don’t any part of it. Why should Russian men, whose lives have been turned upside down, feel any differently? Used and abused is not a good look for an army.

Putin’s Ukrainian genocide goals are evil and ordinary Russians just want to get on with their lives like everyone else.

I’ll be a little Rodney Kingish in this moment…..why can’t we all just get along?

May Putin suffer long and painfully before he dies.

[William769]

8. K&R.

[FakeNoose]

9. Russian soldiers are starting to get it

... they're not "volunteers" and there's nothing in it for them. This will end quickly ... maybe even before Christmas!

[DENVERPOPS]

10. My first thought is

a flashback to why we didn't do this???? when they were drafting all of our poor or middle class youngest men during the Vietnam era....

[orthoclad]

20. Heard about "fragging"?

Thousands of young men fled to Canada. Some got conscientous objector status. Some went underground. Others got bone spurs and National Guard positions. But under threat of severe prison sentences, a lot of very young men with low resources crossed their fingers and hoped to survive. Some thought they were going to Germany, but wound up in Nam.

People tried to block troop trains.

It seems that Putin is trying to dredge up older, more experienced men.

[DENVERPOPS]

24. Perhaps

he has already used up the young ones......LOL

There were two reasons President Cheney/Rumsfeld/etc didn't re-introduce the draft during the gulf wars.

#1 Cheney thought of all the profits to be made for Haliburton, by them employing people for all the work that wasn't battle related.

#2 The feared a major confrontation with the U.S. Citizens, far greater than the 60's concerning the draft.....


Did you know that during Desert Storm... RW Radio & Sinclair's 500 radio stations across the U.S. were banned from playing any of the anti-war oldies from the 60's??????

[orthoclad]

32. Not surprised about the songs

the powers learned a lot of lessons from Nam, but not the ones we'd like. For one, the draft could be a powderkeg. Easier to squeeze the people so hard they'd thinlk the military was a route out.

They used a lot of deniable mercenaries in Iraq and Afghanistan, who got away with atrocities. That one Battle of Fallujah erupted after locals killed and burned some Blackwater mercenaries. The news called them "contractors". I wonder why they hated them so much?

[keithbvadu2]

11. Little training, weapons, ammo, food, supplies, uniforms... The only thing Putin supplies in abunda

Little training, weapons, ammo, food, supplies, uniforms... The only thing Putin supplies in abundance is transportation to the front.

[ck4829]

49. Yep

[brer cat]

14. K&R

[SergeStorms]

15. Screw you, Putin, and your war of aggression.

Here's hoping the Russian Armed Forces stage a coup and execute Putin for crimes against humanity.

[littlewolf]

16. how many TRILLIONS did we spend

because these were supermen....
their equipment is non functional
their training is laughable
now China might actually be a threat
but Russia... maybe not so much..

[oldsoftie]

18. To be fair they USED to be much more competent. Although still never to our level.

China is the much bigger threat.
Russia is still a threat simply because of its size even if you don't factor in the nukes. It did have one of the biggest militaries & even if you suck, numbers matter. Look past what China did in the Korean War. Not especially great battlefield tactics, but HUGE numbers.

The performance of UKR shows the quality of Western training over old Soviet ways

[The Jungle 1]

22. China's airforce is rated 7th in the world

Presently China has no functioning aircraft carriers.
They are a paper dragon.
If we stop buying their junk their people will starve. We control their economy.

[oldsoftie]

25. "If we stop buying their junk their people will starve. We control their economy."

I rant about this as often as Certaintot rants about college sports on talk radio stations.

I'm to the point where I support LAWS banning companies from getting anything considered critical to national security or infrastructure from an adversarial country. 95% of our antibiotics come from China? Really? Bullshit. Maybe its not cost effective to make some things HERE, but there are plenty of countries that aren't threats who would LOVE our business.

[The Jungle 1]

31. I think China is starting to understand.

Their economy is in big trouble. Property value is collapsing.

An example not keeping production in house would be the Russian commercial air industry may be grounded soon. They can't get parts.

[Igel]

23. Not just training.

But liberty trumps authoritarianism almost all the time.

There's random variation, of course.

But I agree. All the build-up countered a formerly probably more deadly USSR, and now can pivot (if we don't crash it against the Russian army, with superior numbers) to Asia.

[littlewolf]

27. agreed spend 20 yr in the military

Russian tactical was always throw more at the target

F14 tomcat vs 50 of their fighters ...

same with tanks and troops ...

[The Jungle 1]

28. A lot of people don't accept it....

but our military is the most dominant the world has ever seen.

[oldsoftie]

33. Agreed. And its a shame that some don't think thats "fair".

SOMEONE has to be dominant. There are 3 choices. We aren't perfect but we're certainly the better choice of the 3. And something else many don't understand; the free movement of goods throughout the world is largely dependent on what? The US Navy & Coast Guard. Maybe we shouldn't HAVE to be the worlds "police", but without us, what happens?

[oldsoftie]

34. Yep; same with China. Thank you for your 20.

I did 8 in the ANG. Wish my work choices would've allowed me to have done my 20.

[littlewolf]

42. thank you for your service. ANG can be tougher then regular Army.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

40. I fully agree.

I did 35 years in the Marines and shortly after the fall of the Soviet Union, we "worked" with their equivalent, (in name only) of combat engineers, it was a shit show from day one, they would show up drunk, high, or some didn't even bother to show up, their equipment, what they didn't sell or trade for booze or drugs, was in piss poor shape, their NCO's were pretty brutal on those that did show up and the officers didn't give a shit as long as it didn't affect them.

We had to cancel several times because of this shit.
I've known since my experience with them that they were nothing more than a paper tiger army.

Thank you for your service.

[oldsoftie]

43. Have you read Gen Mark Hertling's article on RU & UKR?

He says pretty much what you do here. He was involved in some sort of cooperative exercises & spoke of how poorly they were at just about everything. In that article he stated that RU was NOT going to take UKR as quickly as they expected.

https://www.thebulwark.com/i-commanded-u-s-army-europe-heres-what-i-saw-in-the-russian-and-ukrainian-armies/

[MarineCombatEngineer]

44. No, but I'm going to.

Thanks for the link.

[NBachers]

17. Instability with nukes. What could go wrong?

I'm sure the War College crews have put this on their big board and followed it to possible conclusions. I wonder what plans are in place.

[James48]

37. I'm retired military.

My plans included moving over 200 miles from any city with a population over 20,000, so that I’m not near any nuclear targets.

Because both Russia and China pose significant, real threats, even today.
To those of you thinking this shows Russia is close to collapse- I would not count on that. Their society is not big on individuals standing up to become opposition leaders.

In fact- exactly the opposite- those who question authorities often disappear.

[ck4829]

48. I mean, do the nukes work? If Russian nukes are like Russian planes, bombs, and bureaucracy...

[Evolve Dammit]

19. This is hopeful.

[70sEraVet]

21. Putin may have to go nuclear on his own forces!

[NullTuples]

29. The, "heading back home" part does not seem likely?

I doubt deserters are warmly welcomed, given that in September Putin signed a decree stating the penalty is 10 yrs in prison.

(then again, I tend to be very...cynical when it comes to information pushed by news media during a war)

[oldsoftie]

35. Yeah, I like to see several reliable sources. But I like the thought!

[patphil]

30. One more reason for Putin to shit himself.

[oldsoftie]

36. Hahahahahahahaahhaha!!!!!!

[paleotn]

38. Vote with your feet.

[keithbvadu2]

39. The Mighty and Macho Russian Army praised by Cruz and MTG while denigrating American Troops

The Mighty and Macho Russian Army praised by Cruz and MTG while denigrating American Troops

https://tinyurl.com/ycvp53k6 Cruz

https://tinyurl.com/y74bd7fb MTG

[Tom Yossarian Joad]

41. +1

[Kennah]

45. Putin is gonna shit himself when he sees this video

[ck4829]

47. Ha

[ck4829]

46. Kick