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moonshinegnomie

(2,478 posts)
Thu Jan 19, 2023, 10:29 PM Jan 2023

Trump and lawyers sanctioned almost $1 million for 'frivolous' lawsuit against Hillary Clinton

Source: cnbc

A federal judge on Thursday imposed nearly $1 million in sanctions on former President Donald Trump and his lawyers for filing a “frivolous” lawsuit against Hillary Clinton and others.

“This case should never have been brought,” wrote Judge John Middlbrooks in U.S. District Court for the Southern District of Florida in his order sanctioning Trump.

Read more: https://www.cnbc.com/2023/01/20/trump-and-lawyers-sanctioned-almost-1-million-for-frivolous-lawsuit-against-hillary-clinton.html



not nearly enough but its a good start
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Trump and lawyers sanctioned almost $1 million for 'frivolous' lawsuit against Hillary Clinton (Original Post) moonshinegnomie Jan 2023 OP
"He will never have another good day." Botany Jan 2023 #1
Thank You! I love the way Peter Marks said that!! Cha Jan 2023 #4
watching Lawrence right now NJCher Jan 2023 #10
Does it make someone a bad person to wish the same fate on his rabid followers? progressoid Jan 2023 #13
GOOD! 50 Shades Of Blue Jan 2023 #2
and remember others were involved in this lawsuit.. agingdem Jan 2023 #5
Unfortunately, no dpibel Jan 2023 #18
Why is this "unfortunate?" Moosepoop Jan 2023 #21
This is not just the beginning dpibel Jan 2023 #22
Taking the Pig's money doesn't make him happy I imagine.... Thomas Hurt Jan 2023 #3
Good grief. ShazzieB Jan 2023 #6
Keep in mind leftieNanner Jan 2023 #11
Oh, I know all kinds of awful people go to law school. ShazzieB Jan 2023 #23
I'll 'splain that NJCher Jan 2023 #24
R-law schools where a turnip can get a degree! machoneman Jan 2023 #31
There's the stupid, and those that play at stupid to take advantage of the stupid LiberalLovinLug Jan 2023 #43
and i was under the impression trump doesn't pay his lawyers anyway orleans Jan 2023 #17
What about taking away their law licenses? Bev54 Jan 2023 #7
That is the real solution, but will probably never happen Major Nikon Jan 2023 #16
"That is the real solution, but will probably never happen" BumRushDaShow Jan 2023 #25
A few will, most won't Major Nikon Jan 2023 #27
The top ones can and should be put out to pasture through disbarment BumRushDaShow Jan 2023 #28
It still doesn't give me much faith in the legal system Major Nikon Jan 2023 #46
The whole disbarment bit BumRushDaShow Jan 2023 #47
Yes, sanctions against all involved lawyers. This should have been in the judge's order. machoneman Jan 2023 #32
Good. Keep it up! brer cat Jan 2023 #8
Is he tired of winning yet? usonian Jan 2023 #9
lol NJCher Jan 2023 #12
Maybe Putin can find him a safe house in Ukraine BOSSHOG Jan 2023 #14
Ohhhhhh, I saw what you did there!!! Karma13612 Jan 2023 #30
YES! Finally! Warpy Jan 2023 #15
This is GREAT !!!!!!! Laura PourMeADrink Jan 2023 #19
trump... myohmy2 Jan 2023 #20
And yet I bet that Trump probably profited over it still via an increase in cstanleytech Jan 2023 #26
yeppers, going right out the gate in early 2021 msfiddlestix Jan 2023 #35
And he will appeal Karma13612 Jan 2023 #29
RWNJs (right-wing nut jobs) are wondering when TFG's losing streak (in the courts) will end... lol MissMillie Jan 2023 #33
what the hell was he suing Clinton over? defamation? msfiddlestix Jan 2023 #34
Conspiring against him to rig the 2016 election iemanja Jan 2023 #39
omfg. I remembet seeing posts suggesting he intended to, but actually getting this far with it msfiddlestix Jan 2023 #44
It's in the linked article iemanja Jan 2023 #45
Yes. Start fining Trump's lawyers. JohnnyRingo Jan 2023 #36
This message was self-deleted by its author JohnnyRingo Jan 2023 #37
If he pays iemanja Jan 2023 #38
Reading of this tonekat Jan 2023 #40
He isn't in prison. twodogsbarking Jan 2023 #41
How about disciplining the lawyers? There should be a some disciplinary actions against them. Escurumbele Jan 2023 #42

NJCher

(35,713 posts)
10. watching Lawrence right now
Thu Jan 19, 2023, 11:13 PM
Jan 2023

at the moment he's covering SC investigation, but this topic is coming up. I can't wait!



One million in sanctions is indeed rare, and I'll bet the rest of the judiciary is applauding it. Trump uses the judicial system for his theatrics and to delay punishment: there is no reason to permit this.

progressoid

(49,996 posts)
13. Does it make someone a bad person to wish the same fate on his rabid followers?
Thu Jan 19, 2023, 11:19 PM
Jan 2023

Asking for a friend.

dpibel

(2,852 posts)
18. Unfortunately, no
Fri Jan 20, 2023, 12:24 AM
Jan 2023

From the order:

I previously granted Defendant Charles Dolan’s motion for sanctions, brought pursuant to Federal Rule of Civil Procedure 11. (DE 284). Now before me is a motion seeking sanctions brought by eighteen other Defendants.

Moosepoop

(1,922 posts)
21. Why is this "unfortunate?"
Fri Jan 20, 2023, 01:52 AM
Jan 2023

The judge awarded Dolan $50,000 from four of the attorneys last November.

Dolan was the first defendant in Trump's lawsuit to request sanctions, and the first to get them.

This latest round included Trump himself in the sanctions, though, which is new.


dpibel

(2,852 posts)
22. This is not just the beginning
Fri Jan 20, 2023, 02:13 AM
Jan 2023

Post #5, to which I was responding, said that this million is just the beginning, and that the other defendants would be getting more than that.

At least that's how I read the post.

And I was pointing out that such is not the case. This sanctions order is fees for all the attorneys involved in the litigation except the Dolan fees that were already disposed of.

The "unfortunately" was directed at the fact that this is not the beginning of a series of fee awards. It's the one and only. At least for this particular case.

Thomas Hurt

(13,903 posts)
3. Taking the Pig's money doesn't make him happy I imagine....
Thu Jan 19, 2023, 10:54 PM
Jan 2023

but he will con the Trumpfucks out of more. A million is probably easy.

ShazzieB

(16,494 posts)
6. Good grief.
Thu Jan 19, 2023, 11:02 PM
Jan 2023
“This case should never have been brought,” wrote Judge John Middlebrooks in U.S. District Court for the Southern District of Florida in his order sanctioning Trump for the civil suit, which the judge previously dismissed.

“Its inadequacy as a legal claim was evident from the start,” Middlebrooks wrote.

“No reasonable lawyer would have filed it. Intended for a political purpose, none of the counts of the amended complaint stated a cognizable legal claim.”


Where the hell does the Orange Hellbeast find these crackpot lawyers to file all these garbage suits for him that "no reasonable lawyer would have filed"? There seem to be an awful lot of them!

ShazzieB

(16,494 posts)
23. Oh, I know all kinds of awful people go to law school.
Fri Jan 20, 2023, 05:17 AM
Jan 2023

I mean, Kayleigh McEnany, right? Matt Gaetz, Ted Cruz, Ron DeSantis..the list goes on and on.

I know this, and I don't understand it one bit. That such people can be intellectually capable of getting through law school and yet so...intellectually limited in so many ways. I. Just. Don't . Get. It.

orleans

(34,073 posts)
17. and i was under the impression trump doesn't pay his lawyers anyway
Fri Jan 20, 2023, 12:19 AM
Jan 2023

so, who would file this crap for trump? either a bunch of suckers or suck-ups!

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
16. That is the real solution, but will probably never happen
Fri Jan 20, 2023, 12:08 AM
Jan 2023

There’s little doubt Trump raised far more money off these stunts than he will ever pay in fines. Going after the lawyers is the only sensible way to stop it.

BumRushDaShow

(129,376 posts)
25. "That is the real solution, but will probably never happen"
Fri Jan 20, 2023, 07:03 AM
Jan 2023

They are working on the most egregious of them (whose license is currently suspended in NY and D.C.). We'll find out some time in Feb./Mar. when an Appeals Court rules on the D.C. recommendation.

The Kraken team leader is awaiting a TX decision related to discipline that could lead to disbarment.

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
27. A few will, most won't
Fri Jan 20, 2023, 07:22 AM
Jan 2023

Until they go after all of them Trump will still have no problem finding shysters to do his bidding.

BumRushDaShow

(129,376 posts)
28. The top ones can and should be put out to pasture through disbarment
Fri Jan 20, 2023, 08:59 AM
Jan 2023

where the lower rung ones don't or never will have the resources of that "top tier" to fight those types of punitive measures, and will effectively be out of business upon sanctions and suspensions, even if their licenses are still intact. As more and more face the music and it makes the news, others will think twice about tempting fate and giving it a go.

As it is, a number of them without the celebrity "names" HAVE been disciplined in several states but you have to dig for it (e.g., this)

Only reason why Ghouliani is an un-dead walking zombie is because of his past positions as a US Attorney for SDNY and mayor, but he is effectively neutered pending a disbarment.

But after him, Jenna Ellis will be next along with Cleta Mitchell and others.

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
46. It still doesn't give me much faith in the legal system
Sat Jan 21, 2023, 12:13 AM
Jan 2023

The idea shysters like this get as far as they have is a tragedy even before they go to work for Trump. Sidney Powell has yet to be disbarred and may still not. It seems the biggest case they have on her is claiming other lawyers were on her cases without their permission. Wisconsin declined to even sanction her, and GQP cretins are still sending her money and will probably send even more if and when she gets disbarred. Evidently there’s money to be made in this sort of bullshittery

BumRushDaShow

(129,376 posts)
47. The whole disbarment bit
Sat Jan 21, 2023, 05:40 AM
Jan 2023

is a long and drawn out process (usually for a reason - due process).

You'll note of all the crap that Ghouliani was involved in, there was one particular set of legal cases he was associated with - those here in PA - that were used as a jumping off point to charge him for malfeasance egregious enough to need discipline, with the remedy being disbarment.

He was pretty much the legal ringleader (along with Eastman) and the others were "litigation support". I remember something like 61+ cases that were filed (including appeals) - both at the federal and state courts - that were related to overturning the election.

This article had some of the stats of the cases (and where they were filed) - https://www.usatoday.com/in-depth/news/politics/elections/2021/01/06/trumps-failed-efforts-overturn-election-numbers/4130307001/

Warpy

(111,332 posts)
15. YES! Finally!
Thu Jan 19, 2023, 11:47 PM
Jan 2023

This should have happened a LONG time ago, TFG has been filing frivolous lawsuits for years, weaponizing the courts against anyone he has a real or imaginary grudge against. It's high time a judge imposed consequences for his shitty behavior.

myohmy2

(3,173 posts)
20. trump...
Fri Jan 20, 2023, 01:03 AM
Jan 2023

...is a brown streak on the shorts of American history...

...he should contribute to our laundry...

...and give Hillary a break...

cstanleytech

(26,318 posts)
26. And yet I bet that Trump probably profited over it still via an increase in
Fri Jan 20, 2023, 07:07 AM
Jan 2023

donations so its probably a small drop in the bucket.

msfiddlestix

(7,285 posts)
35. yeppers, going right out the gate in early 2021
Fri Jan 20, 2023, 11:03 AM
Jan 2023

I even received text msgs on my CELL phone from his fundraising campaigns after he lost the election.

I've had my number for about 10 or so years, I never understood why they thought MY number would be helpful to them.

MissMillie

(38,574 posts)
33. RWNJs (right-wing nut jobs) are wondering when TFG's losing streak (in the courts) will end... lol
Fri Jan 20, 2023, 10:19 AM
Jan 2023

I'm thinking his losing streak will end when they (the RWNJs) stop funding his ridiculous and frivolous law suits.

iemanja

(53,056 posts)
39. Conspiring against him to rig the 2016 election
Fri Jan 20, 2023, 11:17 AM
Jan 2023

against him by, he claimed, spinning the Russia conspiracy.

msfiddlestix

(7,285 posts)
44. omfg. I remembet seeing posts suggesting he intended to, but actually getting this far with it
Fri Jan 20, 2023, 04:58 PM
Jan 2023

is beyond description as a raging-deranged-lunatic.

are there better descriptors?

incredible.

JohnnyRingo

(18,640 posts)
36. Yes. Start fining Trump's lawyers.
Fri Jan 20, 2023, 11:10 AM
Jan 2023

Maybe they'll be less apt to take up suits against everyone from Chuck Shumer to Rosie O'Donnell.
"I'll sue" is a regular tactic when Trump get humiliated by his own actions.

Maybe better to make sure lawyers were unwilling to sue everyone Trump doesn't like.

Response to moonshinegnomie (Original post)

Escurumbele

(3,401 posts)
42. How about disciplining the lawyers? There should be a some disciplinary actions against them.
Fri Jan 20, 2023, 12:20 PM
Jan 2023

Maybe suspend their licenses for a year? At least.

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