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BumRushDaShow

(128,920 posts)
Wed Mar 22, 2023, 02:01 PM Mar 2023

Fed hikes rates by a quarter percentage point, indicates increases are near an end

Source: CNBC

The Federal Reserve on Wednesday enacted a quarter percentage point interest rate increase, expressing caution about the recent banking crisis and indicating that hikes are nearing an end.

Along with its ninth hike since March 2022, the rate-setting Federal Open Market Committee noted that future increases are not assured and will depend largely on incoming data.

“The Committee will closely monitor incoming information and assess the implications for monetary policy,” the FOMC’s post-meeting statement said. “The Committee anticipates that some additional policy firming may be appropriate in order to attain a stance of monetary policy that is sufficiently restrictive to return inflation to 2 percent over time.“

That wording is a departure from previous statements which indicated “ongoing increases” would be appropriate to bring down inflation.

Read more: https://www.cnbc.com/2023/03/22/fed-rate-hike-decision-march-2023.html



Article updated.

Original article and headline -

Fed hikes rates by a quarter percentage point despite recent turmoil in the banking sector

The Federal Reserve on Wednesday released its decision on interest rates following a two-day meeting.

This is breaking news. Please check back here for updates.
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Fed hikes rates by a quarter percentage point, indicates increases are near an end (Original Post) BumRushDaShow Mar 2023 OP
Idiots. pnwmom Mar 2023 #1
Past time for Traildogbob Mar 2023 #2
I think it's a mistake RussBLib Mar 2023 #4
At 4% inflation, the dollar loses half its purchasing power in 17.7 years. At 6%: 11.9 years progree Mar 2023 #7
Thank you for the mathematical reality check Fiendish Thingy Mar 2023 #12
This teacher's already postponed retirement by a year. Igel Mar 2023 #13
Are you saying your teacher's pension isn't keeping up with inflation? Fiendish Thingy Mar 2023 #19
Teacher retirement annuities not adjusting to such high inflation. Owl Mar 2023 #36
On top of that, inflation has been turning up, particularly core inflation progree Mar 2023 #32
I second this! hamsterjill Mar 2023 #21
that's good. drray23 Mar 2023 #3
Sounds good. Igel Mar 2023 #14
The fed needs more people to be unemployed. Marcus IM Mar 2023 #5
But, of course because LittleGirl Mar 2023 #6
Most didn't. Igel Mar 2023 #15
Don't bet on it. republianmushroom Mar 2023 #8
The bank news is probably spooking some folks IronLionZion Mar 2023 #9
No surprise. Listened to the conference and they're taking into account recent bank failures mathematic Mar 2023 #10
Kick. Igel Mar 2023 #16
The ultra wealthy won't suffer from increased hikes and inflation but they are forgetting something. cstanleytech Mar 2023 #11
Are you suggesting we kill the members of the Federal Reserve or rich people? friend of a friend Mar 2023 #17
+1 CountAllVotes Mar 2023 #18
Members of the Federal Reserve? Not in the least. cstanleytech Mar 2023 #22
Are you suggesting that members of DU should murder rich people? friend of a friend Mar 2023 #26
Nope. Simply pointing out the reality of the world we live in. cstanleytech Mar 2023 #30
That makes absolutely no sense. Bye friend of a friend Mar 2023 #31
Eat the rich, but be sure to use only grey poupon mustard yaesu Mar 2023 #35
not all of us are gun humping cowards Skittles Mar 2023 #20
Hey, I don't own a gun either. cstanleytech Mar 2023 #23
WOO! Skittles Mar 2023 #24
What can I say I just think guns do not actually protect people in the end. cstanleytech Mar 2023 #25
I have a shotgun and a rifle newdayneeded Mar 2023 #27
Hmmm I know I never said that so I am going to assume you meant to reply to someone else. cstanleytech Mar 2023 #33
Jobs Johnny2X2X Mar 2023 #28
well, maybe near an end. republianmushroom Mar 2023 #29
This will pretty much tank our chances of keeping the WH imho, the pain this causes yaesu Mar 2023 #34
Finally! honest.abe Mar 2023 #37
IT'S NOT INFLATION -- IT'S CORPORATE GREED!! OMGWTF Mar 2023 #38

Traildogbob

(8,731 posts)
2. Past time for
Wed Mar 22, 2023, 02:07 PM
Mar 2023

Biden to address the head of Fed, repug. He would love for a massive economic fail leading to 2024. Pretty sure he and his BFF’s ain’t for paying taxes under Biden’s plan.
Thom Hartmann mentioned a repug rep just met with bank execs, and said no regulations on banks, met with a roaring standing ovation.

RussBLib

(9,008 posts)
4. I think it's a mistake
Wed Mar 22, 2023, 02:10 PM
Mar 2023

I'm afraid the Fed wants to see some mass layoffs. They might get it.

I don't see much of a problem with 4 or 6% inflation. Who knows if we'll ever get back to 2%.

progree

(10,904 posts)
7. At 4% inflation, the dollar loses half its purchasing power in 17.7 years. At 6%: 11.9 years
Wed Mar 22, 2023, 02:23 PM
Mar 2023

Last edited Thu Mar 23, 2023, 06:27 PM - Edit history (11)

And its down to a quarter of its purchasing power in 35.4 years and 23.8 years respectively. One doesn't have to be a nervous nellie to worry about the falling purchasing power of one's savings.

(At the peak 8.9% inflation in June, the halving time was 8.1 years. The quartering time 16.2 years)

I don't see much of a problem with 4 or 6% inflation. Who knows if we'll ever get back to 2%.

Historically, in relatively high inflation periods, wages don't keep up with prices. Some say hardship builds character, but the character-building gets pretty tiresome after awhile.

Unlike stock prices, purchasing power never recovers (short of a great depression that causes a long enough deep enough deflation to get us back to where we were a few years earlier). So the character-building is virtually permanent.

Some people say the Fed has long targeted 2% inflation only for shits and giggles and don't really mean it. If they actually do try to move inflation down, that means they must be nefarious evil-doers ...

Jerome Powell, A Republican, was appointed Fed Chair by The Great Orange Slobfather, it is true. He was reappointed by President Biden, and confirmed by an 80-19 vote in the Senate (only 5 Dems voted no. Additionally Bernie voted no.   43 Democrats voted yes -- perhaps a "reach across the aisles" moment of comity. 13 Republicans voted no) https://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_votes/vote1172/vote_117_2_00176.htm

Democratic no votes: Markey (MA), Menendez (NJ), Merkley (OR), Ossoff (GA), Elizabeth Warren(MA).
+ Sanders (I-VT)

Democratic yes votes: Baldwin (WI), Bennet (CO), Blumenthal (CT), Booker (NJ), Brown (OH), Cantwell (WA), Cardin (MD), Carper (DE), Casey (PA), Coons (DE), Masto (NV), Duckworth (IL), Durbin (IL), Feinstein (CA), Gillibrand (NY), Hassan (NH), Heinrich (NM), Hickenlooper (CO), Hirono (HI), Kaine (VA), Kelly (AZ), Klobuchar (MN), Leahy (VT), Lujan (NM), Manchin (WV), Murphy (CT), Murray (WA), Padilla (CA), Peters (MI), Reed (RI), Rosen (NV), Schatz (HI), Schumer (NY), Shaheen (NH), Sinema (AZ), Smith (MN), Stabenow (MI), Tester (MT), Van Hollen (MD), Warner (VA), Warnock (GA), Whitehouse (RI), Wyden (OR).
+ King(I-ME)

And it's not just the Republican Jerome that progressive people have to worry about. The vast majority of the Federal Open Market Committee has also voted for the rate hikes at every meeting, including a unanimous vote at today's meeting.

Fiendish Thingy

(15,601 posts)
12. Thank you for the mathematical reality check
Wed Mar 22, 2023, 04:29 PM
Mar 2023

Interest hikes are the only tool available, and needed. Any bump in unemployment will still stay below the 5% full employment level.

Igel

(35,300 posts)
13. This teacher's already postponed retirement by a year.
Wed Mar 22, 2023, 07:11 PM
Mar 2023

Because of inflation.

It doesn't abate in a year, it's another year out before I retire.

Instead of retiring at 66, I'm stuck at 67. If that "another year out" happens, I retire at 68.

I feel like I'm living on borrowed time. My father's heart attack was at 60, and his rather hateful wife called 911. I'm living alone. One uncle died at 59 from a heart attack--he was in his car, nobody around to call 911. A cousin died at 43. Heart attack. Perhaps I have my mother's genes, I'll die at 93 from drowning in my own drool, too unaware to swallow (like my mother who died of a "respiratory infection" which is a nice way of saying "a virus produced mucus in the sinuses and it trickled into her bronchiae so she died from a scondary infection." Dementia, doncha know.

Even things like SVB's not bailing out investors is important. I don't know if my pension fund held SVB stock, but some other state pension funds did. Oops.

Pensions are among the largest holders of stocks, mind you. All the #s are private holders of stock, and pensions don't be private holders.

In other words, they're not counted. Yet at least some lost fairly large sums. Who's on the hook for the losses? Either taxpayers or employees (which is just a subset of taxpayers).

If it's not evident, I'm not dinging but supporting your post. Inflation makes my car payments less onerous, but it also makes my retirement much poorer.

Fiendish Thingy

(15,601 posts)
19. Are you saying your teacher's pension isn't keeping up with inflation?
Wed Mar 22, 2023, 08:52 PM
Mar 2023

Is your pension your only source of income in retirement?

I hope things work out for you.

progree

(10,904 posts)
32. On top of that, inflation has been turning up, particularly core inflation
Thu Mar 23, 2023, 02:47 PM
Mar 2023

Remember that the Fed looks at the core number to project future inflation, not the all-items number. People can be pissed off all the want to be about that, but that's life in the big city. (Another thing is they look at the core PCE mainly, not the core CPI, but they aren't oblivious to other data, although some may think so).

CPI Links


http://www.bls.gov/news.release/cpi.nr0.htm
CPI: http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/CUSR0000SA0&output_view=pct_1mth
Core CPI: http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/CUSR0000SA0L1E&output_view=pct_1mth


The rolling 3 month annualized average for the CPI rose from 3.2% to 4.0% in the latest report. Not a big rise, but a rise.

And that of the core CPI rose from 4.4% to 5.2%.

No serious person who is interested in the CURRENT or RECENT inflation rate really gives a fat whoop and a holler about what the 12 month figure does -- that has several months of ancient data in it.

And in rolling averages, the number that drops out of the series at the beginning is just as important in changing the rolling average as the new number that has just been added. 12 months ago the CPI one month number was 0.7%, and the core CPI was 0.5%, and these are dropping out of the 12 month average. Fat whoop? Big holler? I don't think so.

Sorry but inflation isn't cooling. I continue to vote for "stalled at more than twice the Fed's target with a worrisome uptilt at the end" (see later on down when I discuss the core PCE -- classically the Fed's preferred inflation indicator for future inflation predictions -- and the other indicators. And the 3 month, 6 month and 12 month rolling averages of the core PCE).

There is nothing magical about the 3 month rolling average either - I chose it for its recency, and yet it is more than one data point so people can't dismiss it as a "one off" so readily.

For the CPI, I only have the month by month numbers in graphical form, below. (I don't give a fat whoop about 12 month rolling average graphs, which are ubiquitous everywhere).

CPI Graph updated with the February numbers


Again, I see an uptrend in core CPI (the blue bars) since November.

PCE Inflation



PCE, rolling 3 month averages, annualized
7.2% 7.3% 7.4% 6.2% 4.8% 2.1% 4.2% 3.8% 3.2% 4.0%

CORE PCE, rolling 3 month averages, annualized
4.3% 4.3% 5.4% 4.4% 5.1% 4.5% 5.4% 4.0% 3.6% 4.7%

Below are the rolling 3 month, 6 month, and 12 month graphs of the core PCE (classically the Fed's favorite inflation indicator for projecting future inflation).

They all indicate that this inflation measure has been essentially stalled for 6 months to a year depending on which rolling average you look at, with upward movement at the end. At more than twice the Fed's 2% inflation target.

It all points to a Core PCE that is a bit more than double the Fed's target. Before January's number, one could argue there's been a very slow downward tilt over the last 6-8 months. With January's number, it's more like a flatlining.

Some may say that January is an anomalous "one off" on the high side. Others may say that December is an anomalous "one off" on the low side that January corrects.

There's a lot of chatter about the "no landing" scenario -- that inflation continues to stay elevated like in the graphs. I think with just a quarter percent rate hike on March 22, and another quarter point increase on May 3, that will likely continue to be the case for a long time.

GRAPHS: The "x" axis is the month of the year, where the "1" is January 2022, "12" is December 2022, and "13" is January 2023.

All of the percentage increases are annualized numbers

On the rolling 3 month one can say its been flatlined since April 2022 at around 4.5%, with wiggles

The rolling 6 month - one can say its been flatlined since January 2022 at close to 5%, with wiggles

The rolling 12 month average has basically flatlined since July to about 4.7%.

I've always been a severe critic of 12 month inflation numbers when assessing RECENT or CURRENT inflation, but provide it for comparative purposes.



CORE PCE, which is shown in the above graphs: https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/PCEPILFE

(PCE is at: https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/PCEPI )

Percentages are calculated from the actual index numbers, not on averaging one-significant-digit numbers.

At 4.5% inflation, the value of a dollar drops to 50 cents in just 16 years.

On Friday March 31 we will see the new PCE inflation report that includes February.

Wholesale prices (the PPI) came in at just 0.2% in February (2.4% annualized) so we may see better CPI and PCE numbers in March. And maybe the banking turmoil will dampen inflation (if companies are nervous about expanding and hiring until the dust settles on the banks situation. And likewise consumer spending).

hamsterjill

(15,220 posts)
21. I second this!
Wed Mar 22, 2023, 08:59 PM
Mar 2023

This is only hurting working people. It’s absurd. There has got to be a better way.

drray23

(7,627 posts)
3. that's good.
Wed Mar 22, 2023, 02:08 PM
Mar 2023

a quarter point signal they are tapering off. Previous hikes were all on the 0.5 to 3/4 range.

Igel

(35,300 posts)
14. Sounds good.
Wed Mar 22, 2023, 07:15 PM
Mar 2023

But this morning NPR was debating 0 point vs half point.

0 point argument: "Banking crisis!"

Half point argument: "Inflation!"

I ed and thought, "So quarter point is a compromise. Says, 'We mean business but it's not a true crisis, yet ... and we're aren't heartless, for now'."

They say that future data will determine behavior, I take them at their word.

On edit:
I like post #10, this thread. The idea that risk of bank failure might restrict credit--the goal of higher interest rates, after all--might also count as "credit" towards a rate hike.

Problem is, how *much* of a credit is unknown (to my knowledge, henceforth "TMK&quot .

LittleGirl

(8,287 posts)
6. But, of course because
Wed Mar 22, 2023, 02:17 PM
Mar 2023

all the previous hikes just made banks fail !
It’s not working. How about lowering the allowable price gouging that has made inflation continue? Because nobody is brave enough to propose a stop to the greed.
Capitalism for the little people and socialism for the gouging corporations.

Igel

(35,300 posts)
15. Most didn't.
Wed Mar 22, 2023, 07:40 PM
Mar 2023

SVB was stupid. They responded, too late, based on Moody's fact-based advice.

The Fed advised but didn't use the full regulatory apparatus against them. All the "stress test" rhetoric ... optional, unless the Fed said otherwise. Did the regulators say otherwise? No. But that's tier 2. Few have mentioned the "tier 1" guilty--the state regulators, since it was primary a state bank. Yes, I've looked at the relevant facts--but no source less than 20% far from center has even mentioned this. At best, NPR mentioned "others".

Why not name the guiltier? (Mind you, I freely verb nouns given a verb or adjective, and adjective nouns, verbs, and even other adjectives.)

IronLionZion

(45,433 posts)
9. The bank news is probably spooking some folks
Wed Mar 22, 2023, 03:21 PM
Mar 2023

banks might want to show some restraint if there are more eyes watching them. But GOP are of course against regulating them.

I spend a lot on restaurants and groceries but don't really buy much stuff otherwise to treat myself. Prices are sky high for housing and vehicles and other big purchases that require financing.

mathematic

(1,439 posts)
10. No surprise. Listened to the conference and they're taking into account recent bank failures
Wed Mar 22, 2023, 03:31 PM
Mar 2023

Highlights:

-Inflation is still very much an issue, and bad
-Banking system stress will likely work similarly to a Fed rate hike to reduce inflation, making more rate hikes less likely
-Future Fed decisions will depend on how much of an effect this has had, as well as the usual data
-SVB review is being conducted and Powell expects to increase bank supervision (regulation) as a result
-Banking system has held up during the stress and all deposits are safe

Seems reasonable. One thing I'd like to point out is that Fed policy does not exist to make bank shareholders money. As long as the banking system works and deposits are safe then they can continue with the monetary policy that achieves their dual mandate of low inflation and low unemployment.

cstanleytech

(26,291 posts)
11. The ultra wealthy won't suffer from increased hikes and inflation but they are forgetting something.
Wed Mar 22, 2023, 03:46 PM
Mar 2023

That is that there are hundreds of millions of more us and we have the majority of the guns and ammo.

cstanleytech

(26,291 posts)
25. What can I say I just think guns do not actually protect people in the end.
Thu Mar 23, 2023, 01:51 AM
Mar 2023

If they did our murder rate would be almost nonexistant but the number of innocent deaths per year proves they do not achieve that.

newdayneeded

(1,955 posts)
27. I have a shotgun and a rifle
Thu Mar 23, 2023, 11:51 AM
Mar 2023

and I'm happy to inform you I've never masterbated to either of them (most gunnuts can't say that). they're for occasional hunting, locked away any other time.

Johnny2X2X

(19,060 posts)
28. Jobs
Thu Mar 23, 2023, 12:19 PM
Mar 2023

Seems Powell is concerned with the jobs market remaining so strong. Inflation has come down from 9.1% to 6.0%, it's been coming down steadily sinice last Summer, let's see what happens.

yaesu

(8,020 posts)
34. This will pretty much tank our chances of keeping the WH imho, the pain this causes
Thu Mar 23, 2023, 03:54 PM
Mar 2023

will be felt by everyone but the Uber rich. Why president Biden continues to let a republican bankster take down the economy before a crucial election is beyond me.

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