Rand Paul stunned by Moderna CEO: Less risk of myocarditis for people who take vaccine

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

Source: Raw Story

Moderna CEO Stéphane Bancel surprised Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY) by explaining that the risk of myocarditis decreased in boys who took the company's Covid-19 vaccine.

"Is there a higher interest or a higher incidence of myocarditis among adolescent males 16 to 24 after taking your vaccine?" Paul, a vaccine critic, asked the CEO at a Senate hearing on Wednesday.

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"The data I've shown, actually, I've seen, sorry, from the CDC, actually shown that there's less myocarditis for people who get the vaccine versus who get COVID infection," Bancel explained.

Paul sounded shocked: "You're saying that for ages 16 to 24 among males who take the COVID vaccine, their risk of myocarditis is less than people who get the disease?"

Read more: https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/rand-paul-stunned-by-moderna-ceo-less-risk-of-myocarditis-for-people-who-take-vaccine/ar-AA18WPyH

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Sounds like Paul believes the bullshit that the vaccine causes COVID

[Emile]

1. WTF is wrong with Rand Paul?

[irisblue]

2. He uses oxygen

Also he did grow up in the Paul family.

Fuck Ron Paul, for the record

[Skittles]

22. his neighbor knows

yes INDEED

[calimary]

38. Everything.

[AllaN01Bear]

59. another one in full stupid mode.

[Evolve Dammit]

3. brain trauma from mercury amalgam fillings and crowns. Neuro-toxin. Or Dad brain-washing?

[Marcus IM]

7. Got links for brain trauma from mercury amalgam fillings?

As far as I know*, no crowns are made of mercury or amalgam.


(* I'm a retired DDS.)

[Evolve Dammit]

9. mercury off-gassing is documented from fillings. Hope you're right about caps/crowns.

[sybylla]

64. documented, but still no links.

Beginning to think you don't have any real evidence.

[Evolve Dammit]

69. I'm a career environmental inspector. We had a Jerome meter that we passed around when we got

the 25K instrument. Those with more fillings had much higher levels. There's your link.

[Evolve Dammit]

70. Mercury amalgam fillings, widely used for decades are considered hazardous waste. Google states that

have requirements in the dental industry for proper disposal of neuro-toxin.

[Comfortably_Numb]

4. Rand the puke needs to just *uck all the way off.

Every time he opens his mouth he sounds more eat-up-with-dumbass than the time before. Truly a disgusting barely life form. Kudos to his neighbor.

[lastlib]

41. With a pitchfork. Sideways.

This mode of self-fornication is HIGHLY recommended in his case.

[rickford66]

5. He needs another neighborly visit.

[Marcus IM]

6. Why does Moderna CEO say "sorry" when presenting factual info?

I guess one has to be polite to those who (de)regulate their industry.

[friend of a friend]

13. I think he said sorry because he said I've shown, and he corrected it to I've seen.

[Deuxcents]

14. I didn't take it that way..she corrected herself by saying "seen"instead of "shown". No apology for

The facts of her statement.

[Marcus IM]

42. Upon another look, yes, you are correct. Thank you.

[Hekate]

16. In context, sounds like a verbal tic. Women often do that to not seem aggressive.

No idea if Stephane is male or female — but I am an older woman.

[oldsoftie]

30. The Moderna CEO is a man.

[Hekate]

40. Thanks.

[Jim__]

8. Some information based on CDC reports.

From VaccinesWork

The CDC researchers estimated there might be a maximum of 70 cases of myocarditis out of a million second doses given to boys ages 12 to 17, but that the vaccine would prevent 5,700 infections, 215 hospitalisations and two deaths.

It’s key to note that COVID-19 itself can cause heart problems in young people, and a small proportion who recover from the disease can be left with inflammation of the heart.

Dr James de Lemos, a cardiologist at the University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center in Dallas, who reported one of the first cases at the start of the year, said in the New York Times “It’s going to be manifold more common to get heart muscle inflammation from getting COVID than you would from getting a vaccine, even in young men.”

[malaise]

11. The frightening part is that this fucker

attended Med school
Paul attended Baylor University and is a graduate of the Duke University School of Medicine. Paul was a practicing medical doctor (ophthalmology) in Bowling Green, Kentucky from 1993 until his election to the Senate in 2010. He was re-elec

[Marcuse]

15. True dat, but he is self certified.

Dr. Paul is now certified by an organization called the National Board of Ophthalmology (NBO).

Which is convenient, since when the NBO incorporated in 1999, the documents list one Rand Paul as both its founding president and director. The NBO went out of business in 2000, but Paul resurrected it in 2005, just in time to revive his lapsed board certification. In contrast to the ABO, which has a staff of 11 in its Philadelphia office, the NBO’s address is a UPS box in Bowling Green. Rented by, well, you know.
[link:https://blog.hospitalmedicine.org/dr-rand-paul-not-all-board-certifications-are-created-equal/|

[malaise]

18. I forgot about that

A DUer posted about that some time back -(3 knows more than the certifying bodies. OK then 😀

[aggiesal]

23. I believe he was studying to become a dentist ...

but couldn't pass the boards.
So he created his own board and self-certified to be able to carry the Dr. title.

I could be wrong, but that's as I remember it.

[reACTIONary]

46. Not my understanding....

... is and was an ophthalmologist, never a DDS, or aspiring DDS. The fake board certification organization is an offshoot of his libertarian ideology. He doesn't "believe" in state regulation of professional practice, so this was his stunt to oppose it,

[Midnight Writer]

49. Wonder if his "6 peer reviewed publications" are also issued by do-it-yourself organizations.

Maybe issuing publications from the same Bowling Green, KY P O Box.

[Maraya1969]

52. I would love to know more about those "peer reviewed" articles

Also. Unfortunately, I am on this phone now and the link is to Microsoft and Microsoft now requires that you use their app to read on their page. All I kept getting were more links to follow from that link in the OP.

I’m really getting tired of all these apps, and having to open an app for everything or download an app for everything

[elleng]

17. Everything about him is frightening.

Saw awful way he treated Dr. Fauci just ONE. (seen on yesterday's American Masters.)

[raging moderate]

63. Yes, but did he actually GRADUATE from Baylor University?

I read somewhere that he did not complete more than 2-3 years at Baylor University. Wouldn't that explain why he had to FAKE his certification to be a genuine ophthalmologist? Did the actual medical doctors notice Rand Paul's inadequacies as a doctor and thus discover the truth that strings had been pulled for Rand Paul, so he was only PRETENDING to be qualified to practice medicine? And does his inadequate undergraduate education explain WHY he does not understand the MEDICAL EVIDENCE about the COVID-19 vaccines?

[malaise]

66. Don't have a clue

😀

[RockRaven]

12. This has been known since the vaccines were first approved 2+ years ago. It was in the

studies which were used to gain initial approval, and has remained true in the studies done since then.

Anyone who speaks publicly on this matter whilst claiming some mantle of authority -- such as Paul -- can only not know this by willfully persistently mis-informing themselves.

[WVreaper]

19. Rand Paul stunned?

Was he tazed?
Did he wake up and realize that he is an optistrision and not and actual medical doctor?

[ShazzieB]

20. I don't know if he actually believes the b.s. or not.

Sounds like Paul believes the bullshit that the vaccine causes COVID.

It does sound like he may believe it, but either way, he's REALLY not happy to hear an "expert" come right and say it's b.s. in a Senate hearing, in front of God and everybody!

[aggiesal]

21. Rand Paul was stunned by Moderna CEO response that vacinated people getting

myocarditis is less than people who get the disease, because Rand Paul had his own reports
that contradicted the report that the Moderna CEO is referencing.

I don't know who is right.
Does anyone have the actual numbers? Maybe provide a link?

Here is the video exchange between the two.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/video/health/gop-senator-says-moderna-president-privately-acknowledged-myocarditis-risk/vi-AA18X1hw

[ornotna]

24. You don't know who is right?

[oldsoftie]

31. Paul says there are 6 "peer reviewed studies'. Are there? I'd like to see them

Why wouldnt we want to see them if they really ARE peer reviewed? I'd like to see just who conducted them & how they were conducted.

[aggiesal]

33. I agree. I'd like to see them from the CDC as well. n/t

[SouthernDem4ever]

57. his peers include

Dr. Jekyll, Dr, Death, Dr. Hannibal Lecter, Dr. Carl Clauberg, Dr. Josef Mengele, & Dr. Evil.

[aggiesal]

58. That's a pretty exclusive club. No wonder he's so smart. n/t

[Marcuse]

25. From #8 Jim above.

The CDC researchers estimated there might be a maximum of 70 cases of myocarditis out of a million second doses given to boys ages 12 to 17, but that the vaccine would prevent 5,700 infections, 215 hospitalisations and two deaths.

[PlanetBev]

26. I've got idiopathic cardiomyopathy

I have a defibrillator as a back-up. Glad I got the vaccine and all the boosters. If I got myocarditis, my fucked would be fucked.

Can’t believe this excuse for a senator, let alone an excuse for a human being.

[FakeNoose]

44. And the stupid voters in Kentucky keep sending him back to Washington

[Kennah]

27. I daresay Rand Paul is stunned by hammers

[republianmushroom]

28. I'm glad he is not my doctor.

No, Paul, he is saying 16 - 24 year old males who take the vaccine,
their risk for myocarditis is less than those who don't.

[oldsoftie]

29. Where are the 6 "peer reviewed studies" Paul refers to?

I'd like to see them

[BOSSHOG]

32. His Peers?

Peer reviewed sounds cool to “Doctor Rand. He sounded disappointed that 16 to 24 yr old males didn’t die after getting vaccinated. But he loves his socialist paycheck and socialist perks as a senator. And like trump he loves stupid people for without them he wouldn’t be in the senate.

[oldsoftie]

51. Now you KNOW what "peer reviewed" means

unless that was just a joke!

[The Wizard]

34. Kim Jong Paul

is not the sharpest knife in the drawer

[The_Casual_Observer]

37. He doesn't rate the drawer he's in the toilet.

[summer_in_TX]

35. Maybe he was confusing which vaccine.

There were reports of myocarditis associated with the Johnson and Johnson vaccine.

[The_Casual_Observer]

36. Paul is an idiot. A stupid republican.

Of course he wouldn't know anything.

[DENVERPOPS]

61. Just another Republican, running around in the capitol

with a serious case of: Teenie Weenie Peenie Complex..........Just like Trump, McConnell, etc etc

[ismnotwasm]

39. Covid is a vascular disorder disease

Rand is one of the biggest tools

[oldsoftie]

53. Huh?

[ismnotwasm]

60. You thought it was respiratory, well it is.

It’s also vascular is a better way to say it
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7556303/

[Wonder Why]

43. Where has he been. That info came out in 2021.

[Quixote1818]

45. Rand Paul made the same mistake as Joe Rogan who was fact checked on his own show. (video)

[rpannier]

47. "You're saying that for ages 16 to 24 among males who take the COVID vaccine, their risk of myocardi

...tis is less than people who get the disease?"

Paul follow-up
"You're saying that for ages 16 to 24 among white males of Latvian heritage who stand less than 5'9" tall, graduated from a beauty college in the upper midwest and have travelled to Canada more than twice who take the COVID vaccine, their risk of myocarditis is less than people who get the disease?"

[grantcart]

56. Good one. He added that he had 6 Peer Review studies that proved it

His cousin Peeriantus (Peer) Review told him that he studied 6 cases that proved it so.

[moniss]

48. My goodness

it seems that Dr. Paul is going to have to have further consultations with Dr. Rogan and Dr. Rodgers. Maybe a call to Dr. Clapton too.

[Samrob]

50. Hasn't the GQP noticed yet that all their "oversight investigations" are backfiring?

But that's ok. Don't "woke" them. Let them sleep.

[onetexan]

54. Jackass Rand needs to have his medical license revoked

[nuxvomica]

55. Maybe dawn has finally come to Marblehead

If this actually registers with Paul's brain, maybe he might want to re-think some other ideas he has had. He could be wrong about other stuff too!

[geardaddy]

62. Hedgehog Hair needs his medical license taken away n/t

[jaxexpat]

65. R. Paul, like F. Gump is not a smart man.

[raging moderate]

67. Did Rand Paul actually complete ALL the training to qualify as a doctor?

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He does not have REAL certification as an ophthalmologist. He faked it! Did he ever actually practice medicine as a genuine ophthalmologist, which would require very high-level medical expertise? Why couldn't he get REAL certification in the GENUINE certification board run by GENUINE MEDICAL DOCTORS? Did the REALLY QUALIFIED MEDICAL DOCTORS notice important GAPS in his understanding of medical practice? Did they then uncover the truth that his education had been rigged for him? I read that he completed perhaps 3 years at Baylor University. Would that last year of undergraduate education with advanced biology courses have prepared Rand Paul to actually UNDERSTAND the evidence for the COVID-19 vaccines? Did somebody PULL STRINGS so he could get into medical school under false pretenses? And did somebody also pull strings so he could be treated leniently in medical school? Is that the reason he sounds so clueless in these hearings?

[jaxexpat]

71. Don't know but it sure fits.

Son of the "Billy Graham" of perpetual candidate grifting, Ron Paul. A true master of snake oil salesmanship who sidelined as an OBGYN in the USAF.

[The Bopper]

68. Stunned

By FACTS, his whole spiel is he’s smarter than the world. If I recall he actually started his own “accreditation” group so he could say he accredited. His whole life seems to revolve around MSU (made up sh*t) which is why he fits in so well in Trumpsylvannia.