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BumRushDaShow

(165,897 posts)
Mon May 1, 2023, 03:35 PM May 2023

The U.S. could hit the debt ceiling by June 1, much sooner than expected, Yellen warns

Last edited Mon May 1, 2023, 06:45 PM - Edit history (3)

Source: CNBC

WASHINGTON — Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen on Monday warned that the United States may run out of measures to pay its debt obligations by June 1, earlier than the government and Wall Street had been expecting.

In a letter to House Speaker Kevin McCarthy, Yellen said new data on tax receipts forced the department to move up its estimate of when the Treasury Department “will be unable to continue to satisfy all of the government’s obligations” to potentially as early as June 1, if Congress doesn’t raise or suspend the debt limit before then.

This date is earlier than Wall Street economists were expecting. Goldman Sachs’ latest estimate this week put the deadline at some point in late July, though the bank’s economists acknowledged that weaker-than-expected tax receipts could advance that timeline.

On Monday, President Joe Biden called the “big four” congressional leaders — Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer, Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, McCarthy and House Democratic Leader Hakeem Jeffries — to invite them to a May 9 meeting at the White House to discuss the debt limit, a White House official told NBC. The Congressional Budget Office also revised its estimate for the so-called x-date on Monday.

Read more: https://www.cnbc.com/2023/05/01/treasury-debt-limit-measures-may-run-out-by-june-1-yellen-says-in-letter-to-mccarthy.html



Article updated.

Previous articles/headline -

WASHINGTON -- Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen on Monday warned that the United States may run out of measures to pay its debt obligations by June 1, earlier than the government and Wall Street had been expecting.

In a letter to House Speaker Kevin McCarthy, Yellen said new data on tax receipts forced the department to move up its estimate of when the Treasury Department "will be unable to continue to satisfy all of the government's obligations" to "potentially as early as June 1, if Congress does not raise or suspend the debt limit before that time."

This date is earlier than Wall Street economists were expecting. Goldman Sachs' latest estimate this week put the deadline at some point in late July, though the bank's economists acknowledged that weaker-than-expected tax receipts could move that timeline up further.

On Monday, President Joe Biden called the "big four" congressional leaders: Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer, Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, McCarthy and House Democratic Leader Hakeem Jeffries to invite all four men to a May 9 meeting at the White House to discuss the debt limit, a White House official told NBC. The Congressional Budget Office also revised its estimate for the so-called X-date on Monday.



Treasury debt limit measures may run out by June 1, Yellen says in letter to McCarthy

WASHINGTON -- Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen on Monday warned that the United States may run out of measures to pay its debt obligations by June 1, earlier than the government and Wall Street had been expecting.

In a letter to House Speaker Kevin McCarthy, Yellen said new data on tax receipts forced the department to move up its estimate of when the Treasury Department "will be unable to continue to satisfy all of the government's obligations" to "early June, and potentially as early as June 1, if Congress does not raise or suspend the debt limit before that time."

This date is earlier than Wall Street economists were expecting. Goldman Sachs' latest estimate this week put the deadline at some point in late July, though the bank's economists acknowledged that weaker-than-expected tax receipts could move that timeline up further. The Congressional Budget Office also revised its estimate for the so-called X-date on Monday.

"Because tax receipts through April have been less than the Congressional Budget Office anticipated in February, we now estimate that there is a significantly greater risk that the Treasury will run out of funds in early June," wrote CBO director Phill Swagel.



Original article -

WASHINGTON -- Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen said Monday in a letter to House Speaker Kevin McCarthy that new data on tax receipts has forced the agency to move up its estimate of when the Treasury Department "will be unable to continue to satisfy all of the government's obligations" to "early June, and potentially as early as June 1, if Congress does not raise or suspend the debt limit before that time."

"This estimate is based on currently available data, as federal receipts and outlays are inherently variable, and the actual date that Treasury exhausts extraordinary measures could be a number of weeks later than these estimates," Yellen wrote.


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nowforever

(586 posts)
1. 14th Amendment is clear
Mon May 1, 2023, 03:43 PM
May 2023

The debt limit needs to be ignored as it violates our Constitution. Biden needs end the GOP debt limit games permanently.

former9thward

(33,424 posts)
2. I do some consulting work for a federal agency.
Mon May 1, 2023, 03:45 PM
May 2023

I have noticed that they have started to pay me on funds drawn from the Dept. of Agriculture. I am not consulting for that department and my work is about as far away from that as you can get. I guess Agriculture has some extra money and they are shifting accounts around to pay bills.

BumRushDaShow

(165,897 posts)
3. If there is overlap of/between Departments/Agencies
Mon May 1, 2023, 04:02 PM
May 2023

for certain work (including through partnerships, MOUs, etc) then they could conceivably transfer monies between pots or pay out diectly. Otherwise depending on how the appropriations were written, they could just go ahead and request approval for reprogramming. Some general info on that - https://www.everycrsreport.com/reports/R43098.html

The current appropriations are here -

H.R.2617 - Consolidated Appropriations Act, 2023

TomCADem

(17,837 posts)
4. The Fruit of Russia/Republican Collusion
Mon May 1, 2023, 04:05 PM
May 2023

Creating a default would be one of the most effective ways for Russia/Republicans to cripple the US. It is a win-win for this coalition dealing an economic blow for the US while allowing Republicans to blame Democrats for their own malfeasance like a hostage taker blaming a victim’s family for failing to pay their extortionate demands.

 

Chainfire

(17,757 posts)
5. The Republians want to wreck the economy, blame it on Biden, and claim that they are the only ones
Mon May 1, 2023, 04:14 PM
May 2023

who can fix it. It is a political Munchausen Syndrome by Proxy move.

Fiendish Thingy

(22,082 posts)
6. No negotiations with terrorists
Mon May 1, 2023, 04:31 PM
May 2023

Clean bill or no bill.

The markets will likely start gyrating tomorrow; Let the hedge fund managers reign in their lackeys in the house.

Kevin, start packing up your office.

Biden’s speechwriters better start working on that 14th amendment speech, just in case the crazies don’t cave.

andym

(6,053 posts)
8. What about minting the trillion dollar coin?
Mon May 1, 2023, 06:23 PM
May 2023

Wasn't that an option previously during the last statelemate?

yaesu

(9,016 posts)
10. The government can just ignore the debt limit, pay the bills and let the
Mon May 1, 2023, 06:57 PM
May 2023

Courts fight it out since it's right in the constitution the the US must pay it's debt no matter what.

yaesu

(9,016 posts)
9. After their anti abortion screwup the last thing repukes want to deal with is millions
Mon May 1, 2023, 06:54 PM
May 2023

of mad as hell retirees. Their rich handler's wouldn't mind but don't think they will walk that plank.

TomCADem

(17,837 posts)
11. Wrong. Retirees Watching Fox News Will Be Told To Blame Democrats
Mon May 1, 2023, 07:42 PM
May 2023

If you believe that Trump was lost due to election fraud, that horse medicine works better the vaccines and Putin was not at fault for invading Ukraine, believing that Republicans wanted to avoid default, but that Democrats were the ones insisting on defaulting is not too big a lift.

Martin68

(27,089 posts)
13. Biden and/or Democratic Senators should invoke the Constitutional rule that the United States will
Mon May 1, 2023, 08:49 PM
May 2023

pay all debts. That overrides the artificial debt ceiling gambit. It's just an invention of anti-American Republicans.

Bayard

(28,646 posts)
15. Wouldn't this also affect Congressional salaries?
Tue May 2, 2023, 09:19 AM
May 2023

Even though most probably don't need them.

BumRushDaShow

(165,897 posts)
16. What happened the last time they initiated the hostage taking and torture
Tue May 2, 2023, 10:41 AM
May 2023

the Credit Raters downgraded the U.S. credit rating -

S&P was in first with their shot -

2011

US loses AAA credit rating after S&P downgrade

Published

6 August 2011



One of the world's leading credit rating agencies, Standard & Poor's, has downgraded the United States' top-notch AAA rating for the first time ever. S&P cut the long-term US rating by one notch to AA+ with a negative outlook, citing concerns about budget deficits.

The agency said the deficit reduction plan passed by the US Congress on Tuesday did not go far enough.

Correspondents say the downgrade could erode investors' confidence in the world's largest economy. It is already struggling with huge debts, unemployment of 9.1% and fears of a possible double-dip recession.

The downgrade is a major embarrassment for the administration of President Barack Obama and could raise the cost of US government borrowing. This in turn could trickle down to higher interest rates for local governments and individuals.

(snip)

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-14428930


At the time, Treasury found an error in S&P's calculations that prompted what would be their ratings snafu -

(snip)

WEEKEND WONKBOOK – the error Treasury found: In constructing discretionary spending over the 10-year window, S&P took the alternative fiscal scenario and subtracted $900 billion. The alternative fiscal scenario assumed that discretionary spending would grow with nominal GDP growth – on average, about 5 percent a year over the next 10 years. The $900 billion was taken from a CBO score of the savings from discretionary spending caps, relative to CBO’s March 2011 baseline. That baseline assumes that discretionary spending grows with inflation – on average, about 2 percent a year over the next 10 years. So the March 2011 baseline is about $2 trillion lower than the alternative fiscal scenario. S&P initially was using 93 percent as a projected debt-to-GDP figure for 2021. Apres correction, it was 85 percent, a difference of about $2 trillion.

EVEN WONKIER: In the report, S&P publishes net public debt, which includes federal debt, plus state and local debt. The net public debt numbers started out at 93 percent of GDP in the draft, and were corrected to 85 percent. The federal debt, which S&P doesn’t report, changed from 87 percent of GDP, down to 79 percent of GDP.

(snip)

https://www.politico.com/tipsheets/playbook/2011/08/tragic-us-toll-as-taliban-shoots-down-special-ops-chopper-in-afghanistan-treasury-frantically-rips-s-p-draft-rationale-for-downgrade-forcing-changes-s-p-strips-us-aaa-status-003186


Interestingly enough, S&P had been under SEC investigation and suddenly this happens.

S&P eventually settled multiple instances of their ratings malfeasance.

2012

Smaller rater Eagan-Jones cut the rating twice -

Financials
April 6, 2012 10:35 AM Updated 11 years ago
Egan-Jones cuts U.S. rating on debt burden

By Richard Leong

3 Min Read

NEW YORK, April 6 (Reuters) - Egan-Jones Ratings downgraded the credit level of the United States as Washington has struggled to reduce the federal debt burden, which is projected to surpass the size of the country’s economy.

The independent rating firm, which issued the downgrade late Thursday, said its senior debt rating on the United States is now AA, its third highest rating, down one notch from AA-plus.

It also maintained a negative watch on the world’s biggest economy as the federal debt load could rise to $16.7 trillion at the end of 2012. U.S. gross domestic product, in the meantime, could grow to $15.7 trillion, assuming it would grow at a rate of 2.5 percent, the firm said.

The firm downgraded the United States for second time in less than nine months “because of the lack of any tangible progress on addressing the problems and the continued rise in debt to GDP,” said Sean Egan, co-founder of firm, in an e-mail statement.

(snip)

https://www.reuters.com/article/ratings-usa-egan-idUSL2E8F629N20120406


Similar to S&P, Eagan-Jones had been under SEC investigation and eventually settled a year later.


2013

In 2013, Fitch did their thing (but didn't "downgrade" )-

Rating Action Commentary
Fitch Places United States' 'AAA' on Rating Watch Negative

Tue 15 Oct, 2013 - 4:44 PM ET

Fitch Ratings-New York/London-15 October 2013: Fitch Ratings has placed the United States of America's (U.S.) 'AAA' Long-term foreign and local currency Issuer Default Ratings (IDRs) on Rating Watch Negative (RWN). The ratings of all outstanding U.S. sovereign debt securities have also been placed on RWN, as has the U.S. Short-term foreign currency rating of 'F1+'. The Outlook on the Long-term ratings was previously Negative. The U.S. Country Ceiling has been affirmed at 'AAA'.

Fitch expects to resolve the RWN by the end of Q114 at the latest, although timing would necessarily reflect developments and events, including the duration of any agreement to raise the debt ceiling.

KEY RATING DRIVERS
In line with Fitch's previous statements, the RWN reflects the following key rating drivers and their relative weights:

High
- The U.S. authorities have not raised the federal debt ceiling in a timely manner before the Treasury exhausts extraordinary measures. The U.S. Treasury Secretary has said that extraordinary measures will be exhausted by 17 October, leaving cash reserves of just USD30bn. Although Fitch continues to believe that the debt ceiling will be raised soon, the political brinkmanship and reduced financing flexibility could increase the risk of a U.S. default.

(snip)

https://www.fitchratings.com/research/sovereigns/fitch-places-united-states-aaa-on-rating-watch-negative-15-10-2013


Fitch later updated their "outlook" to "negative" again after removing the "negative" in 2014 in 2020 but didn't downgrade.

So outside of any actual funding issues for many things (aside from salaries - although note that some funding is actually not appropriated but is from things like payroll taxes, etc), there are other impactful things that can and have happened during hostage-taking scenarios, like credit ratings downgrades.
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