Judge Aileen Cannon grants 'unnecessary' delay in Trump documents case

[riversedge]

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Source: raw story



David Edwards July 11, 2023, 10:02 AM ET


Controversial U.S. District Judge Aileen Cannon granted a delay for Donald Trump's aide and co-defendant Walt Nauta in a classified documents case. Prosecutors have called the delay "unnecessary."

In a filing on Monday, Nauta's team asked to delay Friday's hearing, which was set to determine how some materials would be handled in the trial. The attorneys did not propose a date for the new hearing.

"An indefinite continuance is unnecessary, will inject additional delay in this case, and is contrary to the public interest," special counsel Jack Smith said in a subsequent filing on Monday.

On Tuesday, Cannon granted a 4-day delay, setting the new hearing for July 18 at 2:00 P.M. A court filing said Trump and Smith had agreed to the new date.
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Read more: https://www.rawstory.com/aileen-cannon-delay/

[Fiendish Thingy]

1. I'm not going to get upset over four days

I’m more interested in how Cannon will rule if Trump’s attorney still hasn’t filed his application for a security clearance by next Tuesday.

[agingdem]

3. I think the four day delay is of no consequence to

Jack Smith...I think Jack Smith's team is gearing up to fight Trump's motion to delay the trial until after the 2024 election...

[Fiendish Thingy]

5. Yup. Nt

[TheRealNorth]

7. I agree

I worry more about loose Cannon trying to delay the trial until after the election.

[prodigitalson]

25. this will never go to trial before the election (maybe ever) if she is the judge

tfg will already be serving time for J6 or GA before Ailene ever let's this go to trial

[Kablooie]

55. I would bet it's the start of a long, long series of delays...

that will carry on for years.

[agingdem]

56. I think (and I could be wrong)...

that anymore delays and Jack Smith is going to indict Trump in New Jersey and possibly D.C...

[Hugh_Lebowski]

11. I wonder how much IQ45 will have to spend for ANY lawyer who's application would pass muster

The intersection of 'lawyers who'd work for him' and 'lawyers who can pass a security check to view Top Secret documents' I have to imagine is pretty small, esp. given how well it's known he runs out on every bill he possibly can.

Someone like Ted Olson should step up and be all "I'll do it, but the retainer is $20M cash upfront, and the hourly rate is $20,000"

[ificandream]

20. They'll find another excuse to delay it again.

[Fiendish Thingy]

21. Trump's lawyers are already putting forth motions to delay the trial

But Cannon has yet to rule on them.

That’s where the rubber meets the road.

There will be a series of hearings, starting next week, with a flurry of motions that Cannon will have to rule on.

It’s her rulings, not Trump’s motions, that interest me the most.

We are about to find out.

[msfiddlestix]

39. I agree.

I sort of feel like Jack Smith has this chess board mapped out with optional plays in his pocket.

Signalling he'll not hesitate to use them if necessary choosing the right moment.

just guessing from the bleachers. but i sort of feel like that's how he rolls.

[brush]

2. That judge seems determined to give trump and Nauta every little break.

SC Smith will just have to bid his time until she screws up and he can go to the 11th Circuit to get her off the case.

[riversedge]

4. tweet from Raw story about OP........

Here we go with the trump court delays. So it begins!!

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[Fiendish Thingy]

6. Raw Story is nothing but a click bait outrage farming enterprise. Nt

[gab13by13]

9. Raw Story doesn't have Pullitzer prize winning journalists

but I go there for the headlines because for some reason RS is usually one of the earliest for breaking news.

Raw Story hasn't hired people like John Solomon, yet "The Hill" gets linked here a lot.

[JohnSJ]

15. Agreed, and if I recall most of those Pulitzer journalists pushed the WMD myth, and the lie how the

email investigation was reopened, 11 days before the 2016 general election

[emulatorloo]

16. Additionally it steals real news organizations articles. then asks for donations to aide Raw Sto

Raw Story’s shady practices.

[Fiendish Thingy]

17. Exactly- they report on other's reporting

They excerpt the fair use limit from another source’s story, then pad it with their own click bait outrage farming language.

[Mickju]

35. I agree.

I tried them out early on, but finally decided they were presenting a lot of garbage.

[LiberalLovinLug]

40. Raw Story was one of the very first liberal point of view web news sites.

For me, I will always respect them for that and they should be given more by people in here.

There must be a few in here that remember when BartCop was like the first liberal news and humour site, and they would link to stories on Raw Story.

Raw Story was indispensable for a more left leaning person. Air America had collapsed. It was an oasis in the desert.

They DO have their own journalists with stories. But yes, they also post stories originating from other places......Hmmmm a little like Democratic Underground. Or Huffington Post.

I don 't know if the RW machine has targeted Raw Story as one of the earliest news sources that exposed them. And have heloed to purpatrate this antagonism in left wing circles against them. I am baffled.

No matter if it does have percieved flaws, there are so few liberal news sites, why target one of our own? If they provide liberals with pertinent information?

[Fiendish Thingy]

41. There are far better sites out there

Raw Story’s business model is to use emotionally charged languages and hyperbole to generate clicks, rather than let the facts do the talking.

[onenote]

42. +1

[LiberalLovinLug]

43. So what if their front page is set up to have highly charged text.

We live in a world where fascists are salivating at how well their disinformation campaining is working, without enough counterbalance like Raw Story provides.
I just went over there to look. Different headlines for their top stories include:

https://www.rawstory.com/

‘Gays for Trump’ leader wants Republicans to stop focusing on ‘stupid gray areas’

Trump has a plan to solve the White House's 'cocaine dilemma'

Kevin McCarthy faces the wrath of right-wingers again as he tries to get Pentagon bill passed

'I will be vindicated': MyPillow CEO scrambles to auction items as company’s revenue plummets

'A permanent white majority': Republicans engaged in hair-raising summer schemes — and Maddow has the receipts


Firstly, I don't see these headlines as much more sensationalist as most other news gathering sites. But if you do find them unnecessarily "emotionally charged languages and hyperbole", I would counter with the fact that not only is the actual news, in this era, sensationalistic at its source, but also unfortunately, the whole competitive world of web information sites dictate that to survive out there, they have a front page with more catchy headlines. You are obsessing on their business model rather than focusing on their contributions to getting out the stories.

Where do they not "let the facts do the talking"? They have a small staff of writers like Thom Hartmann and others. They link to their sources they don't write which are reputable. Are you saying that the news sources they link to, like MSNBC or Rachael Maddow, are not letting the facts do the talking? Links to the same source news links as a similar but different type of format site does, with the initials "DU".

The main point for me is that they are another source to spread stories that reflect a Democratic/Liberal/Progressive point of view. And were a pioneer in that field. We owe them a huge debt of gratitude for hanging in there and stayng alive even if it takes, what you perceive as overly "emotionally charged" headlines. Personally, I don't think the MSM is being emotionally charged as much as they should be, and still engage in too much normalization of the state of Republican party and threat of creeping Fascism.

This unusual and counter productive criticism of one of our own sites that gather and distribute factual news stories that are important to liberals of all stripes, for seemingly trivial reasons, I can only surmise is because of right wing misinformation and MAGA trolls that have been at work since the internet was up and the first liberal sites operated. The "vast right wing conspiracy" was already up and running when Hillary spoke those words back on the Bill Clinton presidential run. Its just sad to watch some Democrats fall for it.

[Fiendish Thingy]

48. The MSM is t supposed to be emotionally charged at all

They let the facts tell the story.

That’s why RS will never be a legitimate news source.

[LiberalLovinLug]

53. The ARE a legitimate news source.

Unless you agree that MSNBC, The Guardian, the Washington Post, and other sites commonly sourced in here as well are not legitimate. How do you dismiss those sources if Raw Story source them, but not DU for doing the same?

You are protesting a liberal news opinion, and news gathering website because they use "emotionally charged" headlines? Firstly, which one of those headlines in their page today that I listed was too emotionally charged for you to handle? Please explain how they are.

Also I might add if the behaviour of the modern day Republican party does not get you emotionally charged to match any of those headlines, then I don't know what to say. IMO they are too tame if anything.

BTW about the MSM being the examples of not having sensationalist looking headlines/imagery...







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[Fiendish Thingy]

58. I'm not rejecting the sources the Raw Story steals from

I’m rejecting the way they package and market those stories, using emotionally charged language and hyperbole to generate clicks.

They do very little original reporting- their business model is to use click bait strategies to attract readers to repackaged stories from other sources.

[hadEnuf]

22. At the very least she should recuse. She shouldn't even be a federal judge.

She has openly demonstrated her favoritism toward Trump.

[onenote]

29. The only thing that's surprising is that it was Trump that proposed the delay be only 4 days.

From Friday to Tuesday. Not a big deal.

[onenote]

45. WRONG. Before Cannon ruled, Trump filed a response proposing July 18

and stating that DOJ agreed to that date. She simply accepted that proposal.

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.flsd.648653/gov.uscourts.flsd.648653.65.0.pdf

[NH Ethylene]

46. Ahhh. I didn't read it carefully enough. Ty.

[oldsoftie]

8. Shouldn't the rules decided in trumps case be the same?

Since I'm sure theyre talking about classified info in an open court

[gab13by13]

12. The rules don't have to be the same for Nauta,

his charges don't directly involve classified documents. Yeah I know he moved them around but he is not being charged under the Espionage Act or theft of documents. I'm not so sure that Nauta's lawyer would even need a security clearance, but I'm probably wrong about that.

[Fiendish Thingy]

18. That's what next week's CIPA hearing is all about

Setting down the rules for the use of classified documents during the trial.

[gab13by13]

10. This delay doesn't affect Jack Smith's timeline, but,

Cannon didn't have to do the delay, there were other means available to not grant the delay.

Only 4 days is fine unless it becomes the pattern.

[agingdem]

24. I think now would be a great time for Jack Smith to

indict Trump in New Jersey/DC and .stick it to Trump's lawyers and let Cannon know they ain't having it with her delay bullshit

[onenote]

28. Since Smith agreed to this very short delay, I doubt he thinks it bullshit.

[agingdem]

34. the problem is she's got precedent...

and she is affording Trump delays she would not afford Nauta if he was solo...

[onenote]

36. The delay was primarily because Nauta's principal counsel has a scheduling conflict

And four days is a nothing burger, as shown by Smith's agreeing to it.

If Trump and Cannon were conspiring on significantly delaying the trial, why would Trump have proposed a de minimis delay before Cannon had a chance to come up with a date on her own?

[agingdem]

38. they're not conspiring...Trump has already filed a

motion requesting a trial delay until after the 2024 election...so we'll see...

[LetMyPeopleVote]

13. Mostly a non-event (rescheduling CIPA scheduling conference by a few days),

Link to tweet

[republianmushroom]

14. Nice having a judge in your pocket. From SC Justice to Federal District.

Right from the play book. Delay !

[Novara]

19. This article is confusing. it's a 4-day delay but Jack Smith is talking about an "indefinite" delay?

It appears that she is testing her limits. I wonder how many times she will push things until Jack Smith asks for her removal?

A four-day delay followed by another small delay followed by another and another will serve the orange pustule.

[onenote]

23. Of course its confusing. It's RawStory.

When Nauta's counsel asked for a delay in the CIPA pre-hearing (which was originally scheduled for 7/14), they didn't specify a date. So in opposing it, Smith referred to it as a request for an "indefinite" delay.


Before Cannon ruled, Trump and Nauta responded to the DOJ opposition by advising the court that all defense counsel would be available on July 18 and that DOJ did not oppose a continuance from July 14 to July 18. So its no surprise that Cannon granted this de minimis delay.

For those certain that this is part of a Trump delay strategy, the question is why would Trump step in and propose a short four day delay if his goal was significant delay?

[Novara]

47. Poorly written

Why would he request a short delay? To see if it works. And it did. Then he'll ask again and again and again. Lots of little delays will chip away at the timeline.

Of course he's playing the legal system the way he always has.

[onenote]

49. And Smith went along with it?

Do you think he's not smart enough to see the what you see?

[Novara]

50. He did. Probably because it was only four days

I hope he won't fall for it again.

[onenote]

51. So you do think "he fell for it." Okay then.

[Novara]

52. Maybe he's giving judge Qannon some rope to hang herself with

Truth is, no one knows what's inside Jack Smith's head. But I hope that he isn't going to let them chip away at the calendar with delay after delay, even if they are small delays. Several small delays add up.

Look, we all know this is how the orange motherfucker handles court cases: delay, delay, delay. So far nothing I've seen indicates he's changed that tactic, testing the waters with small delays to see if they will be granted.

[prodigitalson]

26. wait until you see her next trick

excluding all the evidence

[onenote]

27. Facts: the four day delay was proposed by Trump. It was agreed to by Smith.

Not sure how this constitutes some sort of misconduct by Cannon. In the greater scheme of things, its a very short delay (Friday to Tuesday) and was agreed to by Smith. If anything, its surprising that Trump was the one to propose such a short delay.

[H2O Man]

30. Recommended.

The four day delay is nothing to get up about. In fact, the manner in which it came about is a big plus for the prosecution.

[elleng]

31. He finally found a lawyer, who sure as heck needs time.

4 days no big deal.

[nevergiveup]

32. This is a bad start. 4 days doesn't sound like much but

if this happens 25 times that is 100 days or more than 3 months. This can go on and on and on and on and on and on and on.

[japple]

33. I wonder who is paying for Walt Nauta's attorneys. Couldn't be TFG as he doesn't

even pay his own.

[Kablooie]

54. Cannon will work with Trump to delay everything until sometime after the election.

just like he wants.

She wants to give him every opportunity she can to pardon himself.

If he doesn't win, just watch, she'll have the trial delayed and delayed until sometime after Trump is dead and gone.

Corruption runs deep and wide in the MAGA world.
It's the lifeblood of the movement.

[brooklynite]

57. Has DOJ described a 4-day delay as "unnecessary"?

[Omaha Steve]

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