The upper house of Russian parliament approves a ban on gender changes

[discocrisco01]

Source: Associated Press

MOSCOW (AP) — The upper house of Russia’s parliament on Wednesday unanimously approved a bill outlawing gender-affirming procedures, sending the measure to President Vladimir Putin to be signed into law.

The move extends the Kremlin’s drive to protect what it views as the country’s traditional values.

The bill, which already was approved in the lower house, bans any “medical interventions aimed at changing the sex of a person,” as well as changing one’s gender in official documents and public records

Read more: https://apnews.com/article/russia-gender-procedures-lgbtq-d2cd8fb1bd774f133d9c1c5b76a04fa0

[MarineCombatEngineer]

1. Right out of the GOP playbook,

Russia and the repigs, joined at the hip.

[2naSalit]

2. +1

[Initech]

8. Actually the GOP is probably copying Russia's playbook.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

9. Probably,

but the repigs are trying their best to emulate Russia.

[Marthe48]

3. Just like their U.S. fascist comrades

Why do so many people think that conservative, repressive values are going to save humanity? All the oligarchic despots can offer is mass murder, genocide, ethnic cleansing, war crimes, plagues, starvation and death by migration. People who side with this insanity might live a little longer than people fighting against fascist reigns, but they will eventually end up on the chopping block. Right down to the last 2 humans, which will probabky be 2 old white guys, who will kill each other over the last bit of cannibalized meat.

[xocetaceans]

7. "Starvation and death by migration" is a phrase that I don't think I've read before. Do you...

...happen to know (off the cuff) if that is considered a prosecutable crime or war crime?

If it is considered a prosecutable crime, could it be used against the oil and energy companies and their boards for what will seemingly undoubtably happen in certain regions of the planet in the next century? (If so, the groundwork for using this against them might be worth developing now.)

That is just a random question if you care to answer.

If your question is not purely rhetorical, it's not clear they are thinking beyond remaining in good standing with their in-groups and what those groups are doing. It's not clear they are even considering the long-term prospects of humanity.

(The following example happened in a "red" state.)

One guy at a theater, with whom I was talking the year of Trump's election in 2016, was spouting Limbaugh's talking points against the LGBTQIA+ community. I asked him directly what harm that community presented to him and why he was so concerned with regulating their lives. He said that "God" punishes nations on account of their misdeeds, so the USA would be punished for harboring "them": that's a close paraphrase of what he said. So, a good number of the people of whom you asked believe that they are suffering punishment from "on High" due to the presence of the LGBTQIA+ community.

Clearly, that is pure insanity, but I was slightly acquainted with the guy, so he was being dead serious in answering. He also was celebrating six months before the election of 2016 that Trump was going to win. (I did not see him much after that conversation as he moved away, but there never would have been much of a chance of bringing him around to a different perspective on people and the world.)

[Marthe48]

10. I don't know if they are war crimes

There is the U.N. Universal Declaration of Human Rights:

https://www.un.org/en/about-us/universal-declaration-of-human-rights

There is the Geneva Convention:
https://www.icrc.org/en/war-and-law/treaties-customary-law/geneva-conventions

There are universal religious precepts, but I won't list those, because they've been perverted beyond recognition

There is human decency, which the r's, and all of the alternate description of sadistic despots I used, do not have.

In the U.S. we can look at how Native Americans were treated: moved off their birth lands, to reservations, the Trail of Tears, the schools, the Massacre at Sand Creek (where an ancestor of the hate-filled rw of today said as he ordered the murders of women and children: 'nits make lice' Compare to tx. border patrol telling state troopers to shove nursing babies and children into the Rio Grande.

https://www.sierraclub.org/planet/2018/06/deprived-humanity-sand-creek-massacre-today#:~:text=In%20a%20single%20day%2C%20a,little%3B%20nits%20make%20lice.%E2%80%9D

In other countries, seems like genocide, no matter what you call it, can be covered up. Ottoman Empire massacre of Serbs (1870s till after 1900) and other times and places.

I notice that the rw blame anyone else for the natural disasters the planet can create. I don't see liberals doing the same, even though it is tempting to point out that red states get hit harder by tornadoes and hurricanes.

I think the climate conditions are already making people move to what they hope is safer ground, at great cost to individuals (boats capsizing, exploitation if the individuals land safely) russia just backed out of the deal to allow grain and other food products from Ukraine, so that deliberate choice will add to food shortages in places that won't be able to cope. If they could grow crops in an increasingly hostile to life area, they would and rely less on imports.

This whole subject is distressing to me. I'm old, white, straight, but every law like this that limits dignity of human makes me angry. I wish everyone that hates oppression would go vote and oust the rw maniacs and liars who continue to divide humans who'd probably get along just fine if people in leadership positions were decent.

[xocetaceans]

11. Thank you for your reply and those suggested links. If I get some more time in the next few . . .

. . . days, I'll take a look through them for that concept of "starvation and death by migration".

You make a good point that it might not be considered a crime based on the number of past events in US history that have caused exactly such a situation to occur. That it might fall under genocide is something I'll keep in mind as well.

Yes, I agree with the idea that people would probably get along fine if the leaders were decent.

I hope you have a nice day in spite of all the negative news that's out there.

[Marthe48]

12. Thank you

Hope you do too!

[LittleGirl]

4. Funny that they are copying the GOP. nt

[xocetaceans]

5. Russia (among other things) possibly hopes to stoke the sympathy that RWers have for fragile...

...Russia's "security perimeter" and how "big bad" NATO "encroached" on poor "Mother" Russia's "innocent" borders along with its "rightfully claimed, former bastion of Crimea and its associated frontier lands".

If Russia can sway the next election and put Trump (of some subset of the GOP) back in control of the government, Trump will get back to trying to extort NATO and Ukraine. It will be quid pro quo. If Putin offers Trump a bounty, Trump will turn to Ukraine or NATO and (again, as was similarly the cause of his first impeachment) ask if they can best Putin's offer: if they cannot, Trump will say, "That sure was a nice alliance or country that you had there. It just too bad what's happened to it."

(For anyone unclear on this issue, the early quotation marks indicate sarcastically stated items and the later ones what seems to be a possible statement that fits Trump's attitude towards NATO and Ukraine.)

[tornado34jh]

6. Russia had been like this long before the GOP even turned extremist

Even during the Soviet Union, most people in Russia were part of the Russian Orthodox Church (ROC), and again like most in Eastern Christianity, it is typically very conservative. But again, this ties into the fact that the ROC is part of the state in Russia. But again, like Poland and Hungary, they really want a totalitarian conservative dictatorship.