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BumRushDaShow

(165,899 posts)
Wed Aug 9, 2023, 01:03 PM Aug 2023

Tommy Tuberville is prepared to burn the military down over abortion protest Democratic senator says

Source: USA Today

WASHINGTON — Sen. Chris Murphy, D-Conn., accused Sen. Tommy Tuberville, R-Ala., on Tuesday of “being prepared to burn the military down” over Tuberville’s hold of military promotions that began in February. Tuberville has held up more than 200 military promotions for senior military jobs that require Senate confirmation, arguing that some Department of Defense abortion policies − such as provisions on paid leave and traveling expenses − violate federal law.

“I think everybody’s been hoping that Sen. Tuberville would back down, and I think we have to come to the conclusion that that is not happening and that he is prepared to burn the military down,” Murphy told reporters at the Capitol, according to The Hill. “Maybe Republicans were hopeful that leading up to the August break he would relent,” Murphy said. “He didn’t, and we now have to adjust our strategy.”

Murphy said that Senate Republicans need to find a “very targeted, temporary change in process” to bypass Tuberville’s hold, arguing that “there is no world” in which limited time on the Senate floor could be used to confirm these promotions individually, the outlet reported.

“I understand Republicans are not going to go for a permanent change in the rules, but I just think we have to start thinking creatively about breaking this logjam… Maybe when we get back in September there will be some openness to creative solutions,” Murphy said.

Read more: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2023/08/09/tommy-tuberville-burn-military-abortion-protest/70557116007/



Full headline: Tommy Tuberville is 'prepared to burn the military down' over abortion protest, Democratic senator says
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Tommy Tuberville is prepared to burn the military down over abortion protest Democratic senator says (Original Post) BumRushDaShow Aug 2023 OP
Abortion is just the excuse. temporary311 Aug 2023 #1
+1 2naSalit Aug 2023 #30
👆 👆 crickets Aug 2023 #41
Yep. Pulling a McConnell, denying appointments that come under a DEM POTUS n/t Attilatheblond Aug 2023 #46
Idiot. AltairIV Aug 2023 #2
He's such an asshole sakabatou Aug 2023 #3
It's time to burn Tommy Tuberville down. hadEnuf Aug 2023 #4
Change the rules. Or expel him. Oopsie Daisy Aug 2023 #5
some auditing of his campaign donations might be in order Attilatheblond Aug 2023 #47
Must be an IQ limit for republican pols...I mean with Tuberville, MTG... brush Aug 2023 #6
There is a limit on IQ for them ExWhoDoesntCare Aug 2023 #52
I'm just curious, did Tuberville used to play football without a helmet? iscooterliberally Aug 2023 #7
If tRump wins again he will be able to take control of the military by installing over 200 flunkies. gfwzig Aug 2023 #8
Enough with the IFs on that monster, he is going to be lucky if his sentence is single digits per? Brainfodder Aug 2023 #56
I am astonished that there is no way for the senate to put a stop to this nonsense. Bev54 Aug 2023 #9
"This is a dem majority" BumRushDaShow Aug 2023 #15
Perhaps if the dems would forgo their summer recess in order to debate, the Bev54 Aug 2023 #19
You sure the Dems didn't think of that? Hekate Aug 2023 #28
No I am notre, I am wondering why this is allowed to continue. Bev54 Aug 2023 #34
I don't like linking to Politico BumRushDaShow Aug 2023 #29
So they chose to go on holidays, I wonder if Schumer had said we are staying in session Bev54 Aug 2023 #35
It probably wouldn't last long BumRushDaShow Aug 2023 #36
That's exactly what I was thinking, Bev! slightlv Aug 2023 #58
Yes it would hurt them all but then, it is the work for the American People that matters most. Bev54 Aug 2023 #59
Sadly, that's not true. PSPS Aug 2023 #39
But actually any "Rule" can be changed with a simple majority BumRushDaShow Aug 2023 #40
If a Democratic lawmaker was pulling this sort of shit... Paladin Aug 2023 #10
Domestic abusers are all the same. CousinIT Aug 2023 #11
That's it, right there. 2naSalit Aug 2023 #32
This birdbrain could be declared brain dead and Alabama would still elect him. NoMoreRepugs Aug 2023 #12
They wouldn't have voted for him if he weren't brain dead ExWhoDoesntCare Aug 2023 #53
Impeach that traitorous son-of-a-bitch! Martin68 Aug 2023 #13
Let's stop calling him "Senator Tuberville" and replace it with "Coach," LastLiberal in PalmSprings Aug 2023 #14
Schumer's got this. aeromanKC Aug 2023 #16
How do you figure? maxsolomon Aug 2023 #31
The "holds" basically force going through a "regular process" BumRushDaShow Aug 2023 #50
Republicans want to destroy everything. ificandream Aug 2023 #17
Putin needs all the friends he can get. Turbineguy Aug 2023 #18
We got to kick this asshole out of the senate. Initech Aug 2023 #20
I can't speak my feelings for this person on this site. The Unmitigated Gall Aug 2023 #21
start pulling troops out of alabama bases moonshinegnomie Aug 2023 #22
Every federal dollar that can be removed should be. NCjack Aug 2023 #25
With Republicans there's always a bigger asshole liberalmediaaddict Aug 2023 #23
Move every military base to a blue district/blue state. James48 Aug 2023 #24
Stop sending federal money toAlabama bases. James48 Aug 2023 #26
Putin would like that. former9thward Aug 2023 #51
Disgusting racist Tuberville thinks he's showing a Black SecDef who's boss Mysterian Aug 2023 #27
that's probably part of it but I think there's more to it than that LymphocyteLover Aug 2023 #43
He does understand this is going to cost him dearly in 2026 jmowreader Aug 2023 #33
Will he have a GQP Primary opponent? maxsolomon Aug 2023 #38
Reassign Navy construction / maintenance contracts LastDemocratInSC Aug 2023 #37
So Senate Republicans are completely powerless to hold him to account? And Dems can't change these LymphocyteLover Aug 2023 #42
So Alabamans are completely OK with this??? LymphocyteLover Aug 2023 #44
Democrats should run on this. avebury Aug 2023 #45
Biden mocked Tuberville today during a "Bidenomics" speech, for BumRushDaShow Aug 2023 #55
Good Luck to Finding a Way Around Cha Aug 2023 #48
Tuberville wants to be the Secretary of Defense from Alabama, Department of abortions. Sessuch Aug 2023 #49
Biden should send out letters HariSeldon Aug 2023 #54
How does anything in congress get done if 1 can put a halt to things THIS easily? Brainfodder Aug 2023 #57
Disgusting act to sour some people on a Presidency. Brainfodder Aug 2023 #60

temporary311

(959 posts)
1. Abortion is just the excuse.
Wed Aug 9, 2023, 01:07 PM
Aug 2023

Last edited Wed Aug 9, 2023, 05:02 PM - Edit history (1)

They're holding those promotions so they can be dished out to traitors who will side with them in the next coup attempt.

AltairIV

(1,005 posts)
2. Idiot.
Wed Aug 9, 2023, 01:08 PM
Aug 2023

Being the stupidest man in the Senate he has absolutely no clue what the double.digit loss in Ohio portends for his ilk.

 

brush

(61,033 posts)
6. Must be an IQ limit for republican pols...I mean with Tuberville, MTG...
Wed Aug 9, 2023, 01:15 PM
Aug 2023

Gaetz, Grassley, Boebert etc. inhabiting the halls of Congress and infecting them with their foolisness, we're in big trouble.

And it they get trump back in, I'll have to consider becoming an ex-pat somewhere.

gfwzig

(149 posts)
8. If tRump wins again he will be able to take control of the military by installing over 200 flunkies.
Wed Aug 9, 2023, 01:20 PM
Aug 2023

abortion is a red herring,,, tRump will need the top military to back him when he declares martial law...

Brainfodder

(7,781 posts)
56. Enough with the IFs on that monster, he is going to be lucky if his sentence is single digits per?
Wed Aug 9, 2023, 09:59 PM
Aug 2023

Bev54

(13,208 posts)
9. I am astonished that there is no way for the senate to put a stop to this nonsense.
Wed Aug 9, 2023, 01:24 PM
Aug 2023

This is a dem majority, there must be something that can be done, one man should never have the ability to hold the country hostage.

BumRushDaShow

(165,899 posts)
15. "This is a dem majority"
Wed Aug 9, 2023, 01:55 PM
Aug 2023

There would need to be a carve-out of the Rules.

The issue really comes down to the fact that they usually do stuff like this "by unanimous consent". They will literally have a big list of names for whatever - in this case - "promotions", and then there's a motion "asking for unanimous consent" to (blah blah fill in the blank) and then "asking if there are any objections", and 99% of the time, no one is even in the chamber to respond, so there's no objection, and the list is approved "unanimously".

But that 1% of the time you have the Cruzes or Lees or Lankfords or now Tuberville, who will "object" and then start slowing down the process to literally demand a period of debate and a vote on each and every individual named on the list.

Bev54

(13,208 posts)
19. Perhaps if the dems would forgo their summer recess in order to debate, the
Wed Aug 9, 2023, 02:22 PM
Aug 2023

republicans would soon convince Tuberville to relent?

BumRushDaShow

(165,899 posts)
29. I don't like linking to Politico
Wed Aug 9, 2023, 02:48 PM
Aug 2023

but I read an article from them earlier that basically said that option was there but they all left until September.

GOP splits further over Tuberville’s military blockade as it stretches through summer

The Alabama Republican’s abortion protest now seems likely to last more than six months, putting some of his colleagues in an increasingly tough spot over national security concerns.


By Burgess Everett and Olivia Beavers

07/31/2023 04:30 AM EDT

(snip)

The Alabama senator refused to allow any of the more than 250 stalled military promotions to quickly advance, retribution for the Defense Department allowing paid leave for abortions. Democrats, who could have called individual votes on the nominations over the August recess, ultimately decided it was the GOP’s responsibility to convince Tuberville. That didn’t happen, the Senate left for five weeks, and the Republican’s nearly five-month hold appears almost certain to stretch into September.

(snip)

https://www.politico.com/news/2023/07/31/gop-military-blockade-abortion-00108765


So I think this is coming down to a battle of wills and what is "right" - Democrats are not backing down from supporting abortion rights. After that OH vote, it only increases the pressure on the GOP to get off that issue and the next couple weeks. some will be putting their fingers in the wind to see which way the sentiment is running. The media is freaking out because they want a "horse race" and the abortion issue is messing up their narrative - where I still see some of them bemoaning about the fact that the issue "is not fading" as they predicted.

We know certain red states are intransigent but then other red states are not when it comes to Roe and referendum after referendum after referendum continue to underscore this. This is really highlighting those "silent Republicans" who sit back and defer to the loons for local and state elections, but there are certain subjects that ARE getting their attention and access to abortions IS one of those issues. And this is especially because we know that some of the loudest GOP loon elected officials have either had abortions themselves or have had spouses/family members who have had them, while they yell and scream and stomp their feet while waving around a bible that they have never really opened, and read.

Bev54

(13,208 posts)
35. So they chose to go on holidays, I wonder if Schumer had said we are staying in session
Wed Aug 9, 2023, 03:54 PM
Aug 2023

until this is done, how long would it last before everyone said fuck this and it ended?

BumRushDaShow

(165,899 posts)
36. It probably wouldn't last long
Wed Aug 9, 2023, 04:03 PM
Aug 2023

They might have prioritized the highest positions but I think they are trying to put a spotlight on the so-called "supporters of the military" party and highlight how they don't give a damn about the military and instead put what they dub as "social issues" as more important.

I posted the below in the USPS thread - https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=3112061

I think one of the issues here - as you may have been seeing with the Tuberville "hold" on the military promotions - is scheduling.

If you look at the priorities and what the confirmations are that need to be done, you have (nowhere near includsive because it's not even including some vacancies in the U.S. Attorneys offices) -

(1) Federal judges (lifetime appointment)
(2) USPS Board of Governors (term-limited appointment)
(3) NLRB (term-limited appointment)
(4) FCC (term-limited appointment)
(5) military promotions (normally approved by unanimous consent but blocked to require individual debate/vote)

which would you prioritize for debate and vote first?

(this is what Schumer is up against)


This is the conundrum. Using up what time you have to get lifetime appointees in or getting to the promotions. They also have to get the Farm Bill done and the rest of the appropriations bills (or pass a C.R. and they are having to deal with a bunch of loons in the House).

slightlv

(7,438 posts)
58. That's exactly what I was thinking, Bev!
Wed Aug 9, 2023, 11:16 PM
Aug 2023

You can't touch their salaries. You can't touch them monetarily at all, it seems. But killing their August recess by making them stay and go through the full process of okaying these promotions... one by one... through the August recess... wouldn't hurt any else. Nothing else had been scheduled to be addressed during this period, of course.

It would hurt each and every one of the politicians, tho... because it means they couldn't hit up their donors personally in rallies, etc. They couldn't do campaigns, large press gatherings, or whatever else they normally do during an August recess in a electoral season. THAT would hit them where they live. I'd bet after having to go through the first few, they'd find a way to either group them together or tell Tuberville where to get off.

Bev54

(13,208 posts)
59. Yes it would hurt them all but then, it is the work for the American People that matters most.
Wed Aug 9, 2023, 11:52 PM
Aug 2023

PSPS

(15,218 posts)
39. Sadly, that's not true.
Wed Aug 9, 2023, 04:29 PM
Aug 2023

Just like what Prop 1 in Ohio would have done, the US Senate already works like this:

Scoreboard:

Democrats: 59
Republicans: 41

So Republicans win!

This particular instance is even worse where a single person can prevent anything from getting a floor vote. And, even if that weren't the case, senators representing as little as 11% of the population can block any legislation. It's the US version of Pretoria 20 years ago.

BumRushDaShow

(165,899 posts)
40. But actually any "Rule" can be changed with a simple majority
Wed Aug 9, 2023, 04:37 PM
Aug 2023

But as long as you have 2 people (a (D) and an new " (I) " who caucuses with the (D)s)) who refuse to do carve-outs for the cloture Rule, then it's more like -

(Most) Democrats + 2 (I)s: 49
Everyone else: 51

So Republicans win!

Paladin

(32,303 posts)
10. If a Democratic lawmaker was pulling this sort of shit...
Wed Aug 9, 2023, 01:27 PM
Aug 2023

...there would be nation-wide rioting in the streets. trump and his goons would see to that. Tuberville needs to pay for this sorry attack on the military.

CousinIT

(12,263 posts)
11. Domestic abusers are all the same.
Wed Aug 9, 2023, 01:34 PM
Aug 2023

They KILL or DESTROY anything/anyone to maintain CONTROL over the target of their abuse (in this case, US women & girls). They often kill the target or anyone/anything else that interferes with their control over the target.

They don't care. CONTROL is the only objective.

 

ExWhoDoesntCare

(4,741 posts)
53. They wouldn't have voted for him if he weren't brain dead
Wed Aug 9, 2023, 06:49 PM
Aug 2023

A corpse can win there with an (r) by its name on the ballot.

14. Let's stop calling him "Senator Tuberville" and replace it with "Coach,"
Wed Aug 9, 2023, 01:49 PM
Aug 2023

Like, "Hey Coach, why do you want to destroy your own team? Do you want to throw the game to the opponent? Is that what you want to do, Coach?"

aeromanKC

(3,822 posts)
16. Schumer's got this.
Wed Aug 9, 2023, 01:55 PM
Aug 2023

He's letting Tubberville hang himself (and the crickets GOP)

It will backfire on Tubbs et. al.

maxsolomon

(38,206 posts)
31. How do you figure?
Wed Aug 9, 2023, 02:56 PM
Aug 2023

Can he not continue the holds until the end of this Congress in 2025?

BumRushDaShow

(165,899 posts)
50. The "holds" basically force going through a "regular process"
Wed Aug 9, 2023, 06:22 PM
Aug 2023

of debate and a vote instead of just doing a "unanimous consent" as is normally done with these. So with 200+ of them, that means setting aside some "x" amount of time for debate, "equally divided", and going through them all one by one, with a vote on each.

Of course the preferable thing is to save that time to confirm federal judges or to fill some of the vacancies for Commissions and Boards.

Am thinking it might be possible to get some Rule through where they could be debated/voted on "in batches" rather than individually if he keeps this up, and they can't do it by "unanimous consent" (at least for those in the lower ranks).

ificandream

(11,702 posts)
17. Republicans want to destroy everything.
Wed Aug 9, 2023, 02:09 PM
Aug 2023

This game by Tubby is just a small part of that. That's why all of us must #VoteBlueEveryElection.

Initech

(107,478 posts)
20. We got to kick this asshole out of the senate.
Wed Aug 9, 2023, 02:23 PM
Aug 2023

I knew he was bad when he was endorsed by Fox News.

liberalmediaaddict

(998 posts)
23. With Republicans there's always a bigger asshole
Wed Aug 9, 2023, 02:27 PM
Aug 2023

Tuberville is just the latest and one of the dumbest.

If you vote one extremist Republican out or they retire they're always got someone worse waiting in the wings.

That's why watching Republicans on the House and Senate committees is unbearable. These people are unqualified and have no respect for the country they represent.

James48

(5,095 posts)
24. Move every military base to a blue district/blue state.
Wed Aug 9, 2023, 02:29 PM
Aug 2023

The President has complete authority under the Constitutionto decide where our bases and where our soldiers live.

I think it’s time to close everything in Tuberville’s Alabama, and move it to a blue state.

James48

(5,095 posts)
26. Stop sending federal money toAlabama bases.
Wed Aug 9, 2023, 02:34 PM
Aug 2023

Alabama Military Bases :
Maxwell-Gunter Air Force Base.
Montgomery Regional Airport (Dannelly Field) ...
Anniston Army Depot.
Fort Rucker.
Redstone Arsenal.
Aviation Training Center Coast Guard Base.


Close them all, move the troops to blue states.
The President has control of where troops are. He can order them to go to blue state bases.

F around and find out, Tubberville.

Mysterian

(6,179 posts)
27. Disgusting racist Tuberville thinks he's showing a Black SecDef who's boss
Wed Aug 9, 2023, 02:38 PM
Aug 2023

That's what this is all about.

LymphocyteLover

(9,385 posts)
43. that's probably part of it but I think there's more to it than that
Wed Aug 9, 2023, 05:09 PM
Aug 2023

like fucking over Biden's control over the military, and trying to get Trumpy people in charge.

jmowreader

(52,908 posts)
33. He does understand this is going to cost him dearly in 2026
Wed Aug 9, 2023, 03:30 PM
Aug 2023

It is going to be VERY easy for both his Republican primary opponent and the Democrats to paint him as anti-military - definitely not something you can get around in Alabama.

LastDemocratInSC

(4,213 posts)
37. Reassign Navy construction / maintenance contracts
Wed Aug 9, 2023, 04:05 PM
Aug 2023

that haven't yet begun to shipyards in other states.

LymphocyteLover

(9,385 posts)
42. So Senate Republicans are completely powerless to hold him to account? And Dems can't change these
Wed Aug 9, 2023, 05:08 PM
Aug 2023

rules without Repubs?

It's freaking insanity!

avebury

(11,186 posts)
45. Democrats should run on this.
Wed Aug 9, 2023, 05:22 PM
Aug 2023

If members of the military want a fully functioning military with opportunities then the need to vote Democrat.

BumRushDaShow

(165,899 posts)
55. Biden mocked Tuberville today during a "Bidenomics" speech, for
Wed Aug 9, 2023, 08:33 PM
Aug 2023

opposing the infrastructure money and then "celebrating" AL's share of it.

Cha

(316,924 posts)
48. Good Luck to Finding a Way Around
Wed Aug 9, 2023, 06:03 PM
Aug 2023

the Tupberhead!!

I Hope the Military Knows Exactly who's Dong this to them.

TY

HariSeldon

(536 posts)
54. Biden should send out letters
Wed Aug 9, 2023, 08:24 PM
Aug 2023

Letters to every military officer (you know, those people whose job is leading those who train to use firearms for their job?) on the list of promotions Tuberville is blocking, explaining that their nomination for promoted rank has been made, but that Tuberville has blocked every attempt to obtain Senate consent for the promotions. Also, the letter should explain why caving to Tuberville would severely hamper readiness and recruiting, and that our nation's enemies couldn't ask for much more if Tuberville were a bought agent. End with "Nevertheless, we must all uphold our oaths to defend the nation from all threats, foreign or domestic."

If Republicans can play the stochastic terrorism game, so can we.

Brainfodder

(7,781 posts)
57. How does anything in congress get done if 1 can put a halt to things THIS easily?
Wed Aug 9, 2023, 10:01 PM
Aug 2023

I heard many times that Mitch was holding up hundreds of votes on new legislation.

Brainfodder

(7,781 posts)
60. Disgusting act to sour some people on a Presidency.
Thu Aug 10, 2023, 12:59 AM
Aug 2023

All on this bad person, BAD BAD BAD PERSON!

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