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BumRushDaShow

(165,861 posts)
Thu Oct 5, 2023, 10:02 AM Oct 2023

It's not the "glass ceiling" holding women back at work, new analysis finds

Source: CBS News

October 5, 2023 / 7:26 AM


The struggle women face landing senior leadership roles in corporate America is commonly blamed on the "glass ceiling" — the metaphorical gender barrier that blocked their ascent to the highest levels of management. Yet new research indicates that the problems for women in the workforce begin far lower down the professional ladder.

Women early in their careers are far more likely to stumble on a "broken rung," or failing to get a promotion out of their entry-level jobs at the same rate as men, according to a new study from consulting firm McKinsey & Co. and Lean In, the nonprofit started by former Meta Chief Operating Officer Sheryl Sandberg.

For every 100 male employees promoted from entry-level jobs to managerial roles, only 87 women received a similar promotion, according to the report. The broken rung is even harder to surmount for women of color, with only 73 receiving that first promotion for every 100 men who are moved up, the study found.

That failure to climb the ladder isn't due to lack of ambition, with the survey of 27,000 workers finding that women have the same goals for advancing their careers as men. But bias may play a role, with corporate leaders often promoting young male employees on their potential, while young women are judged more by their track records — a tougher standard when female workers are just starting in their careers.

Read more: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/women-workforce-promotion-broken-rung-mckinsey-lean-in/



Link to McKinsey study is here (PDF).
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It's not the "glass ceiling" holding women back at work, new analysis finds (Original Post) BumRushDaShow Oct 2023 OP
K&R brer cat Oct 2023 #1
Interesting analysis. Rings very true. The ladder given to women has a missing rungs and other Martin68 Oct 2023 #2
Is this not nocoincidences Oct 2023 #3
The poster above you summed it this way: CrispyQ Oct 2023 #8
Glass Ceiling Easier to break if you can get to it. Captain Zero Oct 2023 #23
Just a different metaphor for the same issue imaginary girl Oct 2023 #11
women don't even reach the "glass ceiling" DBoon Oct 2023 #13
Glass ceiling or broken rung, it's still PoindexterOglethorpe Oct 2023 #4
Renaming sad reality. we can do it Oct 2023 #9
An outhouse by any other name justaprogressive Oct 2023 #10
Yes indeed. Magoo48 Oct 2023 #15
I would suggest... 2naSalit Oct 2023 #5
I believe there may be an innate bias against women by decisions makers who assume that men Lonestarblue Oct 2023 #6
I don't believe the bias against women is intentional in today's age GregariousGroundhog Oct 2023 #12
It's fucking called institutional sexism Novara Oct 2023 #16
Yes! Preach it. EmmaLee E Oct 2023 #20
It's not a glass ceiling, it's a selective bottleneck. nt eppur_se_muova Oct 2023 #7
Great phrase. It's also a "sticky floor", "broken rungs", and a "glass ceiling". SharonAnn Oct 2023 #14
I all of it is part of the glass ceiling and for POC it's worse. live love laugh Oct 2023 #17
"But bias may play a role" kinda says it all. sinkingfeeling Oct 2023 #18
The older I get the more it becomes apparent that girls/women have walkingman Oct 2023 #19
Bias against women permeates all levels of the workplace dlk Oct 2023 #21
This message was self-deleted by its author ymetca Oct 2023 #22

Martin68

(27,083 posts)
2. Interesting analysis. Rings very true. The ladder given to women has a missing rungs and other
Thu Oct 5, 2023, 10:07 AM
Oct 2023

obstacles all the way up.

nocoincidences

(2,465 posts)
3. Is this not
Thu Oct 5, 2023, 10:12 AM
Oct 2023

just anther way of describing the "glass ceiling"?

Can someone explain to me how this is different from the glass ceiling?

Maybe I woke up too early, cranky, thick-headed grumble grumble

CrispyQ

(40,686 posts)
8. The poster above you summed it this way:
Thu Oct 5, 2023, 10:29 AM
Oct 2023

The ladder given to women has a missing rungs and other obstacles all the way up.

This is a more accurate analogy, IMO but glass ceiling works.

imaginary girl

(1,001 posts)
11. Just a different metaphor for the same issue
Thu Oct 5, 2023, 10:56 AM
Oct 2023

The ladder reflects the impact sexism has throughout a person's career, while the glass ceiling implies it keeps women out of top jobs. Imo.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(28,459 posts)
4. Glass ceiling or broken rung, it's still
Thu Oct 5, 2023, 10:12 AM
Oct 2023

systematic discrimination against women. And persons of color.

2naSalit

(100,078 posts)
5. I would suggest...
Thu Oct 5, 2023, 10:15 AM
Oct 2023

That "all of the above" would be more of a realistic finding. It's the same as racism in that way, always lurking beneath the surface where somehow only those who are privileged can't see it... or choose not to see it.

Lonestarblue

(13,233 posts)
6. I believe there may be an innate bias against women by decisions makers who assume that men
Thu Oct 5, 2023, 10:21 AM
Oct 2023

need to be promoted because they are supporting families while women are just secondary earners looking to supplement a husband’s income. Many years ago I worked in such an organization, and I had hoped that such thinking was long dead, but that may not be so, especially in businesses where patriarchal men hold sway.

GregariousGroundhog

(7,593 posts)
12. I don't believe the bias against women is intentional in today's age
Thu Oct 5, 2023, 11:01 AM
Oct 2023

There probably exist some counter examples, but I suspect the bias against women is generally unconcious and unintentional. In particular, I suspect many people in positions of leadership unconciously feel an affinity to people who think and act like themselves. I'm sure it can be corrected for by creating boards that look at blind packets for hiring/promotion/termination decisions, but that also inserts its own biases. For example, the employee seeking promotion may be passed over for a new position because they and/or their supervisor are not effective writers, even though persuasive writing has nothing to do with the new position being sought.

Novara

(6,115 posts)
16. It's fucking called institutional sexism
Thu Oct 5, 2023, 12:04 PM
Oct 2023

And yes, it is intentional. It's a product of the patriarchy and it will not fucking die.

EmmaLee E

(271 posts)
20. Yes! Preach it.
Thu Oct 5, 2023, 12:40 PM
Oct 2023

Did it really say, "Bias may have a role?"

Where do these people come from?

SharonAnn

(14,143 posts)
14. Great phrase. It's also a "sticky floor", "broken rungs", and a "glass ceiling".
Thu Oct 5, 2023, 11:37 AM
Oct 2023

That identifies that women don't have the same opportunities from promotion starting with the day they are hired.

And there are many levels of "glass ceilings" in the ladder to the top.

And this doesn't change the fact that even at the same job level, women are nearly always paid less.

walkingman

(10,356 posts)
19. The older I get the more it becomes apparent that girls/women have
Thu Oct 5, 2023, 12:31 PM
Oct 2023

a completely differents set of obstacles when it comes to career and the workforce that is decades if not centuries old.

We have to do better.

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